or Connect
AppleInsider › Forums › Mac Hardware › Future Apple Hardware › Eating our words: Apple's Mac mini to rock on
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Eating our words: Apple's Mac mini to rock on - Page 5

post #161 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by guinness View Post

The chief problem with Vista is the bloatware (which keeps the prices down, by subsidizing the cost) as it really does slow down startup processes. It took me about a half an hour to uninstall all the WildTangent trials and Google apps from my Toshiba (although now I just use my Vista disk to do a clean install, and it flys).

While Windows is a bloated mess, its market share is huge and it's Ground Zero for the hacker community.

Why hasn't anyone come up with a program that wipes all that stuff from the hard drive with one pass?

Too easy and Mac-like a solution?
The evil that we fight is but the shadow of the evil that we do.
Reply
The evil that we fight is but the shadow of the evil that we do.
Reply
post #162 of 290
The mini is awesome, it's the only mac I never sold to trade up. Make a slightly larger version with 2 ram slots and a 3.5" hd and I'll buy another.
Quote:
Originally Posted by appleinsider vBulletin Message

You have been banned for the following reason:
Three personal attacks in one post. Congratulations.
Date the ban will be lifted:...
Reply
Quote:
Originally Posted by appleinsider vBulletin Message

You have been banned for the following reason:
Three personal attacks in one post. Congratulations.
Date the ban will be lifted:...
Reply
post #163 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank777 View Post

While Windows is a bloated mess, its market share is huge and it's Ground Zero for the hacker community.

Why hasn't anyone come up with a program that wipes all that stuff from the hard drive with one pass?

Too easy and Mac-like a solution?

You can't do it with a Mac either. If some of the software comes pre-installed, and has frameworks installed, along with prefs, etc. They all must be removed properly if you want to clean them from your system.

I hate to tell you about all of the junk you have in OS X that comes as part of the system. More than half the memory footprint.
post #164 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by melgross View Post

You can't do it with a Mac either. If some of the software comes pre-installed, and has frameworks installed, along with prefs, etc. They all must be removed properly if you want to clean them from your system.

I hate to tell you about all of the junk you have in OS X that comes as part of the system. More than half the memory footprint.


But I would love for you to tell me. Not doubting you, but "Inquiring Minds Would Like To Know."
2009 Quad 2.66 Mac Pro, 12 GB OWC RAM, ATI 4870, Wi-Fi Card 802.11n, AppleCare, 4 WD Caviar Black 1TB HD's, 2 SuperDrives, 24" Apple LED Display.
Reply
2009 Quad 2.66 Mac Pro, 12 GB OWC RAM, ATI 4870, Wi-Fi Card 802.11n, AppleCare, 4 WD Caviar Black 1TB HD's, 2 SuperDrives, 24" Apple LED Display.
Reply
post #165 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy View Post

But I would love for you to tell me. Not doubting you, but "Inquiring Minds Would Like To Know."

Have you ever thought to look at printer drivers, to just mention one thing? That's about 1.2 GB.

Smaller things like almost 90 MB of desktop pictures.

About 350 MB of fonts, excluding those in the System fonts folder (which, for the most part are needed).

Then there are the various programing environments which most people don't need. Also Apache, which, again, few need.

You know, an additional MB here and there, 5 MB here and there, an additional 10 MB here and there etc.

Then there are the frameworks for most of this stuff. If they are frameworks that are needed for the system to run, that's ok, but there are frameworks for the extras as well.

Does everyone need the RUBY frameworks at 150 MB? Or the one for Python at about 170 MB?

Do we really need all of the voices for speech playback to be installed, at about 700 MB?

It all adds up.

There are other things I didn't bother to mention.

I'm not questioning the value of these things to some people. But does all of it really need to be installed as a default or as a not easily understood option for most people, as it is with printer drivers and fonts?

I don't think so.
post #166 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Have you ever thought to look at printer drivers, to just mention one thing? That's about 1.2 GB.

Smaller things like almost 90 MB of desktop pictures.

----snip....

It all adds up.

There are other things I didn't bother to mention.

I'm not questioning the value of these things to some people. But does all of it really need to be installed as a default or as a not easily understood option for most people, as it is with printer drivers and fonts?

I don't think so.


