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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post

The fact is Apple had a history of including lame to moderate gpus in the workstations. Let alone the iMac.

They can do better. I hope they do. *looks.

The ATI cards seem ok. Offering 'near' (re: outclassed) 8800GT performance for a cheaper price. I can't see how Apple could bung one of them in. I'd probably take it for now.

The next gen gpus are out around July by all accounts. And offering twice the current gpu SLI performance on one card. So. It is a waiting game.

In the meantime, I'm betting Apple shipping an iMac within the month. Gut instinct. And, if they offer something more than a 2600xt but less than a GT? I'm going to get it.

I don't like it either, but you're right - Apple always includes relatively outdated GPUs. ATI cards seem to have better Mac drivers, but they tend to run hotter than the Nvidia equivalents unfortunately. They, of course, can fit a better GPU in the iMac, and I imagine the next revision will have a better GPU in it. But it's always going to be a midrange and/or outdated card in the iMac as long as SJ is at the helm.

That said, I'm buying a 24" next revision if it has a 512MB of VRAM on the GPU. I'd even be fine with a 2600 as long as it had 512MB of VRAM - I've given up gaming on my Mac
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post #82 of 125
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Blah. One more Tuesday and no refresh. I keep wondering why they're waiting - and unfortunately the rational reason is they're just selling off the current models. I'm hoping for something a bit more irrational, and something a bit more... now... so I can buy one. This Mini is getting old.

Well, Apple seems to wait for new Intel goodies to update their computer families (even if that means letting RAM and GPU's get outdated and making the machines pretty overpriced for a few months). And well, let's face it. Penryn only offers improvements in terms of power consumption and heat production. Not that relevant in the iMac (unless that less heat from the processor means more heat allowed from the GPU... hmmmm...). There simply is no point in putting a Penryn in an iMac, unless they go for a more expensive, higher clockspeed model, which they won't.

On the other hand, Intel is pushing toward Penryn and Merom supplies must be running low... Then again Apple sill manages to sell combo drives, they must be getting those from a computer museum.
post #83 of 125
why can't they drop the price of the mini by $100 or move it up a newer chipset / replace it as the last update was just a CPU DROP IN.
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why can't they drop the price of the mini by $100 or move it up a newer chipset / replace it as the last update was just a CPU DROP IN.

I agree.
post #85 of 125
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That said, I'm buying a 24" next revision if it has a 512MB of VRAM on the GPU. I'd even be fine with a 2600 as long as it had 512MB of VRAM - I've given up gaming on my Mac

Yeah. Another example of penny pinching from Apple. The 512 MB version also cost well less than a £100. So WHY include 256 megs of ram on a machine costing upto £1500?

*Shakes head.

At least give us the OPTION of added a 512meg version or a better GPU.

You can go from £1000 - £1500 and STILL have the same Radeon Pro card.

EH?

It's the lack of options. There aren't 14 GPU makers anymore. There's only Ati and Nvidia of note. So at least give a choice of a couple of current cards?!?

I sez it before and I sez it again. Give me a quad 2.4 gig, 30 inch, 9600 GPU version. I buys it. Easily done. Eazee. (Just add up the cost of the parts...) Because there's nothing 'extreme' about the iMac 'Extreme' version...

I'd at least like the option of the new Nvidia 9600GT. It's on a new process. So it should run cooler and it performs just as well as a 8800GT.

Lemon Bon Bon.

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post #86 of 125
SJ != Options
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post #87 of 125
I hate to say it but looking at the power dissipation of the 2600 vs the 9600 GT I can't image that happens any time soon (the 9600 uses approx twice the power). Looking at the teardown photos of the current iMac I can't imagine they have much wiggle room for heat in there unless they add some screaming fans (they're already using heat pipes).
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post #88 of 125
When the updated imac is finally released with a slight speed increase and slightly larger hard drive, how much will the price drop on the current version? I have been waiting for the update but am now wondering if I should just get the current 2.4 24" model once the newest version comes out. I have this version at work and it is great. I can definitely pass on the latest version if this one comes discounted.
post #89 of 125
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I hate to say it but looking at the power dissipation of the 2600 vs the 9600 GT I can't image that happens any time soon (the 9600 uses approx twice the power). Looking at the teardown photos of the current iMac I can't imagine they have much wiggle room for heat in there unless they add some screaming fans (they're already using heat pipes).

