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Discuss: What hardware features should/will iPhone v2.0 have? More flash memory? 3G? GPS? etc...

Discuss What built-in software features should/will be added to iPhone v2.0?
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front facing camera for video chat

voice dialing-speaker independent

3g

firefox and activex (i need that for work)

modem for laptop

gps
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post #3 of 63
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front facing camera for video chat

voice dialing-speaker independent

3g

firefox and activex (i need that for work)

modem for laptop

gps

I think 3G is a pretty certain thing.

As for front facing camera, there is a trade off here: being able to take pictures of other things or being able to take pictures (or video) of yourself. Apple has obvious chosen the former, and I agree.

GPS – It would be great, obviously for maps and direction, but also for some sort of iPod/Nike App for fitness that tracked distance ran, speed, pacing, etc. Now the question is, is GPS cheap enough to include.

Firefox doesn't use ActiveX that I know off... (?) I'm pretty sure FireFox would be available, although it seems to me it would be redundant.

As to modem for laptop, you won't see that but you might see wireless tethering. That's really up to AT&T though.
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I think 3G is a pretty certain thing.

As for front facing camera, there is a trade off here: being able to take pictures of other things or being able to take pictures (or video) of yourself. Apple has obvious chosen the former, and I agree.

GPS – It would be great, obviously for maps and direction, but also for some sort of iPod/Nike App for fitness that tracked distance ran, speed, pacing, etc. Now the question is, is GPS cheap enough to include.

Firefox doesn't use ActiveX that I know off... (?) I'm pretty sure FireFox would be available, although it seems to me it would be redundant.

As to modem for laptop, you won't see that but you might see wireless tethering. That's really up to AT&T though.

Since Firefox is software, it wouldn't be a "feature" for the next hardware version of the iPhone.

If you're talking about the hardware, obviously the next "version" of the hardware is going to be 3G.

If you're talking about the software and sdk thing SJ called version 2.0, well that will have better networking, better chat, more apps and no chance at 3G.

Going to be interesting to track versions.
iPhone version 2.0 with the sdk and better networking, more security and all.
And a 3G phone SJ said was coming later this year.
What's THAT.... iPhone 3.0? (after the sdk iPhone 2.0{software} in June)

Anyone think we could see the 3G announcment timed to coincide with the iPhone 2.0 software update at the end of June?


As far as firefox is concerned, it would be pretty silly on the iPhone.
Let's stick to a browser tuned to the platform.
(and anyone wishing for I.E. just stop right now....)
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If you're talking about the software and sdk thing SJ called version 2.0, well that will have better networking, better chat, more apps and no chance at 3G.

Going to be interesting to track versions.
iPhone version 2.0 with the sdk and better networking, more security and all.
And a 3G phone SJ said was coming later this year.
What's THAT.... iPhone 3.0? (after the sdk iPhone 2.0{software} in June)

Do you realize that you are talking about two completely separate things here? The Software Development Kit and the iPhone Operating System Version 2.0?

The SDK is an extension of XCode. It resides on your Mac and provides the APIs needed to create applications for the iPhone. For an annual $99 fee you can become an iPhone Developer and be able to install and debug code directly on your iPhone. As an iPhone Developer Apple will distribute your application to all the iPhone users, taking a 30% of the purchase price that you set.

The iPhone OS 2.0 resides on the iPhone. This operating system will be required by the iPhone users to access, install and use these new third party applications. Apple also announced that OS 2.0 will have other features and applications to enhance the iPhone for corporate users. No SDK involved or needed.
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I see the GPS comming, I also bet we are going to get like an "istat" version for the iPhone
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I see the GPS comming, I also bet we are going to get like an "istat" version for the iPhone

I also see GPS coming, especially with Apple's emphasis on how the iPhone lets you know "WHERE you are" (refer to the March 6 video). But ultimately it depends on cost and battery life.
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Do you realize that you are talking about two completely separate things here? The Software Development Kit and the iPhone Operating System Version 2.0?

The SDK is an extension of XCode. It resides on your Mac and provides the APIs needed to create applications for the iPhone. For an annual $99 fee you can become an iPhone Developer and be able to install and debug code directly on your iPhone. As an iPhone Developer Apple will distribute your application to all the iPhone users, taking a 30% of the purchase price that you set.

The iPhone OS 2.0 resides on the iPhone. This operating system will be required by the iPhone users to access, install and use these new third party applications. Apple also announced that OS 2.0 will have other features and applications to enhance the iPhone for corporate users. No SDK involved or needed.

