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Originally Posted by phasornc View Post

...it would be really nice if Apple could tie it all together from my Apple remote so I wouldn't have to read websites and use a keyboard to watch tv.

If Steve REALLY wants to make a gadget with massive cross-generational market appeal, then Apple needs to finally invent the be-all, end-all Universal remote for mixed home theatre & computing environments.

Then again, 50% of the market couldn't use it effectively, and it may destroy millions of marriages...

(Fire extinguisher poised) JUST KIDDING about the marriage thing... guys will someday catch up to how to channel surf.
post #42 of 68
phasornc - I'm in exactly the same situation as you (except I have a work laptop pc for netflix). Combining services it is possible to access a decent - though not great - selection of tv and film. Plugging/unplugging in laptops to my tv is a pain as is searching through different services and delivery mechanisms to find what I want.

It is perfectly obvious once you have experienced this way of doing things - even in its current crippled state - that on demand access to back catalogs and current/new releases is the way media will be in the future (with the option of ad-supported or pay to not watch ads) and it reveals the complete ignorance and short-sightedness of the old tv/film companies that they continue to resists it - despite the lessons they could have learned from the music industry.

I have no doubt that the next step will be the industry bemoaning freefall DVD sales and falling tv ratings and blaming net piracy - when in fact, as with the music industry, it will be a problem of their own creation.
post #43 of 68
man, i would LOVE to rent some movies on my aTV...but alas i'm kinda boycotting the thing until they fix what's amounted to a huge new glitch in itunes & QT...

ever since i upgraded to QT 7.4 and itunes 7.6.1 my audio has gone on complete fritz. massive stuttering that, at times, affects the entire system...up to & including flash in any browser, audio on QT video files, itunes audio...and even the sound effect that pops up when you're raising or lowering the volume on the machine.

the support threads at apple.com are all abuzz with tons of people having the same issue.

probably couldn't find a bigger apple fan than me...but until that issue's ironed-out and i'm able to get back to normal with my itunes, i'm not shelling out any more dough...
post #44 of 68
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Originally Posted by robgreene View Post

Anyone bother to do the math?
When browsing MOVIES:
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That comes in just under 1,500 movies, almost 50% MORE than the 1,000 promised, and 100% MORE than the writer is giving them credit for. And I'd bet that if we go back and watch the keynote, there was something in Jobs' wording that left open the possibility that 1,000 would be available, but not yet available for rent, by this point.

As others have pointed out, Apple rightly lists their films as multiple genres. There is an All Movies option to check below that that will list 37 pages with 21 films on each page save for the last page.

I wish iTunes was robust enough to allow for multiple genres for my content without having to resort to Smart Playlists and using the Comments section. For example, I'd like to have all 80's music music listed as a "1980s" genre, all music within a set year listed as a genre, a "Bllboard Top 40s" genre, A number "Number 1s" genre, as well as all the regular genres they fall into like Pop, Rock, etc.

PS: i'd also like teh album covers that are copied to iDevices to be higher quality. The covers in the iPhone's Coverflow are highly reduced in quality.

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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

If I am not mistaken the whole 'Apple TV Take 2' thing was pushed back several weeks after the initial Mac World announcement. Therefore it seems reasonable to assume all related dates may well be pushed back by a similar time frame.

That is a good point. While they don't seem to be connected, if Apple is able to get to 1000 titles by mid march then I think many will forget about this.

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Good one
Of course Dell doing so well these days, I see they are second in higher education ...

Perhaps I'm just a d!¢k, but if I were Jobs I'd wait until Dell could be purchase on the cheap and then actually close it's doors and give the money back to its shareholders.
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post #45 of 68
I've only rented "Priate of the Carribean- At World's End"- HD and was not impressed. Visually it was very dark and not very HD looking at all. Has anyone else rented this? Do all HD titles look like this? If so I won't be renting more. Does anybody have an HD title that they highly recommend renting? I would like to check out another one. Any recomendations?
post #46 of 68
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

I've only rented "Priate of the Carribean- At World's End"- HD and was not impressed. Visually it was very dark and not very HD looking at all. Has anyone else rented this? Do all HD titles look like this? If so I won't be renting more. Does anybody have an HD title that they highly recommend renting? I would like to check out another one. Any recomendations?

Matrix Revolution looked great on my set - you're not the only one to complain about Pirates...
post #47 of 68
simply go to the iTunes store, select "Power Search" then use the pull-down menu on the left to select "Movies" - keep the ratings selection at "All Ratings" and check the box that says something like "Only show rentals" (I'm not on a computer with iTunes loaded right now - but I'm pretty sure that's correct)

You'll get a list of all available rental movies in blocks of 150 - last count there were 3 pages with something totalling a little over 400 but I haven't checked in a few days.

Maybe someone can check and let us know what it's really up to now.
post #48 of 68
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When an antagonist in a movie uses a Mac to bring down a government... Apple takes the fall.
When the US government purchases Xserves for use in Iraq... Apple was accused of starting the war.

