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post #201 of 457
[quote]Originally posted by cowerd: <strong> While you're pontificating you
may want to change your post to reflect a little reality. If you are
calling the 8500 the desktop version of the 8xxx series, then it is
more complicated than the 8450, seeing as how the 8450 specs don't
call out an a ltivec unit, L3 cache etc.</strong><hr></blockquote>

More complicated? Oh please. You haven't seen the documentation for the
8540 (which you can't get right -- the 8450 is not the 8540). 2x ethernet
controllers and DSP-like functionality on board for starters. The 8500
will have a book E core with altivec (which is finished, obviously) and
maybe an onboard memory controller. Did you think of that, genius?
post #202 of 457
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
They think a G5 is soming-

From the URL: "And no matter how fast the G4 processor is clocked at, the chip has its limits. This explains why we'll be seeing G5-equipped Macs this year.

<hr></blockquote>

Err...it occurs to me the author of that article might need to take a formal logic class. One chip having a specific shortcoming has no direct bearing on its successor's release date, only that there will *be* a successor.


[quote]The G5 may even come as early as this month's MacWorld in San Francisco. As any dedicated Mac aficionado knows, the semi-annual MacWorld Show and Conference is the traditional time at which Apple showcases its newest computers. At this year's Expo, held from January 8 to January 11, tens of thousands of MacHeads will line up to get a glimpse of the fastest Macs ever. And the Ranting One is guessing the G5 will be there!
<hr></blockquote>

The operative word being "guessing."


Not to pick on you Kid, but I think this is the kind of thing that stirs up the animosity between the two camps. Just because you can "provide a link", doesn't mean the link is worth anything - regardless of which stance the link benefits. People should be more careful in terms of posting something to be seen as "evidence". I know you were just showing yet another possibility, but...

...if everyone would only post links to information that is more or less concrete and verifiable...Motorola spokesperson comments, press releases, developer evidence, etc...things would be easier to discern.
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post #203 of 457
[quote]Originally posted by SFVcpz: <strong>I don't feel the evidence that
the 8540 will be SAMPLING in Q2/2002, not shipping, is any evidence
that the 8500 is anywhere near ready, in production, or giving yields of
uber Ghz chips.

And, the reason I said "tomes" more evidence is because Take the G4
evidence (solid) and put in in the Numerator and the G5 evidence (scant at
best) in the denominator and you get the following equation

G4 (good) ---------- = veritable Tome G5 (scant)

in math this may look something like

10.0000000000 ------------- = 10e12 &lt;----- Tome .000000000001

Sorry, but a G5 is just wishful thinking.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Solid G4 evidence? Where? Conservative guesses are just as speculative as
optimistic guesses, something that SdC can't seem to understand, and
neither do you as it would appear.

As far as your non-belief in my case for the 8500 based on the 8540s
release date, sticking your head ("i don't feel"... as if we give a toss
what you `feel', this isn't a counsellor's office, we like cogency in our
arguments) in the sand when presented with a cogent argument does not
count.
post #204 of 457
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"...."nor will it use [i]rapidIO.[\\i]"

<a href="http://e-www.motorola.com/collateral/PPCRMAP.pdf" target="_blank">http://e-www.motorola.com/collateral/PPCRMAP.pdf</a>

Motorola's roadmap specifically states that the G5 will use a "New bus topology/RapidIO Interconnect Architecture".

I also thought I read somewhere that the E500 core would be used in the G5, but I guess not. (addendum: GOT IT: <a href="http://e-www.motorola.com/collateral/SNDFH1101.pdf)" target="_blank">http://e-www.motorola.com/collateral/SNDFH1101.pdf)</a>

page 5 shows the E500 core for the G5, but looking at the spec.'s, a lot must be added to the core for use in a desktop?)

It almost seems that for Motorola to produce a G5(longer pipline, 64 bit, faster bus) for Apple it will not be a Motorola G5 :confused:

I just hope the next upgrade is the Apollo chip, made on the 0.13µ die, incorporates SOI and the motherboard has a faster system bus.

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post #205 of 457
The reason I believe we'll see a G5 in 2002 is that the original expected launch date was Q4 '01 or Q1 '02. Now I know that this was all being talked about in 1999 and 2000 and that these dates aren't set in stone, but I add to that the fact Steve-O has supposedly lit a fire under Mot's a$$ to get some high speed chips out the door.