From my understanding, the big difference in Window's additional "junk" and Apple's "junk" is that Windows is the money maker for Microsoft via trial versions of software and all the preferences and etc that come with it.

While we are on the subject, I have 2 questions:

1...When installing OS X, there is a choice on whether to install all the languages or select the ones a person wants. What are the ramifications if one in the USA only select selects "English"?

2...There was a topic on Appleinsider or perhaps MacRumors about 10.5 having a built in automatic update feature in 10.5 for HP printers. Not sure if that was exactly the way it was supposed to happen, but it had to do with HP printers and at the time the upcoming 10.5. Is anything like that in 10.5?
2009 Quad 2.66 Mac Pro, 12 GB OWC RAM, ATI 4870, Wi-Fi Card 802.11n, AppleCare, 4 WD Caviar Black 1TB HD's, 2 SuperDrives, 24" Apple LED Display.
Reply
2009 Quad 2.66 Mac Pro, 12 GB OWC RAM, ATI 4870, Wi-Fi Card 802.11n, AppleCare, 4 WD Caviar Black 1TB HD's, 2 SuperDrives, 24" Apple LED Display.
Reply
post #167 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy View Post

From my understanding, the big difference in Window's additional "junk" and Apple's "junk" is that Windows is the money maker for Microsoft via trial versions of software and all the preferences and etc that come with it.

You know the expression:

One persons junk is another's treasure.

It's the PC makers that install that junk, not MS.

But, Apple offers trial versions of software as well, their own, as well as others, such as Office.

Quote:
While we are on the subject, I have 2 questions:

1...When installing OS X, there is a choice on whether to install all the languages or select the ones a person wants. What are the ramifications if one in the USA only select selects "English"?

You can choose which to install. If all you need is English, then that's all you install. I install several that I want, but you don't have to.

Quote:
2...There was a topic on Appleinsider or perhaps MacRumors about 10.5 having a built in automatic update feature in 10.5 for HP printers. Not sure if that was exactly the way it was supposed to happen, but it had to do with HP printers and at the time the upcoming 10.5. Is anything like that in 10.5?

I'm not sure I know what you mean by that. Apple includes a myriad of printer drivers in many languages. When you install an OS upgrade, the latest drivers will come with it. Other than that, I've not heard of a special Hp driver update feature.
post #168 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by melgross View Post

You know the expression:

1..One persons junk is another's treasure.

It's the PC makers that install that junk, not MS.

-snip...

I'm not sure I know what you mean by that. Apple includes a myriad of printer drivers in many languages. When you install an OS upgrade, the latest drivers will come with it. Other than that,
2....I've not heard of a special Hp driver update feature
.

1...Well I learned something new today. Can't believe Microsoft is missing out on that cash cow when most of the Windows people I know blame it on Microsoft.


2...Can't believe I found the article I was referring to. Many thanks to Google:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=361131
2009 Quad 2.66 Mac Pro, 12 GB OWC RAM, ATI 4870, Wi-Fi Card 802.11n, AppleCare, 4 WD Caviar Black 1TB HD's, 2 SuperDrives, 24" Apple LED Display.
Reply
2009 Quad 2.66 Mac Pro, 12 GB OWC RAM, ATI 4870, Wi-Fi Card 802.11n, AppleCare, 4 WD Caviar Black 1TB HD's, 2 SuperDrives, 24" Apple LED Display.
Reply
post #169 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by melgross View Post


Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy
From my understanding, the big difference in Window's additional "junk" and Apple's "junk" is that Windows is the money maker for Microsoft via trial versions of software and all the preferences and etc that come with it.

You know the expression:

One persons junk is another's treasure.

It's the PC makers that install that junk, not MS.

But, Apple offers trial versions of software as well, their own, as well as others, such as Office.


Quote:
While we are on the subject, I have 2 questions:

1...When installing OS X, there is a choice on whether to install all the languages or select the ones a person wants. What are the ramifications if one in the USA only select selects "English"?

You can choose which to install. If all you need is English, then that's all you install. I install several that I want, but you don't have to.


Quote:
2...There was a topic on Appleinsider or perhaps MacRumors about 10.5 having a built in automatic update feature in 10.5 for HP printers. Not sure if that was exactly the way it was supposed to happen, but it had to do with HP printers and at the time the upcoming 10.5. Is anything like that in 10.5?

