Originally Posted by THT
Just wanted more clarification on what are major and minor revisions to you, and what version numbering means to you. I presume the only the way to get you excited for a major revision is a 5+ MP camera/HD camcorder using a gigantic image sensor with optical zoom, optical image stabilization, and a really bright flash.
Seriously though THT, it's obvious that a revision that brought 3G and absolutely no other changes would be 'major'. I don't think that's the only
thing Apple needs to do, however. And honestly, would you be terribly put out if the camera on the 3G iPhone did indeed approach the quality and features of the best cameraphones? No, i didn't think so.
On the revision cycles, as before, it is really premature to say that Apple won't revise the iPhone or have other model lines of cell phones; and, I think it isn't really true that cell phone maker update their phones every 3 to 6 months. It's 6 to twelve months at best for each cell phone line,
Yeah, I agree. Which is why I previously said I think revisions occur every 6 to 12 months on cellphone models.
Is 3G a major revision? Considering the ~10% 3G user-base penetration in Europe and something much much less in the NAM, it speaks to how valuable it is to people the current market.
Well, not exactly. More like "10% and climbing rapidly"... most forecasts have 3G penetration in Western Europe reaching 50-70% by 2010. Nor is it evenly spread, either... Italy apparently is already
at 25%. The UK is not that far behind.
Now add to this the iPhone's particular market... the high-end, where customers would definitely expect 3G functionality to be present... and you can see why lack of 3G has been an impediment to Euro iPhone sales thus far.
I do agree with you that 3G is a major feature. It is much much more valuable on the iPhone than on other phones because it is more of a MID than other phones, and therefore would benefit much more from it. So I agree that it's major and I'm waiting for it.
Yeah, me too. You put Safari
on a phone, a giant screen, and a pretty fast cpu, all elements for a great mobile internet device... and then you don't
put 3G in as soon as possible? Utter madness.
Speaking of iPhone storage revisions. I would consider it something more than minor because the iPhone is a music/video device where storage is really needed. Storage is much much more important to iPhone users than it is to Blackberry users, Blackjack users, HTC dujour, the billions of Nokia users, etc.
Good point. I tend to term storage revisions as minor though, because they're just so easy to do. I mean, la de da, lets put a couple more flash ram chips on there, and call it a day. Is the 2GB Shuffle a major revision over the 1GB, with everything else being the same? Many would say no, I'd think, but I can see your point of view too.
Still, I can also see some chucklehead going, "Hey man, I just put a 8GB microSD card into my phone! I just MAJORLY REVISED it! Har har har..."
Unless? What makes you think they won't be?
Because I don't think Apple is utterly dumb. They can see how they're doing in Europe, which is to say, not that good. They know 3G is one of the big factors why that is. They also know price is a major factor too. I can't imagine them ignoring both for a very long period of time... in fact, they've already started to address the price issue, as you can see by the changes in O2 contracts.
We're running in circles. I contend it was pricing of the iPhone and the service.
It was that, and
3G, and a few other things to a lesser extent besides.
The market is big enough to have high end phones specializing in different ways, so I don't think having a high spec camera function would have done much.
My Euro friends appear to disagree with you, as do my multimedia geek US friends. I don't think it matters as much as 3G, but it does seem to matter.
3G capability? Not so sure myself. It's vitally important to have... eventually for everywhere in the world. But this winter, I really don't think it is that big of driver. By this Summer, I think 3G on the iPhone will be absolutely vital with version 2.0 of the OS out.
I think that horse has already left the barn. There's little doubt among most of articles I read and most of the ppl I talk to that 3G is really needed for the iPhone in the European market. And the sooner, the better.
In many ways, the reason why Apple doesn't sell as much in non-NAM countries is because their brand isn't that strong outside of the USA. Improving the brand will be a pretty long term thing for Apple to do, especially in the cell phone market. I'd consider the brand strength to be as big of a factor as prices and features.
I'd say that that same comparative brand-weakness abroad is additional reason to be feature competitive in overseas markets
Apple plays the spec game in a rather unique way as seen in their computer and DAP models. They target the 90% use features and make them as easy and fun to use as possible.
The thing is, Apple is used to walking into markets and dictating the terms... successfully. Look at the iPod. Apple told everyone that certain features were not necessary, and by gumbo, they weren't.
The problem is, the cellphone market isn't the music player market. It's much more established, and there's a lot more competition. People, especially in the more sophisticated markets like Asia and Western Europe, already know
what they want, to a large extent.
But if Apple tries to dictate terms and tell
the market what it should
want, that just isn't going to go over very well. It already hasn't in Western Europe. And can you imagine how badly a 2.5G iPhone would crash and burn in Japan and Korea? Eeyikes.
3G, better functionality, GPS, all those types of things are just part of the long term evolution of the product. As far as camera functionality, well, I think cramming 5+ MP into a camera without the proper sized image sensor and optics, that's a specialization feature to me.
And yet, it sure hasn't hurt cameraphones like the N82 and N95 one whit.
They take some pretty good pics, and plenty of their users seem to appreciate that.
Honestly, there's nothing wrong with the iPhone taking better pictures, having autofocus, a flash, video-recording, etc. It may be 'specialization' to a lot of ppl in the US market, but in Europe and Asia, where they're used to phones having those things, I don't think it's seen that way. And, frankly, I think some of the problem in accurately judging how the iPhone should evolve comes from too many of us having such a "US-centric" view of things.
The most obvious expression of that was how slow many of us were to grasp that, yup, 3G really was important.
I'd be more okay with that 'US-centricness' if the US market was the phone technology leader. But it's not... in fact, the situation is almost exactly the opposite of that. Asia and Western Europe are quite a bit ahead of us in a number of things cellphone-related.
But at least not software, and we have Apple to thank for that bit of good news.