Unfortunately correct, the 9600GT is not a GPU that will be able to go in computers with limited cooling capacity. And the 9500GT is a direct replacement for the 8500GT; it doesn't look like it will be a very good card. Certainly not better than the 8-series midrange.

There will be a 9600GS, with a significantly reduced clockspeed from the GT, perhaps it will run cooler. Or maybe the iMac's cooling capacity is not as limited as it appears.
post #90 of 125
I have a feeling they're coming next week. It just seems right.
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post #91 of 125
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When the updated imac is finally released with a slight speed increase and slightly larger hard drive, how much will the price drop on the current version? I have been waiting for the update but am now wondering if I should just get the current 2.4 24" model once the newest version comes out. I have this version at work and it is great. I can definitely pass on the latest version if this one comes discounted.

Hmm. Hate to be the bearer of bad news here but Apple doesn't usually drop prices on older models (Apple doesn't drop prices on anything in the store really).. Neither do any of the resellers I've visited. I suppose they just don't need to - people buy the older ones either because they don't know new models are coming or they just don't care, & when the inventory dries up the new ones are sitting ready to go onto the shelves.
Your best bet for saving cash is probably a refurbished model from Apple or a third party selling one (eBay etc.).

I'm sure someone will jump in promptly and correct me if I'm wrong about this, but that's my understanding of it.

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post #92 of 125
I was curious about the price drop because I am at a University and thus get the education discount. I bought the 15" 2.4 MBP for $2299 a few weeks before the update and now they are selling the version I bought for $1599. This is a significant price reduction. I'm hoping the same thing will happen with the imac.
post #93 of 125
Actually, Apple does drop the price of the no-longer-current models of its hardware in order to clear inventory. It is called "Fire Sale." When the next iMac/Mac mini (nano) comes out, call up your nearest Apple Store and ask about discounted prices on previous models (that are "old" by merely a day).

Most of the time, however, the new model released has features/added speed/RAM/HD space, etc. that basically makes it worth the price difference between it and the discounted "older" model.



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Hmm. Hate to be the bearer of bad news here but Apple doesn't usually drop prices on older models (Apple doesn't drop prices on anything in the store really).. Neither do any of the resellers I've visited. I suppose they just don't need to - people buy the older ones either because they don't know new models are coming or they just don't care, & when the inventory dries up the new ones are sitting ready to go onto the shelves.
Your best bet for saving cash is probably a refurbished model from Apple or a third party selling one (eBay etc.).

I'm sure someone will jump in promptly and correct me if I'm wrong about this, but that's my understanding of it.

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post #94 of 125
Reminder me to start posting my paypal account information for those in your "predicament" with hot money!


Enjoy your new iMac! (May 6 is my guess)


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Anyone else have any news on the imac update? I'm all set to buy a 24" imac but don't want to buy the current version just to have the newer line come out the following Tuesday. This $$$ is burning a hole in my pocket!
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post #95 of 125
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It is called "Fire Sale."



Oh my God, we're having a fire...sale!
post #96 of 125
here we go again - another week, and another build up of whether or not the iMac range will be updated. I can't believe after years of thinking should I, I finally decide yes, only to be hit with the promise of updates coming soon - and that was about 10 weeks ago ...

*crosses fingers*

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post #97 of 125
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Originally Posted by monkeyleader View Post

here we go again - another week, and another build up of whether or not the iMac range will be updated. I can't believe after years of thinking should I, I finally decide yes, only to be hit with the promise of updates coming soon - and that was about 10 weeks ago ...

*crosses fingers*

Nige

I'm in the same boat as you - but I get the feeling it's going to be June
post #98 of 125
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I'm in the same boat as you - but I get the feeling it's going to be June

Me too. And I'm getting frustrated.