I'm not sure I know what you mean by that. Apple includes a myriad of printer drivers in many languages. When you install an OS upgrade, the latest drivers will come with it. Other than that, I've not heard of a special Hp driver update feature.


Clown.

I think any comparison between Apple having bloatware, and MS having bloatware, just makes you look silly.

Fonts?

You want to compare all the AOL, Tax software, virus software trials, and endless other stuff in the PC boxes you buy with a bunch of fonts on your MAC? you think THAT's the same thing.

Got a question for ya spanky...... aren't there a lot of fonts in Vista? Huh?

Let's not get silly.

Saying a percentage of the space OS-X takes up compares to the percentage bloated in Vista is silly since Vista is so much more huger! (how's that for a bloated way to talk)

The problem is not just MicroSoft, it's the combination of the MicroSoft software deals and the hardware crap added to it. We could have a running competition about which hardware companies do the most to make their machine a bloated mess. (the first thing I did with my Dell was reformat it to remove the crap they shipped me)

I've put OS X on two of my MACS, and neither had any 3rd party applications on their desktops and when I went through the install for OS X that process didn't bloat me a 3rd party app either.

Jeepers, complaining that OS X and Apple may have more pieces on your machine for what you might add later in your useful life with it, like fonts, is NOT what people with a Dell using Vista are annoyed with.

Let's get off the Apple is bloated like MicroSoft joke, it's funny but not the way you think.
post #170 of 290
In news more relevant to the Mac Mini, laptop drives are getting speedier.

This debuts in June, so a future rev of the Mimi would have one less strike against it.

Does anybody know what the power requirement of the Mini's current drive are?
The evil that we fight is but the shadow of the evil that we do.
Reply
The evil that we fight is but the shadow of the evil that we do.
Reply
post #171 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by wbrasington View Post

Clown.

Don't denigrate yourself that way, it isn't polite.


Quote:
I think any comparison between Apple having bloatware, and MS having bloatware, just makes you look silly.

You don't understand the conversation. That makes YOU look silly.

[quote[
Fonts?[/quote]


I was talking about what is installed in the OS, not necessrrily the overall install.

Quote:
You want to compare all the AOL, Tax software, virus software trials, and endless other stuff in the PC boxes you buy with a bunch of fonts on your MAC? you think THAT's the same thing.

Got a question for ya spanky...... aren't there a lot of fonts in Vista? Huh?

Let's not get silly.

You're not too smart, are you?

Quote:
Saying a percentage of the space OS-X takes up compares to the percentage bloated in Vista is silly since Vista is so much more huger! (how's that for a bloated way to talk)

I figure it's your lack of erudition.

Quote:
The problem is not just MicroSoft, it's the combination of the MicroSoft software deals and the hardware crap added to it. We could have a running competition about which hardware companies do the most to make their machine a bloated mess. (the first thing I did with my Dell was reformat it to remove the crap they shipped me)

I've put OS X on two of my MACS, and neither had any 3rd party applications on their desktops and when I went through the install for OS X that process didn't bloat me a 3rd party app either.

Jeepers, complaining that OS X and Apple may have more pieces on your machine for what you might add later in your useful life with it, like fonts, is NOT what people with a Dell using Vista are annoyed with.

Let's get off the Apple is bloated like MicroSoft joke, it's funny but not the way you think.

When you buy a new Mac (should you ever afford one) there are the software trials that Apple has installed.

But, then, Apple sells it's own software that PC makers, as hardware companies only don't have. So they have to give away what they find as equivalent.

I'm not saying it's great on their part.

But, you're being overly offensive when you don't have to.
post #172 of 290
I love the mini. I think it's a great idea, but that doesn't mean it couldn't use some freshening up...

Everyone (including me) has their own ideas for what the new mini should be (do), but i'm trying to compile a list of suggestions. Please let me know what you'd like to see next time around here:

http://www.applewatchdog.com/?p=67

It should be interesting to hear. Thanks!
post #173 of 290
Dells* come pre loaded with crapware, people dont need or want them for the most Part.

Apple loads a few extra fonts, that the people who buy Macs, for the most part actually do want and will use, being that they are more likely to be of the artistic bent, be it designer/artist/writer/ whatever.

crapware does nobody any real good, a few extra megs of fonts that you will more than likely use is NOT the same, deal with it.

