Originally Posted by wbrasington
First you say we're basically agreeing, and then you say it could take 6 months... maybe a year.
You will not see flash on the iPhone in the next year.
And Adobe can't come up with something new to call flash in that time.
You need a lot longer timeframe, and the idea that Apple would lend any resources to help Adobe when they clearly don't need flash, well, it's just silly.
Steve said flash won't perform and that's why it's not on the phone.
If and when it does, it could go on the phone.
It can't, it won't, forget it.
They were late on Leopard because of the iPhone.
They were late on the SDK, because it's a lot.
They are still late, because it's not ready.
If anyone thinks they're going to put "Flash" of all things, ahead of iPhone enterprise features, of the devlopers community on the iPhone, you're adsly mistaken.
The only effort that could keep the flash movement alive for the iPhone has to come from Adobe. They clearly don't know what they're doing so forget it......
My position has been very clear.
Reading what Jobs has said, shows that he never said that Flash would not be coming at some point in time, and at one time, though I can't find it now, he said that while JAVA was out, Flash might show up.
His complaints about Flash have been carefully limited to the current products. The full Flash product, according to him, not being able to be run properly with current handheld devices, and Flash Lite not giving a proper internet experience.
Therefore, I believe that there is a possible role for Flash on the iPhone/itouch. If, and when Adobe, possibly in cooperation with Apple, has a product that alleviates Job's concerns, we might very well see Flash on Apple's devices.
How long could that take? I don't know, nor does anyone else here. I'm saying that it could take 6 months to a year, based on the size of the program, which would not be large, and is not something that is totally new to Adobe after all.
Maybe, it will never happen. That's possible as well.
But Jobs doesn't seem to be opposed to it in principle, he just doesn't seem to feel that the current products are useable, or useful.
You said that the current products would never arrive on the iPhone, and I agreed.
But, you are making a lot of assumptions here. Most of them are not verifiable, and some are even fishy.
You have no idea how long it could take Adobe to do this product. It isn't a big product, and some code from current products would be reusable. You can't assume that Apple won't help. They may, and they may not.
Jobs says that 10.5 was late because of the iPhone, possibly that's true in the strict sense. But it really just shows that Apple didn't have the proper number of people working on the projects in the first place, and even, possibly, that they were having problems with BOTH products. something that seems very probable, looking at the problems with both when they first came out.
I said, many times, from the very beginning, reinforced by quotes from Jobs, that I thought Apple was going to come out with an SDK, though I didn't know when. The fact that a very big project like this might be late isn't surprising. But, other than the beta being a bit late, we really don't know if Apple intended for it to arrive in February, full sprung. I doubt that very much, considering how much work is being done on it. I'm pretty sure that the developers conference was the intended date.
Who said that Apple was going to put Flash ahead of the other solutions? I didn't. End of June is when those solutions will be available. As far as my arithmetic goes, 6 months comes 3 months later, and that's just a guess about the earliest possible date.
It's nice that you know so much that you can so easily say that Adobe doesn't know what they are doing. I guess your developers skills are vast, and your inside knowledge of their operations are so detailed that they can allow such an opinion.