If it was June, I could handle it. It's the not knowing...



Hello all, btw - been lurking for a while, but the frustration got to me...
post #99 of 125
So why are Apple so secretive about their product updates. Why can't they just say XXX product will be updated in XXX.

Other manufacturers at least give you an idea on updates, but Apple always seem to say quiet until the very last minute..

Dam annoying ..

I dont need an exact date, but some idea would be nice ..
post #100 of 125
Where would the fun be in that?

Store is down. I said I had a good feeling!

We'll see shortly.
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post #101 of 125
Nope, final cut server shipping.

Well, there's always next week!
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post #102 of 125
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If it was June

Well. I had a thought.

There's ANOTHER 'laptop' cpu bump and motherboard revision circa June.

Not only THAT, but the next, the TRUE 'next gen' parts from Ati and Nvidia are imminent.

Ergo? Wouldn't make sense to update the iMac now when those parts are only two months away?

ie if the iMac was to be updated then it should have been a month or so ago with the Macbook/Macbook Pro.

Apple may as well hang on for 7 weeks.

Lord knows that the better GPU and CPU/M/b config' will be worth it?

It would be a significant upgrade.

If they can't bring GT class gpu update now? Why bother. Wait until June for Ati's next gen. Plus new processor frequencies upto 3 gig?

I'd take that. What do you guys thinks?

Lemon Bon Bon.

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WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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post #103 of 125
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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post

Well. I had a thought.

There's ANOTHER 'laptop' cpu bump and motherboard revision circa June.

Not only THAT, but the next, the TRUE 'next gen' parts from Ati and Nvidia are imminent.

Ergo? Wouldn't make sense to update the iMac now when those parts are only two months away?

ie if the iMac was to be updated then it should have been a month or so ago with the Macbook/Macbook Pro.

Apple may as well hang on for 7 weeks.

Lord knows that the better GPU and CPU/M/b config' will be worth it?

It would be a significant upgrade.

If they can't bring GT class gpu update now? Why bother. Wait until June for Ati's next gen. Plus new processor frequencies upto 3 gig?

I'd take that. What do you guys thinks?

Lemon Bon Bon.

I completely agree. I think it's highly unlikely we'll see anythign before June. Suits me, I've waited this long, may as well wait another couple of months.
post #104 of 125
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I completely agree. I think it's highly unlikely we'll see anythign before June. Suits me, I've waited this long, may as well wait another couple of months.

Right, I'll spend my money on a new car... or a PS3.... or a TV.... or maybe hire an exotic, dusky maiden to pamper me six ways from Thursday (or whatever the Yankee vernacular is).

I will NOT buy a new (or refurb'd) iMac. So there - howdya like them Apples, Steverino, eh?
post #105 of 125
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Originally Posted by monkeyleader View Post

So why are Apple so secretive about their product updates. Why can't they just say XXX product will be updated in XXX.

Other manufacturers at least give you an idea on updates, but Apple always seem to say quiet until the very last minute..

Dam annoying ..

I dont need an exact date, but some idea would be nice ..

Since Apple doesn't want to tell what product is coming out, why couldn't they say, "On such and such a date, there will be a 'new arrival' "without revealing what it will be.
That would like knowing that on your birthday, you'll get a present but won't know what it is. At least we could look forward to a specific date.
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post #106 of 125
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Right, I'll spend my money on a new car... or a PS3.... or a TV.... or maybe hire an exotic, dusky maiden to pamper me six ways from Thursday (or whatever the Yankee vernacular is).

I will NOT buy a new (or refurb'd) iMac. So there - howdya like them Apples, Steverino, eh?

Haha. (I gotta get me one of them dusky maidens!)
Well you might not get a new iMac, but I will Steve... I will.

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post #107 of 125
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Since Apple doesn't want to tell what product is coming out, why couldn't they say, "On such and such a date, there will be a 'new arrival' "without revealing what it will be.
That would like knowing that on your birthday, you'll get a present but won't know what it is. At least we could look forward to a specific date.