Seriously? I call BS.
post #49 of 68
I hope apple pulls it together. Lately they seem to overestimating the delivery date on almost everything.
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post #50 of 68
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simply go to the iTunes store, select "Power Search" then use the pull-down menu on the left to select "Movies" - keep the ratings selection at "All Ratings" and check the box that says something like "Only show rentals" (I'm not on a computer with iTunes loaded right now - but I'm pretty sure that's correct)

You'll get a list of all available rental movies in blocks of 150 - last count there were 3 pages with something totalling a little over 400 but I haven't checked in a few days.

Maybe someone can check and let us know what it's really up to now.

If you go to the All Rentals category on the front movies page in iTunes, it will show pages in blocks of 21 movies (7x3). Right now there are 14 pages, which puts it at under 300 movies available for rent by that count. Counting All Movies - including those only available for purchase and not for rent - gives you 38 pages, which is just under 800.
post #51 of 68
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Originally Posted by Porchland View Post

Seriously? I call BS.

I call BS, too. Or perhaps he was just kidding.
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post #52 of 68
Guys if we are also talking strictly Apple TV rentals, Apple is still under 500 movies according to our count over at www.appletvjunkie.com. This is HD and SD. And just as Appleinsider states in the article, a lot of the HD movies are at least 20 years old. Or Apple does what they did today and add crap like American Pie 2 in HD. Just want I was waiting for.
post #53 of 68
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Originally Posted by pmoeser View Post

Correct me if I'm wrong, but surely the number of titles available will be dictated by the content owners (studios) being tardy in supplying the titles to Apple?

This hardly tarnishes Apple. This is evidence that the studios are once again telling the consumer how they are to use their hard-earned for poor return.

The current 24hr model has so many holes in it.

Criticise the studios who provide the content, not the system that is trying to deliver it (making money for all along the way)

If the studios were to blame, then how did Amazon get ten thousand titles available for download, as the article says?

Blame the studios for the 24 hour limit (all services have the same thing), but if apple has far fewer download rentals than anyone else, I don't see how that's anyone's fault but apple.

I assume it's a negotiation issue and not an encoding issue, apple can't just go and start ripping DVDs with handbrake, the hard part is negotiating the rights to all the movies (since the studios obviously haven't agreed to blanket agreements of big numbers of films yet).

I'm surprised apple is this far off, I thought I read a week or so ago that they were up to about 700 rentals...guess that was wrong.
post #54 of 68
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

If the studios were to blame, then how did Amazon get ten thousand titles available for download, as the article says?

Blame the studios for the 24 hour limit (all services have the same thing), but if apple has far fewer download rentals than anyone else, I don't see how that's anyone's fault but apple.

I assume it's a negotiation issue and not an encoding issue, apple can't just go and start ripping DVDs with handbrake, the hard part is negotiating the rights to all the movies (since the studios obviously haven't agreed to blanket agreements of big numbers of films yet).

I'm surprised apple is this far off, I thought I read a week or so ago that they were up to about 700 rentals...guess that was wrong.

So you blame Apple because they didn't give in more with the negotiations? Amazon also has a complete DRM catalog whereas does not. That is not Apple's choice.
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post #55 of 68
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If you go to the All Rentals category on the front movies page in iTunes, it will show pages in blocks of 21 movies (7x3). Right now there are 14 pages, which puts it at under 300 movies available for rent by that count. Counting All Movies - including those only available for purchase and not for rent - gives you 38 pages, which is just under 800.

For reasons unknown to me movies (and music, for that matter) take a while to show up on those pages. I always use "power search" to look for items as it will often show up items not listed elsewhere that are indeed available.
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If this were a Japanese company Steve would step down or commit Seppuku.

There's no way that would happen...there's currently a huge shortage of proper knives for this as Toshiba's bought them all up.

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post #57 of 68
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There's no way that would happen...there's currently a huge shortage of proper knives for this as Toshiba's bought them all up.

He could just use the edge of a MBA.
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post #58 of 68
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He could just use the edge of a MBA.

They're selling out apparently. His only chance may be a new iPhone with 3G that's only .09" thick.
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post #59 of 68
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So you blame Apple because they didn't give in more with the negotiations? Amazon also has a complete DRM catalog whereas does not. That is not Apple's choice.

Well, I definitely blame apple for making a promise before the deals were signed. To the consumer, selection is important. Nobody really cares about "giving in more", the product with less selection is less appealing. If apple is going to enter this market, they need to *compete* in this market, not make excuses.
post #60 of 68
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

Well, I definitely blame apple for making a promise before the deals were signed. To the consumer, selection is important. Nobody really cares about "giving in more", the product with less selection is less appealing. If apple is going to enter this market, they need to *compete* in this market, not make excuses.

Wow, do we actually agree on something. From the info we have, I don't blame Apple for not reaching their stated goal as we don't know what actions they could have taken to reach them; but I do blame them for making a statement that they did not deliver on. They have been late on so many things recently. I much prefer the Apple that projected a timeline and then delivered ahead of it.
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post #61 of 68
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Originally Posted by slate1 View Post

Matrix Revolution looked great on my set - you're not the only one to complain about Pirates...

