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Bottom line for DL is this. Many users purchased DL 1.x thinking this is a very cool and useful application. It wasn't. Not by a long shot.

If DL 2.0 doesn't fix the outstanding issues of 1.x, the product won't sell well.

Your bottom line is incorrect. It was both a cool and useful application, and version 2 will do quite well.

Those of us that got DL1 as part of MacHeist made, as Howie says, a pretty sweet deal.
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post #42 of 90
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OMG! My house just burnt down, and I need a list of assets for the insurance company!

To that end, an "Other" category that let me add my own photos and data would be nice. I tried using the home inventory component of Quicken and even tried making my own database in AppleWorks. Bento looks like it might work, but I'd prefer not have to create my own software.

Also, when my new MacBook Pro arrives I had been planning on getting DL, mainly due to the positive reviews it gets. But I'm a bit disappointed to read the comments here about it being tied only to Amazon. When I was gathering album art for my CD collection in iTunes I got a very low hit-rate looking up my CDs on Amazon. And I expect the hit-rate on books would be even worse as many of my books are older than 20 years, and no longer available for sale (on Amazon).

But on a positive note, the article stated: "Early builds attempted to present metadata, star ratings, reviews, and other details in a Leopard iCal-style bubble that popped up for each item (below top). In the latest builds, the interface has been reworked to display related information in an adjustable third pane similar to Mail (below bottom)."

At least that proves that the DL folks are smarter than Apple's iCal programers!
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What I want to know is why is this application taking so long to come out....

Not a big development team and Apple keeps on recruiting their developers. Good software take more time and effort to develop than you realise.
post #44 of 90
I would also suggest taking a look at Booxter which will keep track of your books, music, movies, and comic books.

It's been around for many years, has just been updated with a lot of powerful features, and is available right now. It can also import from Delicious Library, so if you are a current Delicious Library user, you can download Booxter and try it out.
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How slow is iTunes for you? I have about 40,000 tracks in my library and it's an exercise in futility to edit ID3 tags or copy new music into the library. SLOW SLOW SLOW.

Who was the genius at apple that decided that a flat XML file was the ideal solution to keeping track of a library?

OMG, what are you doing all day and night?

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Do you have a problem with AI expanding it's content to include previews and reviews?

Sebastian

Not at all. I have a problem with expanding coverage and being paid for it without disclosure. Are you familiar with the term "conflict of interest"? It's something that "journalists" are concerned about. Otherwise, it's just advertising.

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Only 40,000 tracks? Try 55,000 plus here....I'm using my iMac G5 2.0 GHz with only 512 memory and it seems to move along pretty quick. Will be upgrading to 2 GB memory soon so that should really help.

Audiopollution, Feynman, are you guys on LastFM? I'd be curious to see what you've scrobbled.

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I use Books from Aetherial Software, not for the books I own, but to keep a running list of the half-dozen books I find in the bibliography of every book I read that I'd like to read. I find out if they're in any of the four library systems I can use, and if they are, add them to the list. The list will of course grow and grow until I die, but it means I can always find something!

It can autofill publication data and cover art from the Library of Congress, The British Library, The University of Sydney, Amazon (USA, UK, & Japan,) Amicus (Canada,) Bibsys (Norway,) Det Koninglige Bibliothek, NCL Taiwan, The Royal Library of Sweden, SBN OPAC (Italy,) The National Library in Warsaw, & Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam. And it's free!

The only annoyance is that I have to keep two lists: One for Seattle and one for everybody else, since Seattle and King County use different call numbers for the same book a lot of the time, and there'd be too many dupes. I thought these things were supposed to be standardized!
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Assuming that AI was paid for the preview, but let's not jump to conclusions now. Software developers and other craft workers often give sites and journalists an exclusive to try and increase interest, AI benefits by having a story that no one else does, not by being paid to publish it.

Sebastian

I don't know about this particular case, since there is no link to purchase. This does not necessarily mean that money has not changed hands.

There have been numerous 'articles' from AI that have links to Amazon to make a purchase, and the links are part of an affiliate program that pays AI. This has never been disclosed in an article. Never. A simple disclosure (for example, including the words "paid link", or "advertisement") would do wonders for the credibility of this site.