Because then it'd be pretty easy to guess which line was being upgraded each time.
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post #108 of 125
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Haha. (I gotta get me one of them dusky maidens!)
Well you might not get a new iMac, but I will Steve... I will.

Jimzip

Yes, I'll be getting one too....Especially since I am still editing wedding day films on a ....GULP....5-year old flat-panel 1 Ghz iMac 2 maxed out with 1 GB of RAM....
post #109 of 125
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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post

Lord knows that the better GPU and CPU/M/b config' will be worth it?

It would be a significant upgrade.

If they can't bring GT class gpu update now? Why bother. Wait until June for Ati's next gen. Plus new processor frequencies upto 3 gig?

I'd take that. What do you guys thinks?

Lemon Bon Bon.

With no iMac now I'd have to agree that they'd be stupid to not to wait for Nehalem if it's going to be in the June timeframe. It seems really weird to have an integrated memory controller in their consumer line before their pro line, but it wouldn't be completely out of character and I'd sure love to get the new architecture rather than the old one.

I just hope the increased price of CPUs from Intel translates into an excuse to keep prices current, and they don't try to actually raise the price of the higher end models.

If they go with Nehalem I would expect only the top end to be quad core, and I would hope at least that one model will have a GPU with 512MB of VRAM. It supports DDR3 - but does anyone know how much (for the mobile variant)?
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post #110 of 125
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If they go with Nehalem I would expect only the top end to be quad core, and I would hope at least that one model will have a GPU with 512MB of VRAM. It supports DDR3 - but does anyone know how much (for the mobile variant)?

I'm not sure about the DDR3 for the mobile variant, but you virtually can be assured that at least one model will come with 512 MB of VRAM.

As for the 20 inch model, I'd love to see Apple offer an improved screen. The 24 inch screen is gorgeous, but the 20 incher at full brightness seems luridly washed out. Adjusting the screen's brightness only makes the screen darker and more opaqueno help.
post #111 of 125
I don't think it's Nehalem based. Those won't arrive until 2009?

It's another Penryn/laptop derivative chip. Slightly higher chip speed. Slightly higher m/b speed. It's going into the Mac Book Pro. I presume Apple will use it for the next iMac.

I just think it would be silly to update now when Intel's next 'bump' is weeks away.

AND the all important GPU updates...which will run cooler and faster?

Lemon Bon Bon.

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post #112 of 125
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I don't think it's Nehalem based. Those won't arrive until 2009?

Indeed. Desktop Nehalem CPUs are due in the third quarter of calendar 2008, but the iMac uses laptop chips. Nehalem versions of these aren't due until early 2009.

It's possible Apple are waiting for the Montevina laptop motherboard chipset update before touching the iMac.
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post #113 of 125
That makes sense. Bummer about Nehalem - I was trying to find a good roadmap and never did find one. That's the switch that will actually give a performance boost. The faster FSB of the Montevina isn't something to turn down, but Santa Rosa vs Penryn is basically a wash unless you're using SSE 4 and that new FSB isn't going to help things a whole lot. Nehalem on the other hand...

Maybe one way to look at it is that with Nehalem we'd be back to a Rev A product so at least with Penryn we'll be dealing with a machine that has had time to work out the kinks. That's what I'm going to keep telling myself at least.

Does Nehalem do away with the 4GB RAM limit (even though we're not getting it yet)? That and the GPU are my two biggest hesitations at this point about buying an iMac (the screen running a close third, but with the 24" it's a better panel even if there are people having issues still).

Edit to add: I wonder if the heat we're saving by moving to Penryn we'll lose by the faster FSB. That could have been one big bonus of the switch - the added headroom for a better GPU.
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post #114 of 125
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That makes sense. Bummer about Nehalem - I was trying to find a good roadmap and never did find one. That's the switch that will actually give a performance boost. The faster FSB of the Montevina isn't something to turn down, but Santa Rosa vs Penryn is basically a wash unless you're using SSE 4 and that new FSB isn't going to help things a whole lot. Nehalem on the other hand...

Maybe one way to look at it is that with Nehalem we'd be back to a Rev A product so at least with Penryn we'll be dealing with a machine that has had time to work out the kinks. That's what I'm going to keep telling myself at least.