I know a lot of people here think there is bad blood between Apple and Mot, and that Mot is getting revenge for having their clones axed and a few other things. You all need to realize that without Apple, Motorola could not afford the PPC project. Apple invests big dollars into it's R&D, pays a lot of engineers that help in it's development, pay for the majority of product testing, and thru Apple's computers provide marketing for the chips themselves.

So again, I say PPC would not exist at Mot without Apple. Even though Apple is not the biggest customer, they foot a lot of the bill. That gives them first access to what comes off the production line.

I don't think Apple would spend all that money, effort, and time to let Motorola release the 8540 which is a G5 class processor. The 1st G5 released will be for Apple's consumption, the 8540 might be the first announced, but that doesn't mean first released. Since the 8540 is to sample later this year, the G5 will be released before it.

That is why you will see a G5 in 2002.

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Rational, logical thinking, based on past events, partnership agreements, and progression have brought me to this conclusion.

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post #206 of 457
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[quote]Originally posted by Mac Sack Black:
<strong>

Solid G4 evidence? Where? Conservative guesses are just as speculative as
optimistic guesses, something that SdC can't seem to understand, and
neither do you as it would appear.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

If you believe that, then no amount of rationality will ever light the inside of your dim head and make you see anything you don't want to believe.



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post #207 of 457
Be nice suckfuldotcom, some people can't help it if they have dim lights. Look at me :eek:

I think there will be a G5 this year. I know it doesn't make me dim, but I might be using the wrong wattage bulb :confused:

Then again, I may be using one of them fancy 5 year bulbs that are super energy efficient, (hmm, maybe it has a G5 in it too )
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post #208 of 457
[quote]Originally posted by suckfuldotcom:
<strong>

If you believe that, then no amount of rationality will ever light the inside of your dim head and make you see anything you don't want to believe.



SdC</strong><hr></blockquote>

Am I reading this correctly? You really think that conservative guesses are less speculative than optimistic guesses? Have you ever looked up what `speculative' means?
post #209 of 457
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Have you ever looked up what conservative means?

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post #210 of 457
[quote]Originally posted by suckfuldotcom:
<strong>Have you ever looked up what conservative means?

SdC</strong><hr></blockquote>

I do know what it means, but you can try dictionary.com just in case. Definition 3) fits my intended usage perfectly. Your point?
post #211 of 457
[quote] Not to pick on you Kid, but I think this is the kind of thing that stirs up the animosity between the two camps. Just because you can "provide a link", doesn't mean the link is worth anything - regardless of which stance the link benefits. People should be more careful in terms of posting something to be seen as "evidence". I know you were just showing yet another possibility, but...

...if everyone would only post links to information that is more or less concrete and verifiable...Motorola spokesperson comments, press releases, developer evidence, etc...things would be easier to discern. <hr></blockquote>

Sorry there big guy, but, mm, this is a rumor site and we are currently in the 'future hardware' section. What that really means is there isn't a lot of concrete and verifiable information, thus the rumors. If we could all post 100% reliable info and links, there'd be nothing to read or post here

Because you didn't link the article then I shouldn't post it here? Newsflash-I posted it for everyone and anyone who wants or cares to read it.

Sorry to pick on ya moogs
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post #212 of 457
According to my Random House College Dictionary, the 1st description for conservative is "disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., and to resist change."

Well, I've noticed that liberals get very conservative when you try to change or eliminate something that they put in place. They only want change when the results suit their ideals.

- Mark
post #213 of 457
[quote] Well, I've noticed that liberals get very conservative when you try to change or eliminate something that they put in place. They only want change when the results suit their ideals. <hr></blockquote>

hahaha, if you are going to make some leftist republican extremist freak statement like that about liberals, I suggest you offer up some concrete examples.

Otherwise you sound like a dumb deaf radio host
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post #214 of 457
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
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hahaha, if you are going to make some leftist republican extremist freak statement like that about liberals, I suggest you offer up some concrete examples.

Otherwise you sound like a dumb deaf radio host </strong><hr></blockquote>

Word.
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post #215 of 457
KidRed,

When the Republicans wanted to reform welfare a few years back, liberals spewed forth dire predictions of millions of people starving in the streets, etc.

Never happened.