Who today, with access to large HDDs wants to have a striped to the bone OS?

*in the generic sense of the word
I don't see how an anti M$ stance can be seen as a bad thing on an Apple forum I really can't!

nagromme - According to Amazon: "SpongBob Typing Tutor" is outselling Windows
Reply
I don't see how an anti M$ stance can be seen as a bad thing on an Apple forum I really can't!

nagromme - According to Amazon: "SpongBob Typing Tutor" is outselling Windows
Reply
post #174 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank777 View Post

In news more relevant to the Mac Mini, laptop drives are getting speedier.

This debuts in June, so a future rev of the Mimi would have one less strike against it.

Does anybody know what the power requirement of the Mini's current drive are?

As it is, Apple doesn't offer any 7200RPM drives at all for the mini, even though they could. They aren't offering them for the MacBook either. I would expect that Apple would hold onto the 5400 drives for as long as they can for their low end models.
post #175 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Slocombe View Post

Dells* come pre loaded with crapware, people dont need or want them for the most Part.

Apple loads a few extra fonts, that the people who buy Macs, for the most part actually do want and will use, being that they are more likely to be of the artistic bent, be it designer/artist/writer/ whatever.

crapware does nobody any real good, a few extra megs of fonts that you will more than likely use is NOT the same, deal with it.

Who today, with access to large HDDs wants to have a striped to the bone OS?

*in the generic sense of the word

You're missing the point I was making.

First of all, I was JUST talking about the stuff in the OS that many, if most people don't need. I'm not saying that I object to its being there.

Secondly, Apple DOES load crapware onto its machines for the same reason Dell does, they get paid to do some of it. After all, aren't we talking about that very same Apple that's trying to charge for every little thing?

Also, these computer makers work on small profit margins, Apple doesn't. How many people, even here, complain of Apple's too high margins? Plenty. The way that PC manufacturers work with the lower margins is to load the crapware that they get some money from.
It would be fine with me if they dropped the crapware, and raised their prices.

But, Apple can drop its crapware as well, though there is less of it to be sure.
post #176 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

As it is, Apple doesn't offer any 7200RPM drives at all for the mini, even though they could.

That's why I asked about the power requirements for the Mini's current drive.
I was wondering what the replacement options are, in terms of 7200RPM drives.

These are the first I've heard of that have 7200RPM drive-level capacities and low power requirements.
The evil that we fight is but the shadow of the evil that we do.
Reply
The evil that we fight is but the shadow of the evil that we do.
Reply
post #177 of 290
A lot of the 'extra' software in OS X can be deselected in the install process, thereby reducing the overall 'memory footprint'…
Late 2009 Unibody MacBook (modified)
2.26GHz Core 2 Duo CPU/8GB RAM/60GB SSD/500GB HDD
SuperDrive delete
Reply
Late 2009 Unibody MacBook (modified)
2.26GHz Core 2 Duo CPU/8GB RAM/60GB SSD/500GB HDD
SuperDrive delete
Reply
post #178 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by melgross View Post

You're missing the point I was making.

First of all, I was JUST talking about the stuff in the OS that many, if most people don't need. I'm not saying that I object to its being there.

Secondly, Apple DOES load crapware onto its machines for the same reason Dell does, they get paid to do some of it. After all, aren't we talking about that very same Apple that's trying to charge for every little thing?

Also, these computer makers work on small profit margins, Apple doesn't. How many people, even here, complain of Apple's too high margins? Plenty. The way that PC manufacturers work with the lower margins is to load the crapware that they get some money from.
It would be fine with me if they dropped the crapware, and raised their prices.

But, Apple can drop its crapware as well, though there is less of it to be sure.

I think the problem with EVERYONE missing the point you were trying to make, is that you're not making any sense.
post #179 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by melgross View Post

You can't do it with a Mac either. If some of the software comes pre-installed, and has frameworks installed, along with prefs, etc. They all must be removed properly if you want to clean them from your system.

I guess, but they do no harm sitting there, other than taking up a a couple of GBs of disk space. They don't slow down your computer because there isn't code running.

