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post #1 of 29
3/11/08 at 1:17am
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I was reading about HP's new 20-inch notebook, and I wondered if Apple would follow suit?

I certainly be interested in a 20-inch notebook, complete with two SATA drives it would be ideal for my line of work!
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post #2 of 29
3/11/08 at 1:26am
That'd be fugly and huge. People already complain that the 17" is to big.
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post #3 of 29
3/11/08 at 2:32am
i don't get why ppl would complain that the 17" is too big? do they want a 16"??

imo, just having spent 2 days editing on a hi-res 17", it is fantastic. the extra real estate (coupled with spaces) makes it a great portable edit station as there is -almost- no need for a second display.

i wouldn't complain about a 20", but don't really see the point of one - it would be a desktop replacement, and the 20" imac already does that (and wouldn't be much less portable!).
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post #4 of 29
3/11/08 at 7:48am
oh wow.... now all we need is that 30" LED laptop that fits right in your trunk.
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post #5 of 29
3/11/08 at 7:51am
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I just saw one of the 20" HPs in at PC World and it's pretty impressive. If it were a Mac, it would suit my line of work perfectly!

I think I might hold off on purchased a high res. 17" MacBook Pro for the time being...
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post #6 of 29
3/11/08 at 10:33pm
i don't think apple will go 20" because I don't think a lot of people want a 20"
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post #7 of 29
3/12/08 at 1:58am
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Originally Posted by Messiah View Post

I was reading about HP's new 20-inch notebook, and I wondered if Apple would follow suit?

20" notebooks are not a new affair. I remember having seen some model (probably HP again) one or maybe two years before.

While Apple was the one that initiated the big (17") notebooks, for some reason it remained there. Sounds normal, typical Apple.
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post #8 of 29
3/12/08 at 6:40pm
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I just saw one of the 20" HPs in at PC World and it's pretty impressive. If it were a Mac, it would suit my line of work perfectly!

I think I might hold off on purchased a high res. 17" MacBook Pro for the time being...

What about the HDX would make it a better choice for you if Apple offered a 20" MBP? It has (relatively) the same processor choices, GPU choices, memory capacity, hard drive options, etc... In most ways I can tell, the 20" HDX is about on par with the top of the line MacBook Pro. The only major difference (other than a 10-key pad) is obviously the physical size of the screen, but in terms of desktop real estate, there is no difference since the HDX comes in 1680x1050 as the standard res and 1920x1200 as an option, the exact same choices as the 17" MacBook Pro.
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post #9 of 29
3/12/08 at 7:14pm
20" is super heavy (3kg +). 17" is good enough and Apple has higher resolution displays in their products.
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post #10 of 29
3/12/08 at 8:04pm
The current iMac is a 20" laptop disguised as a desktop.
Sooner or later Apple will introduce a 20" machine with a portable form factor.

However, that machine will not be promoted to portable (business) users.
It will simply a home machine that is a bit more mobile than the current iMac.
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post #11 of 29
3/13/08 at 1:21am
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Originally Posted by Frank777 View Post

The current iMac is a 20" laptop disguised as a desktop.
Sooner or later Apple will introduce a 20" machine with a portable form factor.

However, that machine will not be promoted to portable (business) users.
It will simply a home machine that is a bit more mobile than the current iMac.

I am somehow aligned with this opinion. Since the introduction of the current form factor in white plastic and aluminium, Apple has not ceased to make it thinner. This shrinkage will naturally lead to some more portable form factor for the home user. And I would say even today the iMac could be portable inside the house if it had a battery capable to last long enough so that you can move it from one wall outlet to the other without shutting it down.
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post #12 of 29
3/13/08 at 3:28am
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What about the HDX would make it a better choice for you if Apple offered a 20" MBP? It has (relatively) the same processor choices, GPU choices, memory capacity, hard drive options, etc... In most ways I can tell, the 20" HDX is about on par with the top of the line MacBook Pro. The only major difference (other than a 10-key pad) is obviously the physical size of the screen, but in terms of desktop real estate, there is no difference since the HDX comes in 1680x1050 as the standard res and 1920x1200 as an option, the exact same choices as the 17" MacBook Pro.

Sorry, I didn't mean that was interested in the HP, or that it was better than an Apple laptop in any way – I was just impressed by the physical size of the screen, and if Apple were to release a 20-inch I would be right at the head of the queue...

Even if the 20-incher remained at 1920x1200 I would still be interested!
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post #13 of 29
3/13/08 at 3:48am
There is a point when people just need to get a desktop computer...