That's the point of what I said.
The iPhone 2.0 is what Steve called the next software for the iPhone in June.
People been talking about the 3G phone and calling it the next iPhone.
The firefox comment was software, and that relates to the softrware SJ said was iPhone 2.0
(new os version for the SDK apps to run with)

3G and GPS could only come with new hardware, and as I said, what's THAT.... iPhone 3.0?

So people can talk about the next hardware, GPS, more memory, better camera, 3G.
Or people can talk about the iPhone 2.0 which is an OS update to come out so applications built with the SDK can be deployed.

Talking about the next version of the phone, 2.0 is software and something else is the hardware.

Firefox makes no sense, and it would be software anyway, not hardware.
post #9 of 63
ok so why do i want firefox??? because for work i use citrix + firefox
http://www.citrix.com/site/SS/downlo...s.asp?dID=2755

citrix doesn't work on safari

that would be way cool to do my work with an iphone (i can do it now for the first time with my macbook and don't need windbloz
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It is certainly only software on the Treo. Third party software at that. However, it is a battery hog. Therefore, I tend to use the Plantronics transponder dongle that has its own battery. I expect this solution to work for the iPhone when Belkin delivers the extender so that I can attach the dongle to the iPhone.
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post #11 of 63
Ummmm....

How about a basic feature like picture messaging? Or recording video (albeit low-quality, but it's a phone, afterall)? Or receiving MMS without getting a stupid link in the SMS. I would just like to see my iPhone perform the same functions as the free phone I got before (SMS, MMS, video/audio recording, etc.) As cool as the iPhone is, I just can't believe they didn't put these basic features that free phones come with, and I would be appalled to see them not corrected in the update.
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As for front facing camera, there is a trade off here: being able to take pictures of other things or being able to take pictures (or video) of yourself. Apple has obvious chosen the former, and I agree.

My two-year old Samsung phone's camera swivels, so it works both ways. They could do the same thing on the iPhone 2.0.
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My two-year old Samsung phone's camera swivels, so it works both ways. They could do the same thing on the iPhone 2.0.

Frankly I some times wish that they wouldn't even bother. If they can't come up with a camera that is significantly better then I say rip it out and let us go without. Of course that is a sign that I'm a SLR user but really I can't see how Apple could be proud of the current camera.

As a side note do understand that the potential is there for a significantly better Camera in the iPhone. An incredible amount of research is taking place with respect to tiny cameras for these devices.

Dave
post #14 of 63
Among the GPS and 3G. The iPhone needs to capture video.
post #15 of 63
Yeah definatley. But then again hackers have already made several apps to record video but I think its only 10 seconds max lol Im guessing iphone has the hardware already in place if hackers have unlocked this feature so the current one should recieve this feature soon.
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All the problems I have with iPhone relate to the Mail application. Such as the inability to empty the trash with a single-button tap, an "Empty Trash" button! And the ability to select & delete multiple messages easily from the Inbox. it seems like a feature that's probably/should be there already but I'm yet to discover.

I'd also like to type emails with iPhone in landscape mode to make use of the larger keyboard.

Maybe we'll see these in 2.0?
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post #17 of 63
What we want is pretty much an infinite set of features.

What I want:

Hardware
Larger screen in the same form factor (3.7 inches)
720x480 screen resolution for increased readability of small text
Louder, stereo speakerphone, mainly for more pleasant music/video experience
More microphones for better conferencing
1.5+ Mbit/s HSPA data with EDGE/GPRS backup
802.11a/b/g/n
GPS with Google maps (I don't really care about nav)
Higher capacity battery (obviously needed with new features)
16/32 GB storage (32 probably won't be coming until late 08 though)
2 MP, maybe 3 MP, camera optimized for low-light performance and burst shooting
Noise reducing headphones

Software
Larger 1, 2, 3 finger multi-touch language set (editing features would be included)
File manager with Coverflow, Quicklook
Expose enabled by finger gesture
Better handling of text input for Safari
Scientific calculator (wish granted!)
USB host (with dongle accessory)
Bluetooth file transfer
Games! (wish likely granted)
Spotlight-like search
Safari 3.1 (likely!)
Powerpoint viewer (wish granted!)
Tethered modem


What Apple will ship:

Hardware
3G radio (no-brainer)
32 GB storage (maybe in Nov)
GPS (50%)
3.2+ MP camera (50%)
Not much else

Software
What was announced for iPhone 2.0 during the SDK announcement
Scientific calculator
Powerpoint viewer in Mail
Improved Safari for Webaps (local storage, full screen, etc)
Not much else
post #18 of 63
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Frankly I some times wish that they wouldn't even bother. If they can't come up with a camera that is significantly better then I say rip it out and let us go without. Of course that is a sign that I'm a SLR user but really I can't see how Apple could be proud of the current camera.