Windows bloatware often consists of adware checkers, virus software, and other garbage that actually loads on startup, thus slowing down your computer. There's more necessity to remove this than a couple of extra printer drivers on MacOS X.
post #180 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gustav View Post

I guess, but they do no harm sitting there, other than taking up a a couple of GBs of disk space. They don't slow down your computer because there isn't code running.

Windows bloatware often consists of adware checkers, virus software, and other garbage that actually loads on startup, thus slowing down your computer. There's more necessity to remove this than a couple of extra printer drivers on MacOS X.

I agree. Everyone has their own definition of 'crapware'. Mine are apps that I didn't intend to purchase that were included with the machine that impairs the performance of the computer. As you point out there are a number of Windows apps that do that.

As for the printer drivers, I really like them included with the OS. I can't tell you how many times I've plugged my MBP into a USB printer and have been able to use it right away because those drivers were already available. With desktops it is less of an advantage because one probably doesn't switch printers that often but with a laptop its rather handy. Since the inclusion of those drivers doesn't seem to impair performance, I'm all for having them.
post #181 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacRonin View Post

A lot of the 'extra' software in OS X can be deselected in the install process, thereby reducing the overall 'memory footprint'

True, but you have to be willing to reinstall OS X over the top of the version that came with the Mac in order to "deselect" the software/drivers/languages you don't want.

   Apple develops an improved programming language.  Google copied Java.  Everything you need to know, right there.

 

    AT&T believes their LTE coverage is adequate

Reply

   Apple develops an improved programming language.  Google copied Java.  Everything you need to know, right there.

 

    AT&T believes their LTE coverage is adequate

Reply
post #182 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

As it is, Apple doesn't offer any 7200RPM drives at all for the mini, even though they could. They aren't offering them for the MacBook either. I would expect that Apple would hold onto the 5400 drives for as long as they can for their low end models.


Just recently installed a 200gb 16mb cache 7200rpm seagate hdrive to my mark I macbook. It really makes a difference from 60gb stock. Would highly recommend this.

I would imagine, said hard disk installed on mac mini, of any specification would give it a dramatic speed boost.
post #183 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by wbrasington View Post

I think the problem with EVERYONE missing the point you were trying to make, is that you're not making any sense.

I'm making sense, you're just being nasty.

You don't have to agree. I really don't care.
post #184 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacRonin View Post

A lot of the 'extra' software in OS X can be deselected in the install process, thereby reducing the overall 'memory footprint'

Of course it can be. All extra software can be deleted.
post #185 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by John.B View Post

True, but you have to be willing to reinstall OS X over the top of the version that came with the Mac in order to "deselect" the software/drivers/languages you don't want.

What, everyone doesn't automatically wipe the HDD on their new Macs and then do a fresh custom install?!?
Late 2009 Unibody MacBook (modified)
2.26GHz Core 2 Duo CPU/8GB RAM/60GB SSD/500GB HDD
SuperDrive delete
Reply
Late 2009 Unibody MacBook (modified)
2.26GHz Core 2 Duo CPU/8GB RAM/60GB SSD/500GB HDD
SuperDrive delete
Reply
post #186 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gustav View Post

I guess, but they do no harm sitting there, other than taking up a a couple of GBs of disk space. They don't slow down your computer because there isn't code running.

Windows bloatware often consists of adware checkers, virus software, and other garbage that actually loads on startup, thus slowing down your computer. There's more necessity to remove this than a couple of extra printer drivers on MacOS X.

We're lucky we don't need most of that stuff. They often do.

One thing Ive noticed over the years with P people is that if they don't see the software, they won't know that they may need it. Will all the reporting over the years, only a small number ofPC people ever use virus checkers adware eliminating software, spyware elinating software, etc. If its on the machine, they may think about it.

But, as I mentioned earlier, this is a source of income for PC makers, it helps to allow them to sell at low margins.

Apple used to have much more of this stuff on their machines as well, but they've toned it down.

And, try hundreds of printer drivers.
post #187 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by melgross View Post

We're lucky we don't need most of that stuff. They often do.

One thing Ive noticed over the years with P people is that if they don't see the software, they won't know that they may need it. Will all the reporting over the years, only a small number ofPC people ever use virus checkers adware eliminating software, spyware elinating software, etc. If its on the machine, they may think about it.