I doubt the veracity and motivation of every featured story here otherwise. Again, I'm not the author of the stories and it's not my web site, but any and all attempts at achieving journalistic authenticity, especially for a largely rumor-based site, fall flat.

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I don't know about this particular case, since there is no link to purchase. This does not necessarily mean that money has not changed hands.

There have been numerous 'articles' from AI that have links to Amazon to make a purchase, and the links are part of an affiliate program that pays AI. This has never been disclosed in an article. Never. A simple disclosure (for example, including the words "paid link", or "advertisement") would do wonders for the credibility of this site.

I doubt the veracity and motivation of every featured story here otherwise. Again, I'm not the author of the stories and it's not my web site, but any and all attempts at achieving journalistic authenticity, especially for a largely rumor-based site, fall flat.

Hey SpamSandwich,

I'm just curious. Where do you normally get reviews from? Newspapers? Magazines? Other internet sites?

OMG (mock surprise) - have you noticed that they have ads in those? Have you noticed that there is never anything in there about a company that makes the product or the company that sales the product isn't mentioned in the review but the ad might appear on the same page. OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! (mock surprise - think of that kids that in the movie that slaps his hands onto the sides of his face).
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Hey SpamSandwich,

I'm just curious. Where do you normally get reviews from? Newspapers? Magazines? Other internet sites?

OMG (mock surprise) - have you noticed that they have ads in those? Have you noticed that there is never anything in there about a company that makes the product or the company that sales the product isn't mentioned in the review but the ad might appear on the same page. OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! (mock surprise - think of that kids that in the movie that slaps his hands onto the sides of his face).

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Objectivity
-Unequivocal separation between news and opinion. In-house editorials and opinion (Op-Ed) pieces are clearly separated from news pieces. News reporters and editorial staff are distinct.
-Unequivocal separation between advertisements and news. All advertisements must be clearly identifiable as such.
-Reporter must avoid conflicts of interest — incentives to report a story with a given slant. This includes not taking bribes and not reporting on stories that affect the reporter's personal, economic or political interests. See envelope journalism.
-Competing points of view are balanced and fairly characterized.
-Persons who are the subject of adverse news stories are allowed a reasonable opportunity to respond to the adverse information before the story is published or broadcast.
-Interference with reporting by any entity, including censorship, must be disclosed.



Any site that features stories with the intention of generating income based on products or services are, plain and simple, promotion, not news.

The above are a few of the basics of good journalism. By not following these basics, you run an advertising site, not a credible news (or even 'rumor' site). Learn something. You can't have it both ways. You're either a credible news site, with a reputation worthy of being quoted by "mainstream" news organizations, or you're a shill receiving kickbacks without disclosure.

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post #56 of 90
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So for that, AI fails since they have an economic incentive (ads everywhere) to draw more people to the website. Oh well, guess it's been like that from day one eh? Remember, this is an exclusive and exclusives are offered to websites to create more hype around the product and sites accept to draw more people towards their websites. I suppose if Delicious Library 2 is given a good review you're going to complain about how Daniel and AI are a bunch of shills.

Sebastian

Is it understood by the viewing public that by simply including a link at the end of an article that a financial incentive exists for publishing the article? Of course not.

If you make money from a link (as a legitimate source of journalism) then disclose it. Otherwise, just place an ad on the site. It's a conflict of interest, and it's dishonest.

If you write an article, and you're compensated by the company of the product featured, disclose it. Anything else is "pay for play".

Tell me you expect more from your 'news' sources. Give me a break.

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post #57 of 90
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The only annoyance is that I have to keep two lists: One for Seattle and one for everybody else, since Seattle and King County use different call numbers for the same book a lot of the time, and there'd be too many dupes. I thought these things were supposed to be standardized!

The reason why the call numbers are different (I'm assuming you are referring to LOC call numbers) is that each library has the option to create there own. In most cases this is because of the nature of their collection. For example, the seminary library in which I work probably catalog's theology books far different than a public library. We insert extra cutter numbers in the middle of the call number to help us distinguish between books. This is necessary when a library has hundreds or even thousands of books on the same subject. Generally the difference between a standard LOC Call Number and a local number is just the addition of a cutter, but sometimes they can be drastically different. It does stink sometimes... but at least it is better than dewey...
post #58 of 90
Well if it weren't for AI, MR, TUAW, etc. I honestly don't know where I'd find about programs like this. I though the preview of an upcoming release was interesting. It wasn't like it was a direct cut/paste of a press release like you see on engadget or gizmodo. I really don't get all the angst.