I couldn't agree with you more.
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Frankly I some times wish that they wouldn't even bother. If they can't come up with a camera that is significantly better then I say rip it out and let us go without. Of course that is a sign that I'm a SLR user but really I can't see how Apple could be proud of the current camera.

As a side note do understand that the potential is there for a significantly better Camera in the iPhone. An incredible amount of research is taking place with respect to tiny cameras for these devices.

Dave

If you dont like then dont use it. Believe it or not a phone cam can come in handy when you may want to take spontaneous pics here and there. (Flame Removed - JL) Iphone is not an imaging focused phone so why on earth would they be proud of it anyway.
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If you dont like then dont use it.

Just because you don't like the performance of something doesn't mean you wouldn't use it from time to time.
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Believe it or not a phone cam can come in handy when you may want to take spontaneous pics here and there.

The flip side of that is that some places you can't go with a camera phone. The problem with Apples camera is its performance relative to the leading edger phones on the market. Lets face it, the iPhones camera is hardly leading edge.
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Iphone is not an imaging focused phone so why on earth would they be proud of it anyway.

I would hope that Apple would be proud of everything they build. Just as I try to be. There is really little point in building anything you can not be proud of.

Dave
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Just because you don't like the performance of something doesn't mean you wouldn't use it from time to time.

The flip side of that is that some places you can't go with a camera phone. The problem with Apples camera is its performance relative to the leading edger phones on the market. Lets face it, the iPhones camera is hardly leading edge.


I would hope that Apple would be proud of everything they build. Just as I try to be. There is really little point in building anything you can not be proud of.

Dave

If you work in a building which doesnt allow cameras then perhaps you should take that into consideration next time when purchasing a phone.
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Does anyone know if the Firmware 1.2 (2.0) brings BLUETOOTH FILE TRANSFER? And what about MMS and FORWARDING SMS?
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post #23 of 63
Broadcom released a new integrated chip with a lot of features. It's the BCM21551. It's a likely chip for Apple to use. If they do end up using it, the iPhone would have these capabilities at it's disposal:

- HSUPA 5.8 Mbps, 7.2 Mbps HSDPA, and EDGE
- WCDMA for markets outside the US if Apple chooses
- Bluetooth 2.1 EDR
- Up to 5MP camera capabilities
- 30 fps, H.264, MPEG4 video with VGA resolution
- Advanced audio codec support: MP3, AAC, AAC+, eAAC, WMA, AMR-NB, AMR-WB, WB-AMR+
- FM receiver and transmitter
- Integrated ARM11 processor, currently running at 533MHz but can run up to 620MHz
- Supports USBOTG (USB on the go) up to 480Mbps for wireless, non-Wifi, syncing and data transfers.
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that's an interesting approach, look for the most likely candidates for the chip and see what's the potential, what manufacture makes the present iphone chip? do they make a 3g type? who are the top candidates??anything out there integrated, wifi low power?
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post #25 of 63
Everyone please read this article from 9to5mac concerning features that have been discovered in the latest revision of the sdk:

http://www.9to5mac.com/iphone_gets_print_bluetooth_voip

The WWDC 08 can't come quick enough!
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that's an interesting approach, look for the most likely candidates for the chip and see what's the potential, what manufacture makes the present iphone chip? do they make a 3g type? who are the top candidates??anything out there integrated, wifi low power?

I know Apple uses the ARM1176 series from ARM as the CPU and an Infineon S-Gold2 chip that handles the EDGE and multimedia capabilities. And a separate Marvell W8686B13 chip for Wifi access, a separate chip for Bluetooth, a Skyworks SKY77340 chip for GSM/EDGE amplification, a Wolfson Audio processor, and the Micron MT9D112D00STC for imaging. Keep in mind, the Broadcom chip handles almost all that in one chip.