Thanks for the recommendation. Is there a website where you saw the other complaints? Do they have reviews of other rentals' quality, etc on there?
post #62 of 68
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Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post

Hear! Hear!

The article should be corrected.

If AppleInsider's previous effort on Apple TV is any indication, it won't be corrected. AI has limited understanding of home theater, so I would take any home theater related AI articles with a grain of salt.
post #63 of 68
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

Well, I definitely blame apple for making a promise before the deals were signed. To the consumer, selection is important. Nobody really cares about "giving in more", the product with less selection is less appealing. If apple is going to enter this market, they need to *compete* in this market, not make excuses.

I don't know what deals were signed. Do you?
post #64 of 68
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Whether this a problem on Apple's end or reneging by the content providers (as the number of total movies was just over 800 at one point) this makes Apple look bad,

Indeed. Apple is failing quite badly on actually getting the content into it's iTunes store. What goes for movies goes five times over for music. They are very very lucky that even with all the bad press and people jumping on their every mistake lately, that no one in the press seems to have tumbled to this yet.

Consider for instance their promise to add things to the International stores, they have failed quite miserably on this front. In Canada there are no movies at all and only a few TV shows, almost all of which are actually from the USA. It's pretty clear that Apple has failed to convince any of the Canadian networks and media owners to actually put content into the store. CBC has put up a few (mostly failing) shows to see if they can drum up interest but that's it.

Consider also the DRM fiasco. We heard last year that EMI was going DRM free, but the majority of their iTunes catalogue is still infested with it. As someone who refuses to buy DRM'ed music I check the iTunes store every single day for new iTunes Plus music. Guess what? It doesn't show up at all. Since last year, all that has been added is a handful of really awful and/or promotional titles from obscure bands that need a boost. The music companies are still holding out on any of their main holdings.

Despite all the cool new technology, if Apple can't get some content in the store they will be in trouble the day some enterprising reporter decides to notice the fact and publicise it. So far they have been saved by the fact that there is a *trickle* of things in the US store, but all it will take is a reputable foreign source to make an issue out of it and Apple will look foolish big time.
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post #65 of 68
I think it's more than possible that the studios promised enough titles to fulfill that prediction, and now are dragging their feet to make Apple look bad, while giving sweetheart deals to Amazon, et. al.
post #66 of 68
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Originally Posted by BRussell View Post

If you go to the All Rentals category on the front movies page in iTunes, it will show pages in blocks of 21 movies (7x3). Right now there are 14 pages, which puts it at under 300 movies available for rent by that count. Counting All Movies - including those only available for purchase and not for rent - gives you 38 pages, which is just under 800.

The Power Search method seems to work better. I count just over 400 (I think it was 150+149+118).

My "video system" at home currently consists of an 800x600 projector, Directivo (not HD), DVDs via my Macbook, and downloaded video via my Macbook.

I'm seriously considering dropping the Directv and going with Apple TV. I would lose live TV, but gain all that time I normally spend flipping channels hunting for something worthy to watch. In other words, I'd be forced to watch less TV, which is a good thing.
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I don't know what deals were signed. Do you?

No, I didn't say I did.

I'm not sure what your point is. Apple made a forecast, they shouldn't have made it until things were official (in whatever way they had to be official) and they knew they could meet it.

They counted their chickens before they hatched, to use the old cliché.

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I think it's more than possible that the studios promised enough titles to fulfill that prediction, and now are dragging their feet to make Apple look bad, while giving sweetheart deals to Amazon, et. al.

That's definitely possible. But assuming that's the case, apple should have known better than to make public promises based on studio "promises" made without a solid commitment (with consequences) to back them up.

It's just common sense not to make promises where delivery is contingent on third parties cooperating.
post #68 of 68
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

No, I didn't say I did.

I'm not sure what your point is.

You said they should have signed the deals before making the announcement. Unless you know what deals they signed, you don't know if they did, or didn't, sign the proper deals first. That's all.

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Apple made a forecast, they shouldn't have made it until things were official (in whatever way they had to be official) and they knew they could meet it.

And no doubt they had good reason the believe they would meet their forecast.

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They counted their chickens before they hatched, to use the old cliché.

This is the same problem they had with IBM, when they also forecast that we would get 3 GHz processors in a yeareven before a year. There's also no doubt that IBM assured them that it would happen, but it didn't. Every processor manufacturer got burned on 90 nm.

These things happen.

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That's definitely possible. But assuming that's the case, apple should have known better than to make public promises based on studio "promises" made without a solid commitment (with consequences) to back them up.

It's just common sense not to make promises where delivery is contingent on third parties cooperating.

We don't know the consequences of the failure of the studios to have a sufficient number of films available. There could be penalties.

I do agree that is was a mistake to "promise" the number they did. I would have said that Apple hoped to have that number available by the end of February.
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