"A fact to a liberal is like kryptonite to superman."

- Mark
post #216 of 457
Oh man, spoken like a true stubborn liberal.
post #217 of 457
Uh...what's a "Leftist Republican Extremist"?? I thought all Republican Extremists were by definition, decidedly NOT Leftist...



By the way Kid, I undertstand you just posted that link for everyone's posterity, but really it was nothing more than some guy's random opinion, which itseld did not seem to be based on anything factual. I know this is a rumor-heavy forum, my only point was some links and sources are more concrete / useful than others.

I thought yours was pretty useless, but God love ya for keeping the faith!

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post #218 of 457
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Go Libertarians!!!
post #219 of 457
[quote]Originally posted by sc_markt:
<strong>When the Republicans wanted to reform welfare a few years back, liberals spewed forth dire predictions of millions of people starving in the streets, etc.

Never happened.

"A fact to a liberal is like kryptonite to superman."

- Mark</strong><hr></blockquote>

You are so full of it, both liberals and conservatives are full of it. Neither side will compromise unless they have no alternative. They push their agenda's and spin statistics and comments in their favour. Nothing but lies and BS.

Give me a moderate (democrat or republican), we should actually start a third party and call it the Moderate Party since that is where the majority of American's fall politically. Until people are willing to use their brains instead of follow party lines at all costs this country will not move forward.

Since this forum is for future hardware, I should talk about something hardware.....................

I say we use the power of the G5 chip to create a lie detector we can put in a simple baseball cap with a red and green light on the front of the cap. We lobby hard and threaten politicians with their jobs until a law is passed that requires all politicians to wear the hat anytime they open their dirty lying lips.

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post #220 of 457
[quote] Uh...what's a "Leftist Republican Extremist"?? I thought all Republican Extremists were by definition, decidedly NOT Leftist...

<hr></blockquote>

My bad, I meant rightwing, I thought about editing. So the rolleyes is childish and immature

[quote]By the way Kid, I undertstand you just posted that link for everyone's posterity, but really it was nothing more than some guy's random opinion, which itseld did not seem to be based on anything factual. I know this is a rumor-heavy forum, my only point was some links and sources are more concrete / useful than others.

I thought yours was pretty useless, but God love ya for keeping the faith! <hr></blockquote>

And yet we live and die by what rumor sites say? Wow, so the difference between a rumor site and a guys opinion? How is an article on the register more concrete then a writer from a tech web site?

So is there requirements that a link to an article has to meet before I post it? The moogs concrete link code? If you don't want to read it, then don't, it's not that hard, really.
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post #221 of 457
The G5 pessimists make two mistakes:
-They think Motorola's roadmap is the holy bible. It is not, the roadmap is a: rarely updated, and b: whenever it is updated, it usually has totally different contents afterwards. The older ones among you may remember the evolution of the roadmap back in the 6xx times...A lot has changed there.
Personally I don't give a shit about what Motorola wrote in their roadmap half a year ago, they may long have totally revised everything.

Then
-Who says the G5 that is going to be used in Apple machines is being developed and produced by Motorola. It could as well be Apple, IBM or even AMD, you never know.

Well eventually see both the Apollo and the G5, question is only when and where. And no suckfuldotcom, you don't have a ****ing clue about that either.

G-News
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post #222 of 457
Pertaining to the conservative speculation versus optomistic speculating hubub that someone attempted to rationalize as being equivalent.

The idea of Apple putting a G4 Apollo in their next PM revision is an educated guess. The idea of Apple putting a G5 in is indeed speculation.

Pertaining to the right-wing wacko political remarks made by someone (I don't care to look).

If there is any political group who has the "Our way or the Highway" approach it is the Rebpublicans. Take a look at GWB. He likes to use the word compromise in his speeches, but doesn't like to use it in practice.

I especially like the Reps view of "facts". They seem to think that if they believe something, then it's a "fact" and thus if Liberals disagree then they are opposed to it like... Superman to Kryptonite... was that the analogy? Also, many Republicans seem to think that if someone like Rush says something, the bye-golly it must be a "fact." Or for that matter if they hear something on the Faux News Network, then it must be a "fact" as well. Remember that what you perceive as a fact is your own biased perception...and this cuts both ways.
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post #223 of 457
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[quote]Babbled out in a spew by G-News:
<strong>And no suckfuldotcom, you don't have a ****ing clue about that either.