And I think most people who are interested in a screen of that nature are going to opt for a desktop computer instead. Because Apple keeps its lineup so well consolidated I doubt they would even consider releasing a 20" laptop. I'm of the camp that doesn't even understand why someone would want a 17" laptop.
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post #14 of 29
3/13/08 at 6:44am
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There is a point when people just need to get a desktop computer...

And I think most people who are interested in a screen of that nature are going to opt for a desktop computer instead. Because Apple keeps its lineup so well consolidated I doubt they would even consider releasing a 20" laptop. I'm of the camp that doesn't even understand why someone would want a 17" laptop.


agree, mostly... but the 17"hi-res is fab as a portable edit station... i'm sold on them.
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post #15 of 29
3/13/08 at 7:54am
Personally I think 20" is way too big, and not very innovative either. I would much rather prefer this:




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post #16 of 29
3/13/08 at 9:12am
20" is too big, just plug in your 17"MBP onto your LCD TV and be happy
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post #17 of 29
3/13/08 at 1:27pm
I wouldn't mind seeing a 19" macbook pro with a 16x9 format
(1920x1080 resolution) & a fullsize keyboard w/numberpad. I
currently have a 17" powerbook & while I love it, there never
really is enough screen & power. I almost always use my laptop
while it's plugged in so battery-life isn't really a factor compared
to power. Especially when I'm at a client's house with my laptop.
I also wouldn't mind an LED screen & more options for graphics cards
& super-large hardrives.
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post #18 of 29
3/13/08 at 6:14pm
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Sorry, I didn't mean that was interested in the HP, or that it was better than an Apple laptop in any way I was just impressed by the physical size of the screen, and if Apple were to release a 20-inch I would be right at the head of the queue...

Even if the 20-incher remained at 1920x1200 I would still be interested!

No... I got that. I just wasn't sure if there was something other than physical size that attracted you to the idea of the HDX-style 20" MacBook.

Personally, the three extra inches with no increase in screen resolution is a poor trade for the nearly 10 extra pounds you have to carry around. I'd rather Apple keep their current MBP lineup but develop some sort of docking solution so you can connect to a physically larger, same resolution, lower ppi monitor as needed.
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post #19 of 29
3/15/08 at 1:53am
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No... I got that. I just wasn't sure if there was something other than physical size that attracted you to the idea of the HDX-style 20" MacBook.

Personally, the three extra inches with no increase in screen resolution is a poor trade for the nearly 10 extra pounds you have to carry around. I'd rather Apple keep their current MBP lineup but develop some sort of docking solution so you can connect to a physically larger, same resolution, lower ppi monitor as needed.

You can kind of do that at the moment with a MacBook/Cinema Display combo - but it's quite messy what with all the cables and power adapters etc. Some form of dock would be a great idea.

In my line of work I often have to be able to roll-up to a studio I've never been in before and start working straight away. Often the studios either won't have a spare Mac, or the Mac that they do provide is steam-driven. So I've found the most productive way to work is with a MacBook Pro it's got all my software on it, and it's set up the way I like it. The only problem is that even with a high res. 17-incher it gets very tiring to work on it day after day.

I tried using a MacBook Pro/Cinema Display combo myself, and a couple of iMacs, but because I can quite often be working in different studios every day of the week humfing desktop kit around gets to be a real pain.

A 20-inch notebook would allow me to rock-up with all my shit and be up and running within two minutes!
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post #20 of 29
3/15/08 at 2:14pm
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You can kind of do that at the moment with a MacBook/Cinema Display combo - but it's quite messy what with all the cables and power adapters etc. Some form of dock would be a great idea.

Exactly. I do this right now. I've got it about as painless a it can be (plug in DVI, USB hub, Firewire daisy chain, and power) but a docking solution like I have for my ThinkPad (plug-and-play and hot swappable) would be much preferred. What's been surprising is how much resistance to a notebook dock there is from the Mac community based on aesthetic reasons.
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post #21 of 29
3/16/08 at 8:13pm
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You can kind of do that at the moment with a MacBook/Cinema Display combo - but it's quite messy what with all the cables and power adapters etc. Some form of dock would be a great idea.

In my line of work I often have to be able to roll-up to a studio I've never been in before and start working straight away. Often the studios either won't have a spare Mac, or the Mac that they do provide is steam-driven. So I've found the most productive way to work is with a MacBook Pro it's got all my software on it, and it's set up the way I like it. The only problem is that even with a high res. 17-incher it gets very tiring to work on it day after day.

I tried using a MacBook Pro/Cinema Display combo myself, and a couple of iMacs, but because I can quite often be working in different studios every day of the week humfing desktop kit around gets to be a real pain.

