Eating our words: Apple's Mac mini to rock on - Page 5

Originally Posted by guinness

The chief problem with Vista is the bloatware (which keeps the prices down, by subsidizing the cost) as it really does slow down startup processes. It took me about a half an hour to uninstall all the WildTangent trials and Google apps from my Toshiba (although now I just use my Vista disk to do a clean install, and it flys).

Originally Posted by Frank777

While Windows is a bloated mess, its market share is huge and it's Ground Zero for the hacker community.

Why hasn't anyone come up with a program that wipes all that stuff from the hard drive with one pass?

Too easy and Mac-like a solution?

Originally Posted by melgross

You can't do it with a Mac either. If some of the software comes pre-installed, and has frameworks installed, along with prefs, etc. They all must be removed properly if you want to clean them from your system.

I hate to tell you about all of the junk you have in OS X that comes as part of the system. More than half the memory footprint.

Originally Posted by Royboy

But I would love for you to tell me. Not doubting you, but "Inquiring Minds Would Like To Know."

Originally Posted by melgross

Have you ever thought to look at printer drivers, to just mention one thing? That's about 1.2 GB.

Smaller things like almost 90 MB of desktop pictures.

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It all adds up.

There are other things I didn't bother to mention.

I'm not questioning the value of these things to some people. But does all of it really need to be installed as a default or as a not easily understood option for most people, as it is with printer drivers and fonts?

I don't think so.

Originally Posted by Royboy

From my understanding, the big difference in Window's additional "junk" and Apple's "junk" is that Windows is the money maker for Microsoft via trial versions of software and all the preferences and etc that come with it.

While we are on the subject, I have 2 questions:

1...When installing OS X, there is a choice on whether to install all the languages or select the ones a person wants. What are the ramifications if one in the USA only select selects "English"?

2...There was a topic on Appleinsider or perhaps MacRumors about 10.5 having a built in automatic update feature in 10.5 for HP printers. Not sure if that was exactly the way it was supposed to happen, but it had to do with HP printers and at the time the upcoming 10.5. Is anything like that in 10.5?

Originally Posted by melgross

You know the expression:

1..One persons junk is another's treasure.

It's the PC makers that install that junk, not MS.

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I'm not sure I know what you mean by that. Apple includes a myriad of printer drivers in many languages. When you install an OS upgrade, the latest drivers will come with it. Other than that,
2....I've not heard of a special Hp driver update feature.

Originally Posted by melgross


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Originally Posted by Royboy
From my understanding, the big difference in Window's additional "junk" and Apple's "junk" is that Windows is the money maker for Microsoft via trial versions of software and all the preferences and etc that come with it.

You know the expression:

One persons junk is another's treasure.

It's the PC makers that install that junk, not MS.

But, Apple offers trial versions of software as well, their own, as well as others, such as Office.


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While we are on the subject, I have 2 questions:

1...When installing OS X, there is a choice on whether to install all the languages or select the ones a person wants. What are the ramifications if one in the USA only select selects "English"?

You can choose which to install. If all you need is English, then that's all you install. I install several that I want, but you don't have to.


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2...There was a topic on Appleinsider or perhaps MacRumors about 10.5 having a built in automatic update feature in 10.5 for HP printers. Not sure if that was exactly the way it was supposed to happen, but it had to do with HP printers and at the time the upcoming 10.5. Is anything like that in 10.5?

I'm not sure I know what you mean by that. Apple includes a myriad of printer drivers in many languages. When you install an OS upgrade, the latest drivers will come with it. Other than that, I've not heard of a special Hp driver update feature.

Originally Posted by wbrasington

Clown.

I think any comparison between Apple having bloatware, and MS having bloatware, just makes you look silly.

You want to compare all the AOL, Tax software, virus software trials, and endless other stuff in the PC boxes you buy with a bunch of fonts on your MAC? you think THAT's the same thing.

Got a question for ya spanky...... aren't there a lot of fonts in Vista? Huh?

Let's not get silly.

Saying a percentage of the space OS-X takes up compares to the percentage bloated in Vista is silly since Vista is so much more huger! (how's that for a bloated way to talk)

The problem is not just MicroSoft, it's the combination of the MicroSoft software deals and the hardware crap added to it. We could have a running competition about which hardware companies do the most to make their machine a bloated mess. (the first thing I did with my Dell was reformat it to remove the crap they shipped me)

I've put OS X on two of my MACS, and neither had any 3rd party applications on their desktops and when I went through the install for OS X that process didn't bloat me a 3rd party app either.

Jeepers, complaining that OS X and Apple may have more pieces on your machine for what you might add later in your useful life with it, like fonts, is NOT what people with a Dell using Vista are annoyed with.

Let's get off the Apple is bloated like MicroSoft joke, it's funny but not the way you think.

Originally Posted by Frank777

In news more relevant to the Mac Mini, laptop drives are getting speedier.

This debuts in June, so a future rev of the Mimi would have one less strike against it.

Does anybody know what the power requirement of the Mini's current drive are?

Originally Posted by Walter Slocombe

Dells* come pre loaded with crapware, people dont need or want them for the most Part.

Apple loads a few extra fonts, that the people who buy Macs, for the most part actually do want and will use, being that they are more likely to be of the artistic bent, be it designer/artist/writer/ whatever.

crapware does nobody any real good, a few extra megs of fonts that you will more than likely use is NOT the same, deal with it.

Who today, with access to large HDDs wants to have a striped to the bone OS?

*in the generic sense of the word

Originally Posted by JeffDM

As it is, Apple doesn't offer any 7200RPM drives at all for the mini, even though they could.

Originally Posted by melgross

You're missing the point I was making.