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post #59 of 90
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The reason why the call numbers are different (I'm assuming you are referring to LOC call numbers) is that each library has the option to create there own. In most cases this is because of the nature of their collection. For example, the seminary library in which I work probably catalog's theology books far different than a public library. We insert extra cutter numbers in the middle of the call number to help us distinguish between books. This is necessary when a library has hundreds or even thousands of books on the same subject. Generally the difference between a standard LOC Call Number and a local number is just the addition of a cutter, but sometimes they can be drastically different. It does stink sometimes... but at least it is better than dewey...

No, I'm talking about drastically different Dewey Decimal classifications. They'll differ over how many places they carry the numbers all the time, but frequently the number is completely different. Why one or the other doesn't use the number on the copyright page, I have no idea.

Fortunately, none of them use the Library of Congress system, which as far as I can tell is completely random!
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Well if it weren't for AI, MR, TUAW, etc. I honestly don't know where I'd find about programs like this. I though the preview of an upcoming release was interesting. It wasn't like it was a direct cut/paste of a press release like you see on engadget or gizmodo. I really don't get all the angst.


It's simple. Do you want reporting, or do you want advertising disguised as reporting?

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post #61 of 90
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It's simple. Do you want reporting, or do you want advertising disguised as reporting?

I believe Kasper contacted you regarding the DL 2.0 article.

It is not a paid story.
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I believe Kasper contacted you regarding the DL 2.0 article.

It is not a paid story.

I've responded to Kasper. I only ask that you review my comments seriously.

I have the best interests of this site in mind and it will only improve the journalistic integrity of the reporting, regardless of where one falls on the issue of compensation.

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Not at all. I have a problem with expanding coverage and being paid for it without disclosure. Are you familiar with the term "conflict of interest"? It's something that "journalists" are concerned about. Otherwise, it's just advertising.

Spam, I already sent you a polite note on this. AppleInsider never accepts money for the content it produces. Please just drop it cause you're starting to sound foolish, and at this point you're irritating a lot of people for no good reason -- including myself as a publisher, Prince who spend countless hours authoring the piece, and the forum administrators who have to keep defending AppleInsider against false accusations.

We though DL was one of the better examples of a native Mac OS X application and sought out details on the future version ON OUR OWN because we thought readers would find it interesting. Obviously, as you have proven, not everyone enjoyed it. But we can't please everyone with every single piece.

Having to monitor this thread and your constant accusations is taking away time from producing new content, which is not in the best interest of AppleInsider and its readers. I'm really not sure what else to tell you short of suggesting you contact a representative of Delicious Monster if you fail to take my honest to god word for it.

None of us who work hard on AppleInsider every single day of our lives appreciate this.

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AppleInsider never accepts money for the content it produces. Please just drop it cause you're starting to sound foolish. We though DL was one of the better examples of a native Mac OS X application and sought out details on our own because we thought readers would find them interesting.

Please stop spreading false information. None of us who work hard on AppleInsider every single day of our lives appreciate this kind of nonsense.

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I am not in the business of spreading false information. Let's continue this conversation via private message Kaspar. I already responded to your comment since audiopollution notified me that one had been sent to me, and I think this should be addressed off the forum.

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Thanks to everyone for taking what should have been a private conversation, em, er, ah, eh, well... private.

To the guys at AI, I appreciate the original content and all your efforts, keep up the good work!

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post #66 of 90
I first downloaded DL the day it was released, and I got an iSight camera because of it. However, I quickly stopped using the iSight for adding books and music to my library because it is simply a lot easier to drag Amazon URLs and links onto the DL screen. Whenever I place an order with Amazon, I just open the order summary page, launch DL and drag everything over.

Has anyone seen Shelfari? It's a new social networking website for booklovers - significantly funded by Amazon. The look and feel are incredibly similar to Delicious Library.
post #67 of 90
There were a couple of comments wondering if the Pedias or other cataloging software can use bar code scanners.

Bar code scanners are nothing more than specialized input devices like the keyboard. If you set your cursor on any input field in any database that will accept numbers, pressing the button and scanning the bar code will result in the numbers represented by the bar code being inserted in that field. That's it.