A 20-inch notebook would allow me to rock-up with all my shit and be up and running within two minutes!

Couldn't you just use a 20" iMac in a flight case with a wireless keyboard and mouse? Sounds like that would do the trick...
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post #22 of 29
3/16/08 at 8:49pm
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Couldn't you just use a 20" iMac in a flight case with a wireless keyboard and mouse? Sounds like that would do the trick...

I know a couple of editors that do that with their 24"ers when they go on location, they'll sit and pre-edit as the filming goes along, then they pack up and go to the next place the next day, easy-peasy.
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post #23 of 29
3/17/08 at 12:12am
They'll never release 20" notebook. Let's all hope that very soon they'll release MacBook Pro Cinema 30" notebook.
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post #24 of 29
3/19/08 at 2:04pm
A 20" macbook pro?????

Lol.

Um....oh-kaaaaaaaaay.

I think I'll just take the metal stand off my 20" imac and lug that thing around. Save me $4000.

Seriously. A 20 inch laptop is such an absurd size. Anyone who would buy such a monstrosity is in such a minority as to make it pointless to even produce it.

Keep dreaming. :-)
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post #25 of 29
3/19/08 at 2:23pm
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I would much rather prefer this:



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That's so wasteful.

Would be much cleverer to dock only the bottom (keyboard) part of an open MacBook (going in with the trackpad first, screen facing you).
That way, when fully docked, the screen would still stick out, effectively adding a tilt-adjustable side screen to the iMac.

The problem with all these 'dock me inside an iMac' ideas is that you effectively pay for 2 LCD screens while ever only being able to use one. Or in other words a much more expensive solution than merely buying an Apple Cinema Display and connecting it via DVI. That way at least you pay for 2 monitors and can use 2 monitors at the same time.
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post #26 of 29
3/21/08 at 10:34am
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That'd be fugly and huge. People already complain that the 17" is to big.

LOL....why on earth would people complain. Then just don't buy the 17" and just get the 15." LOL....it's as if people are forced to buy 17" Macbook Pros. Stupid!

I, for one, would love to have a 20" Macbook Pro. If HP can do it, so can Apple.

A few years ago, Apple was one of the few who introduced the 17" and look how many people are buying and using it. Alot!

The concept of the 20" iMac and the Macbook Pro line are totally different. The concept of the Macbook Pro is inline with the Mac Pro. As long as the screen of the Macbook Pro does not exceed that of the Apple Cinema Display, then Apple should always try to advance it's size. People....Desktops are no longer big sellers...REMEMBER THAT. I know Apple does.
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post #27 of 29
3/21/08 at 10:39am
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What about the HDX would make it a better choice for you if Apple offered a 20" MBP? It has (relatively) the same processor choices, GPU choices, memory capacity, hard drive options, etc... In most ways I can tell, the 20" HDX is about on par with the top of the line MacBook Pro. The only major difference (other than a 10-key pad) is obviously the physical size of the screen, but in terms of desktop real estate, there is no difference since the HDX comes in 1680x1050 as the standard res and 1920x1200 as an option, the exact same choices as the 17" MacBook Pro.

I don't think the OP implied that she would in anyway prefer an HP over the Macbook Pro.
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post #28 of 29
3/21/08 at 10:49am
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A 20" macbook pro?????

Lol.

Um....oh-kaaaaaaaaay.

I think I'll just take the metal stand off my 20" imac and lug that thing around. Save me $4000.

Seriously. A 20 inch laptop is such an absurd size. Anyone who would buy such a monstrosity is in such a minority as to make it pointless to even produce it.

Keep dreaming. :-)

That's what people said about the 17" a few years ago.

20" absurd size? Laughable...very laughable. A laptop size has to, at best, fit an attache briefcase. If Apple can show that they can design an extremely thin laptop that can fit an envelope, they can design a portable 20" laptop worth carrying around.

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post #29 of 29
3/21/08 at 4:25pm
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That's what people said about the 17" a few years ago.

20" absurd size? Laughable...very laughable. A laptop size has to, at best, fit an attache briefcase. If Apple can show that they can design an extremely thin laptop that can fit an envelope, they can design a portable 20" laptop worth carrying around.

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You dont get the point, Apple 17" resolution is the same as HP 20" display. Try imagine you have 2 piece of A4 papers, paper A is lower resolution and paper B has higher resolution, you come to notice that you can put more stuffs in paper B then in paper A or in HP case, HP is the A4 paper and Apple is a B3 paper with higher resolution, you can fit the same thing although they are different sizes. Besides the weight gain of a 20" over a 17" is just too much and how many people actually own a 17" MBP compared to 15" MBP.
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