Does Nehalem do away with the 4GB RAM limit (even though we're not getting it yet)? That and the GPU are my two biggest hesitations at this point about buying an iMac (the screen running a close third, but with the 24" it's a better panel even if there are people having issues still).

Edit to add: I wonder if the heat we're saving by moving to Penryn we'll lose by the faster FSB. That could have been one big bonus of the switch - the added headroom for a better GPU.

Q4 2007 Penryn for Workstations/Servers/High-end desktops (MacPro)
Q1 2008 Penryn for Desktops (except Apple)
Q2 2008 Penryn for Mobiles Montevina chipset (everything Apple except Mac Pro, MBA)
Q3 2008 LV/ULV/QC Penryn on Montevina (MacBook Air, high-end iMac?)
Q4 2008 Nehalem for Workstations/Servers/High-end desktops (MacPro)
Q1 2009 Nehalem for Desktops (except Apple)
Q2 2009 Nehalem for Mobiles Calpella chipset (everything Apple except Mac Pro, MBA)
Q3 2009 LV/ULV Nehalem on Calpella (MacBook Air)
Q4 2009 32nm Westmere for Workstations/Servers/High-end desktops (MacPro)
Q1 2010 32nm Westmere for Desktops (except Apple)
Q2 2010 32nm Westmere for Mobiles (everything Apple except Mac Pro, MBA)
Q3 2010 LV/ULV 32nm Westmere (MacBook Air)
Q4 2010 SandyBridge for Workstations/Servers/High-end desktops (MacPro)
post #115 of 125
Perhaps our magic date is drawing near??

They've dropped the refurb prices! Out damn inventory out!


http://www.otechs.com/blog/
post #116 of 125
I want to see signs that the update is imminent as much as the next guy/girl but I am almost 100% sure that the prices on the refurbs have been the same for quite a while. I do not think that those listed currently on the apple site have gone down since I have been watching them.

The upside to all this speculation and anticipation is the slight bit of excitement I get everyday from reading these rumor threads. I'm starting to side with others who have said we won't see an update until June...such a bummer because every day I look at my VAIO desktop I get sad there isn't a shiny 24" imac sitting there. Good thing I have a MBP to get me through these dark times.

Cheers!
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Perhaps our magic date is drawing near??

They've dropped the refurb prices! Out damn inventory out!


http://www.otechs.com/blog/

The refurbs at the Apple store have not changed, they're the same price they have been for the past few weeks.
No updates till June
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The refurbs at the Apple store have not changed, they're the same price they have been for the past few weeks.
No updates till June

I'm less concerned with the date of the update than I am with the quality of the 20" screen. If they use a better screen with the next refresh, I'll be more than satisfied.
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Yes, I'll be getting one too....Especially since I am still editing wedding day films on a ....GULP....5-year old flat-panel 1 Ghz iMac 2 maxed out with 1 GB of RAM....

Oh - haha.. It's, um, a classic!

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Oh my God, we're having a fire...sale!

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Actually, Apple does drop the price of the no-longer-current models of its hardware in order to clear inventory. It is called "Fire Sale." When the next iMac/Mac mini (nano) comes out, call up your nearest Apple Store and ask about discounted prices on previous models (that are "old" by merely a day).

Most of the time, however, the new model released has features/added speed/RAM/HD space, etc. that basically makes it worth the price difference between it and the discounted "older" model.

Really? The only time I've seen discounted prices in an Apple store was when they were clearing floor models.. (Gots me a G4 powerbook!) I'll have to give my powers of observation a tune-up. Thanks for pointing it out!
Here's a nice little article for those, like me, who wish to learn more about these elusive 'fire sales'...
http://arstechnica.com/journals/appl...2006/6/30/4500

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The refurbs at the Apple store have not changed, they're the same price they have been for the past few weeks.
No updates till June

sorry, I'll go whip my fact-checkers. The referenced site posted that just the other day, guess they were aiming for getting some extra hits. We all know if it's on the internet it's true right?
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