But, as I mentioned earlier, this is a source of income for PC makers, it helps to allow them to sell at low margins.

Apple used to have much more of this stuff on their machines as well, but they've toned it down.

And, try hundreds of printer drivers.

I think people simply disagree with what you categorize as bloat. Printer drivers, for example, are part of that "plug it in and it works" infrastructure.

To a lesser extent Apache is in that same category for some of the iLife tools if you wish to self publish and not use .mac. A better case can be made for them though.
post #188 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinea View Post

I think people simply disagree with what you categorize as bloat. Printer drivers, for example, are part of that "plug it in and it works" infrastructure.

To a lesser extent Apache is in that same category for some of the iLife tools if you wish to self publish and not use .mac. A better case can be made for them though.

I'm not actually calling printer drivers, fonts, and other parts of the OS, bloat. I'm just pointing out that there is a lot of stuff that is loaded that most people never use, such as the programming frameworks and the webserver.

You probably remember the days of system 9 and earlier, when we would remove all of the things from the system we didn't need, including all those modem scripts. I'm simply making the point that we load all of this stuff without realizing what it is, or whether we need it. It's true that HDD's are large enough so that a few extra GB in the OS doesn't make much difference, but it is there.

Apple used to supply almost a dozen trial programs and games, but that started to lesson when iLife came out. Now it's only two or three packages.
post #189 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank777 View Post

That's why I asked about the power requirements for the Mini's current drive.
I was wondering what the replacement options are, in terms of 7200RPM drives.

These are the first I've heard of that have 7200RPM drive-level capacities and low power requirements.

Sorry, I didn't notice the question.

The power difference is very small. A 5400RPM notebook drive might max at 2W, the worst 7200RPM notebook drive maxes out at about 2.5W. This varies between drive models, but that's the general figure that you can expect to see.
post #190 of 290
I just added a Kingston 4GB Kit (two 2GB PC2-5300) Mac Mini Core Duo 2 2GHz. I brought it from Fry's Electronics for $79.99. I'm on the Mac Mini. I been in Activity Monitor I see 4GB Pie Chart but adding the usage and all it is 3GB. Honestly, I see a big speed difference then the 1GB including programs like Garageband especially playing large tracks with a lot instruments example like the 1GB or larger demos of Jam Pack Symphony Orchestra, iPhoto where as I got over 5,000 photos, iTunes with 1.6GB MPEG-4 Videos of movies brought from iTunes, and finally Safari 3.1 including 1080p Trailers from Apple and websites with a lot of media! Some instances of these programs because it was so instantly accessible and responsive I felt if I had a Solid State Drive. If you really think about I recommend getting two 2GB DIMMs, #1 matching pairs, #2 128-bit addressing, #3 you have a 1GB more to use than the Apple recommended maximum. Finally #4 The performance truly justifies the price. Installing it was actually easier to me because of Mac Mini RAM Upgrade Tutorial this was the site I printed it up and use as a guide to install. Took me actually less than 30 minutes including testing it before putting the case back on. I love the Mac Mini Core Duo 2 it's really working for me until I get enough money to get a 2.5" SATA 256GB SSD (Solid State Drive)! Yeah a 256GB SSD in a Mac Mini with 4GB Memory. Now this is how the Mac Mini will be rocking on!
post #191 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by LE Studios View Post

I just added a Kingston 4GB Kit (two 2GB PC2-5300) Mac Mini Core Duo 2 2GHz. I brought it from Fry's Electronics for $79.99. I'm on the Mac Mini. I been in Activity Monitor I see 4GB Pie Chart but adding the usage and all it is 3GB. Honestly, I see a big speed difference then the 1GB including programs like Garageband especially playing large tracks with a lot instruments example like the 1GB or larger demos of Jam Pack Symphony Orchestra, iPhoto where as I got over 5,000 photos, iTunes with 1.6GB MPEG-4 Videos of movies brought from iTunes, and finally Safari 3.1 including 1080p Trailers from Apple and websites with a lot of media! Some instances of these programs because it was so instantly accessible and responsive I felt if I had a Solid State Drive. If you really think about I recommend getting two 2GB DIMMs, #1 matching pairs, #2 128-bit addressing, #3 you have a 1GB more to use than the Apple recommended maximum. Finally #4 The performance truly justifies the price. Installing it was actually easier to me because of Mac Mini RAM Upgrade Tutorial this was the site I printed it up and use as a guide to install. Took me actually less than 30 minutes including testing it before putting the case back on. I love the Mac Mini Core Duo 2 it's really working for me until I get enough money to get a 2.5" SATA 256GB SSD (Solid State Drive)! Yeah a 256GB SSD in a Mac Mini with 4GB Memory. Now this is how the Mac Mini will be rocking on!