Also, possible leaked photo of the new iPhone:

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ok so why do i want firefox??? because for work i use citrix + firefox
http://www.citrix.com/site/SS/downlo...s.asp?dID=2755

citrix doesn't work on safari

that would be way cool to do my work with an iphone (i can do it now for the first time with my macbook and don't need windbloz

Huh? What are you using Citrix for that you can do on an iPhone?
post #28 of 63
When looking at the above picture, remember this patent.
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I know Apple uses the ARM1176 series from ARM as the CPU and an Infineon S-Gold2 chip that handles the EDGE and multimedia capabilities. And a separate Marvell W8686B13 chip for Wifi access, a separate chip for Bluetooth, a Skyworks SKY77340 chip for GSM/EDGE amplification, a Wolfson Audio processor, and the Micron MT9D112D00STC for imaging. Keep in mind, the Broadcom chip handles almost all that in one chip.

Also, possible leaked photo of the new iPhone:

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That was already debunked on someone else's forum. Its probably a custom paint job by colowarepc. Which by the way will be the company that I buy my mactouch from. Gloss black with candy apple red accents!
post #30 of 63
Didn't you guys read my link? Bluetooth streaming to speakers and printers. Its coming in iphone 2.0.
That right there should make someone happy.
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That was already debunked on someone else's forum. Its probably a custom paint job by colowarepc. Which by the way will be the company that I buy my mactouch from. Gloss black with candy apple red accents!

Yeah, the debunk was debunked as well. Colorware stamps it's logo on everything and has a seam between the top portion and bottom portion like the current iPhone. Plus this phone is more tapered than the iPhone. And lastly, Colorware does not silkscreen the iPhone information on the backs. Unless they are in on the prank.
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Yeah, the debunk was debunked as well. Colorware stamps it's logo on everything and has a seam between the top portion and bottom portion like the current iPhone. Plus this phone is more tapered than the iPhone. And lastly, Colorware does not silkscreen the iPhone information on the backs. Unless they are in on the prank.

So what is this then? Some other kind of custom? Because I know this isn't straight from Apple.
post #33 of 63
One idea was it was a pre-June 2007 iPhone prototype.

It could also be an elaborate hoax. But, why now? 3 days after April 1?

Might also be a real prototype. Apple has been known to put their hardware in alternate casing that is not the final product. Think about it. Apple HAS to have people testing a 3G phone if they are to release one this summer. Either on campus or off.
post #34 of 63
Well, the current nano and keyboards were leaked and most thought they were fake. I'll go out on a limb and say it's real, although the 8 GB might prove it's a fake.
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Well, the current nano and keyboards were leaked and most thought they were fake. I'll go out on a limb and say it's real, although the 8 GB might prove it's a fake.

Unless Apple intend on releasing 8-16-32GB configurations or the 8GB is simply for prototype testing.
post #36 of 63
I've been reading about this pic over at 9to5mac and ipodobserver. Several forum posters have made pretty convincing arguments that this is a fakeroo. Sorry.
post #37 of 63
What's the point of Apple having advanced Bluetooth if they cripple it so damn much!

No sync, no file transfer, no nothing..

I really hate Apple for this..

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Broadcom released a new integrated chip with a lot of features. It's the BCM21551. It's a likely chip for Apple to use. If they do end up using it, the iPhone would have these capabilities at it's disposal:

- Bluetooth 2.1 EDR

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post #38 of 63
I totally agree. BT is near useless on iphone.
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What's the point of Apple having advanced Bluetooth if they cripple it so damn much!

No sync, no file transfer, no nothing..

I really hate Apple for this..

Damit go over to 9to5mac from my link!

Voip and bluetooth streaming to printers! Waitaminute. Look, point is you don't know and I don't know what will be included in the new version. So you have nothing to be angry over yet.
post #40 of 63
Nothing to get angry about?

Printing over BT? WTF? Seriously, who the frak cares!?

BT file transfer has been available on other phones since... the beginning of time.

"Hey zo, want me to send you a cool ring tone?"
"Euh, sorry but my iPhone doesn't do that"
"You mean your 499$ super phone can't receive a file from my 4 year old Nokia?!? wtf?"
* awkward embarassed silence *

Pa.the.tic.

That's just the tip of the iceberg of crap the iPhone is useless at (no mms, no sms forwarding, a pathetic alarm notification, no selecting music for waking up/alarms, no bt sync, no Notes sync, no possibility of having the day's/upcoming calandar of events on front screen, etc etc etc etc...)

FFS When Apple actually gives us these pathetically basic things the whole interweb will cry out in joy like they were invented by Apple and media will gloss over the fact these functionalities have been around for the last decade by everyone else... it's sickening.
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