The next step, though, is how the application acts on those numbers. DL and many other cataloging application will query whatever remote database (such as Amazon) and will insert the returned data in the appropriate fields. All the Pedias work fine with scanned bar codes as does such applications as Booxter.
post #68 of 90
I had to laugh at the post that questioned why anyone would want to stare at pictures of his collection of tools in DL.

As another poster replied, it's always a good idea to have some kind of inventory of your personal effects in case the house burns down.

I'm much too lazy to go around typing in data about the stuff we've accumulated over the years. I use a digital camera and store the images on one of those remotely-hosted storage sites.

I'm a 65+ old goat and I find that iTunes does the job perfectly. I tend to have a lot of classical and jazz tracks, which are much longer than the standard 3 minutes, so I'll note that my iTunes library is over 40 days' playing time. I don't see why I need to have a second database for my music.

I like Bookpedia for a variety of reasons, including the super-terrific support I got from Bruji when I was trying to set up an online store.

For DVDs I set up a simple Filemaker database that has just four fields: Movie title, library location, online info (a link to the iMDB if I want to get more info, and a picture field for the DVD cover.

OTOH I can see where DL would fill the needs of others. I tried it out a couple of years ago and found it to be quite a nice application, just not one that would work best for me.
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As its name suggests, DL2 exists to organize your stuff into libraries. It automatically discovers songs, videos, and audiobooks from your iTunes library (and keeps this information in sync with any changes made within iTunes), but you can also add physical media such as CDs in standard jewel cases or paper cartons, DVDs, Blu-Ray, HD DVD, UMD, 7" and 10" vinyl, XBox, XBox 360, Wii, and Playstation 3 video games and other software titles, or even your gadget hardware, tools, toys, and apparel.

While I recognize that 7" vinyl records (45s) were a popular form of the medium, 12" LP records were equally popular. Yet no mention of them as a category...
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Disappointed that DL2 (and similar software) doesn't have features to support DVD rentals, like priority queues.
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While I recognize that 7" vinyl records (45s) were a popular form of the medium, 12" LP records were equally popular. Yet no mention of them as a category...

12" LP records were already part of DL1. Just not 7" or 10".
post #72 of 90
Only two more days left in March. I wonder if it will be released by then. Sure hope so. No sign of an official announcement from them, but that's nothing new.
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Only two more days left in March. I wonder if it will be released by then. Sure hope so. No sign of an official announcement from them, but that's nothing new.

I was just thinking that...
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Well, did they say *which* March??

*Think* guys, *think*!

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Well, did they say *which* March??

*Think* guys, *think*!


Believe me, the thought occurred to me.
post #76 of 90
Well it's official. April is here and no update. Dang it.
post #77 of 90
You'd have thought they'd warn us not to expect it.
Hope this doesn't go the same way as cha-ching 2...
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post #78 of 90
Do not worry, it will get released. This is the same guy that started The Omni Group and they put out some very good software.
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Do not worry, it will get released. This is the same guy that started The Omni Group and they put out some very good software.

I still don't buy into it. I was totally jazzed for Dl 1 when it was originally rleased, and bought it straight away. But I think I may have played around with it for a few days before just getting bored with it's lack of actually doing anything good.

I'll point out that I live in Australiaso the fact that we don't have our own Amazon limited the fun of the thing, none of the bar codes that were scanned ever worked. I really do think that DL 2 isn't going to be anywhere near as popular as the original. The negative word about the product is out now as well.
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I still don't buy into it. I was totally jazzed for Dl 1 when it was originally rleased, and bought it straight away. But I think I may have played around with it for a few days before just getting bored with it's lack of actually doing anything good.

I'll point out that I live in Australiaso the fact that we don't have our own Amazon limited the fun of the thing, none of the bar codes that were scanned ever worked. I really do think that DL 2 isn't going to be anywhere near as popular as the original. The negative word about the product is out now as well.

I have a library of over 1800 movies almost all entered using the bluetooth barcode scanner. It took me a couple of days to do, would've taken a couple of weeks manually.

I don't know how "fun" this program is but it very USEFUL to me.

I'm looking forward to the update not for the new things you can catalog, but hopefully a speed boost and some of the new sharing features.
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