First of all, I was JUST talking about the stuff in the OS that many, if most people don't need. I'm not saying that I object to its being there.

Secondly, Apple DOES load crapware onto its machines for the same reason Dell does, they get paid to do some of it. After all, aren't we talking about that very same Apple that's trying to charge for every little thing?

Also, these computer makers work on small profit margins, Apple doesn't. How many people, even here, complain of Apple's too high margins? Plenty. The way that PC manufacturers work with the lower margins is to load the crapware that they get some money from.
It would be fine with me if they dropped the crapware, and raised their prices.

But, Apple can drop its crapware as well, though there is less of it to be sure.

Originally Posted by melgross

You can't do it with a Mac either. If some of the software comes pre-installed, and has frameworks installed, along with prefs, etc. They all must be removed properly if you want to clean them from your system.

Originally Posted by Gustav

I guess, but they do no harm sitting there, other than taking up a a couple of GBs of disk space. They don't slow down your computer because there isn't code running.

Windows bloatware often consists of adware checkers, virus software, and other garbage that actually loads on startup, thus slowing down your computer. There's more necessity to remove this than a couple of extra printer drivers on MacOS X.

Originally Posted by MacRonin

A lot of the 'extra' software in OS X can be deselected in the install process, thereby reducing the overall 'memory footprint'

Originally Posted by JeffDM

As it is, Apple doesn't offer any 7200RPM drives at all for the mini, even though they could. They aren't offering them for the MacBook either. I would expect that Apple would hold onto the 5400 drives for as long as they can for their low end models.

Originally Posted by wbrasington

I think the problem with EVERYONE missing the point you were trying to make, is that you're not making any sense.

Originally Posted by MacRonin

A lot of the 'extra' software in OS X can be deselected in the install process, thereby reducing the overall 'memory footprint'

Originally Posted by John.B

True, but you have to be willing to reinstall OS X over the top of the version that came with the Mac in order to "deselect" the software/drivers/languages you don't want.

Originally Posted by Gustav

I guess, but they do no harm sitting there, other than taking up a a couple of GBs of disk space. They don't slow down your computer because there isn't code running.

Windows bloatware often consists of adware checkers, virus software, and other garbage that actually loads on startup, thus slowing down your computer. There's more necessity to remove this than a couple of extra printer drivers on MacOS X.

Originally Posted by melgross

We're lucky we don't need most of that stuff. They often do.

One thing Ive noticed over the years with P people is that if they don't see the software, they won't know that they may need it. Will all the reporting over the years, only a small number ofPC people ever use virus checkers adware eliminating software, spyware elinating software, etc. If its on the machine, they may think about it.

But, as I mentioned earlier, this is a source of income for PC makers, it helps to allow them to sell at low margins.

Apple used to have much more of this stuff on their machines as well, but they've toned it down.

And, try hundreds of printer drivers.

Originally Posted by vinea

I think people simply disagree with what you categorize as bloat. Printer drivers, for example, are part of that "plug it in and it works" infrastructure.

To a lesser extent Apache is in that same category for some of the iLife tools if you wish to self publish and not use .mac. A better case can be made for them though.

Originally Posted by Frank777

That's why I asked about the power requirements for the Mini's current drive.
I was wondering what the replacement options are, in terms of 7200RPM drives.

These are the first I've heard of that have 7200RPM drive-level capacities and low power requirements.

Originally Posted by LE Studios

I just added a Kingston 4GB Kit (two 2GB PC2-5300) Mac Mini Core Duo 2 2GHz. I brought it from Fry's Electronics for $79.99. I'm on the Mac Mini. I been in Activity Monitor I see 4GB Pie Chart but adding the usage and all it is 3GB. Honestly, I see a big speed difference then the 1GB including programs like Garageband especially playing large tracks with a lot instruments example like the 1GB or larger demos of Jam Pack Symphony Orchestra, iPhoto where as I got over 5,000 photos, iTunes with 1.6GB MPEG-4 Videos of movies brought from iTunes, and finally Safari 3.1 including 1080p Trailers from Apple and websites with a lot of media! Some instances of these programs because it was so instantly accessible and responsive I felt if I had a Solid State Drive. If you really think about I recommend getting two 2GB DIMMs, #1 matching pairs, #2 128-bit addressing, #3 you have a 1GB more to use than the Apple recommended maximum. Finally #4 The performance truly justifies the price. Installing it was actually easier to me because of Mac Mini RAM Upgrade Tutorial this was the site I printed it up and use as a guide to install. Took me actually less than 30 minutes including testing it before putting the case back on. I love the Mac Mini Core Duo 2 it's really working for me until I get enough money to get a 2.5" SATA 256GB SSD (Solid State Drive)! Yeah a 256GB SSD in a Mac Mini with 4GB Memory. Now this is how the Mac Mini will be rocking on!

Originally Posted by upperq

i thought I eye the the Mac mini as an eventual replacement to my aging PowerMac G4. whats ur thinking....................&)(

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Originally Posted by JeffDM

The power difference is very small. A 5400RPM notebook drive might max at 2W, the worst 7200RPM notebook drive maxes out at about 2.5W. This varies between drive models, but that's the general figure that you can expect to see.

Originally Posted by @homenow

(come on $779 for a 1.6 Core Duo

Originally Posted by iDave

I noticed that the other day and thought it was a mistake. I guess there are people out there who look at the "original" price and think it's a good deal.

Originally Posted by Frank777

That's why I asked about the power requirements for the Mini's current drive.
I was wondering what the replacement options are, in terms of 7200RPM drives.

These are the first I've heard of that have 7200RPM drive-level capacities and low power requirements.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo

I wish Apple would hurry up and release this new version. I'm waiting.