Good one. Well done. The Mini is serving me well too. I look forward to your further feedback if you upgrade with a flash disk.
Where are we on the curve? We'll know once it goes asymptotic!
Reply
Where are we on the curve? We'll know once it goes asymptotic!
Reply
post #192 of 290
i thought I eye the the Mac mini as an eventual replacement to my aging PowerMac G4. whats ur thinking....................&)(

____________
anime
post #193 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by upperq View Post

i thought I eye the the Mac mini as an eventual replacement to my aging PowerMac G4. whats ur thinking....................&)(

____________
anime

Depends on what you want it for.
post #194 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

The power difference is very small. A 5400RPM notebook drive might max at 2W, the worst 7200RPM notebook drive maxes out at about 2.5W. This varies between drive models, but that's the general figure that you can expect to see.

I doubt a few watts power of extra consumption will make any difference in a Mac mini, since it IS a desktop machine. In a laptop there might be a marginal difference.

A 7200 rpm hard drive will make a big difference, speedwise, in pretty much every area. I started putting them in my PowerBooks since 2 1/2" 7200 rpm drives were first available and it makes a noticeable difference: booting, launching apps, Opening/Saving files and searching. I've been quite happy with them.
Macintosh: It just WORKS!
Reply
Macintosh: It just WORKS!
Reply
post #195 of 290
I would be surprised if Apple did discontinue this model, have you watched the refirb store at Apple, the newer ones rarely stay in stock for 24 hours when they are put up. I think that the older models would go faster if they adjusted the price's to be more realistic instead of basing the price off of the original retail (come on $779 for a 1.6 Core Duo when you can buy a new 1.8 for $499, someone at Apple is smoking Crack). I would like to see the low end get down to $499 which I think would make the computer even more attractive and even harder to keep on the shelves.
post #196 of 290
Yes, the refurb store is interesting to watch.

Minis fly out as soon as they arrive but those "special limited time" iMacs have been there a month or so.
The evil that we fight is but the shadow of the evil that we do.
Reply
The evil that we fight is but the shadow of the evil that we do.
Reply
post #197 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by @homenow View Post

(come on $779 for a 1.6 Core Duo

I noticed that the other day and thought it was a mistake. I guess there are people out there who look at the "original" price and think it's a good deal.
post #198 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by iDave View Post

I noticed that the other day and thought it was a mistake. I guess there are people out there who look at the "original" price and think it's a good deal.

I don't know why they just do that with the Mini though and not any other machine they have. Seems like more evidence that they don't want you buying them instead of an iMac.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank777

That's why I asked about the power requirements for the Mini's current drive.
I was wondering what the replacement options are, in terms of 7200RPM drives.

These are the first I've heard of that have 7200RPM drive-level capacities and low power requirements.

It will probably depend on noise and heat the drive generates too. The Mini is practically silent so anything louder and they'll probably not use it.

They might use them in the iMac though as they could at some point fit two x 2.5" drives in there for backups, RAID. I doubt it would allow then to shrink the enclosure down further than it already is.

Where is this Mini update already - any stock shortages anywhere yet?
post #199 of 290
I wish Apple would hurry up and release this new version. I'm waiting.
post #200 of 290
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckaroo View Post

I wish Apple would hurry up and release this new version. I'm waiting.

im desperate to get a mac mini but not sure if to buy now or wait for the new one. Can anyone answer any of these questions...

When will the new one be out?
What will the upgrades likely be?
If you buy one now and they bring a new one out 2 months down the line - whats the chances of getting apple to swap it?
Will the upgrade being an increase in price?

hope you guys can help me make the correct descision.

thanks

chris
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Future Apple Hardware
AppleInsider › Forums › Mac Hardware › Future Apple Hardware › Eating our words: Apple's Mac mini to rock on