G-News</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sez you. You are entitled to your opinion as to what I know and what I think I know.

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post #224 of 457
Please keep politics in AppleOutsider.

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post #225 of 457
[quote] They think Motorola's roadmap is the holy bible <hr></blockquote>

mm, no. Actually this one is better-
<a href="http://www.geek.com/procspec/apple/g5.htm" target="_blank">http://www.geek.com/procspec/apple/g5.htm</a>
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post #226 of 457
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>And yet we live and die by what rumor sites say?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Dude, relax about the rolleyes (no one was being childish). Good-natured sarcasm is hard to denote on a UBB system, so I did my level best to convey I was just razzin' ya about the Leftist Republican thing.

Anyway, in regard to the comment above...what's this "we" stuff? Lot's of people in here, myself included, don't buy into a word of what the rumor sites publish - unless there is some kind of legit data source accompanying it (almost never happens). Now, I'm not saying I think there will be a G5 or not -- I hope the optimistic side wins out to be sure -- but let's be honest about the rumor site stuff.

You Ultra Right-Wing Hippie, you!



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post #227 of 457
As far as Geek.com, what's the deal with them? Are they known to be a reliable source of hardware information

[edit]

...ironically, someone just forwarded me an email from the guy on geek.com's staff (Bob Hughes?)...do you want to know what Bob said in response to "where did you get your information?" Or do you maybe want to acknowledge that geek.com has no *clue* what comes next, anymore than we do?

Amazing how the internet makes legit publishers of everyone, eh?

Anyway, "peace out homey". I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, just making a point that nothing constructive results from basing your arguments on links like the two you've noted. You are, in fact, basing your arguments on the information you get from geek.com and similar sources, are you not?

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post #228 of 457
Could it be that Apple hasn't announced a "special event" because they are revealing earnings today? Once this day clears, might the "event we've all been waiting for" finally be posted? Hmmmmmmmmm.

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post #229 of 457
[quote] Dude, relax about the rolleyes (no one was being childish). Good-natured sarcasm is hard to denote on a UBB system, so I did my level best to convey I was just razzin' ya about the Leftist Republican thing. <hr></blockquote>

Sarcasim? I guess you didn't pick up on mine (notice my post called you childish and immature for using rolling eyes and yet I ended my post with it as well, hehe)

[quote] I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, just making a point that nothing constructive results from basing your arguments on links like the two you've noted. You are, in fact, basing your arguments on the information you get from geek.com and similar sources, are you not? <hr></blockquote>

Yes, yes I am. I am basing my opinion on everything I've read. The register, mosr, think secret, geek, eweek, macslash, macnn formus, macrumor forums, these forums and os opinion forums.

I am basing my thoughts and opinion on mulitple sources that are just as viable as any source you nay sayers have.

Change my mind. Show me one peice of concrete, clear cut, specific, exacting evidence that says plainly, "the next tower will house an Apollo (or G4) and the G5 is a pipe dream for a year or so".

Show me that. Otherwise I will conitue to post links to people's 'thought' for others to read and form thier own opinion as I have.

Conservative christian freak!

[added smiley so you don't think I'm mad]

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post #230 of 457
[quote]Originally posted by suckfuldotcom:
<strong>
Frequent responses:
</strong>
a) Oh, you're still here? I thought you were buying a PC.
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-&gt;Oh, still the same words at the end of each post. wonderful

[quote]
b) There is no G5. The 85xx generation of Motorola processors is not even scheduled to start sampling until later 2002. However, there is a new G4 coming. It's called Apollo (7460), and it will be out soon. So relax.
<hr></blockquote>
-&gt;Or: the 8540 processor is going to start sampling later than the G5 used in new Apple based systems!

[quote]
c) Remember that discussion of products announced at MWSF belongs in Current Hardware. Rants belong in General Discussion.
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Remember to remember that sentences like these belong to 'stupid comments' on suckful.com forums

[quote]
d) It's abbreviated "etc."!!! Not "ect."
<hr></blockquote>
right! things like that belong to future hardware.

sorry, suckful - just have to do this


and as far as we talk about the G5 - i think it will be there in 2002 ... i don't think apple will develop a new motherboard for apollo - the apollo is for:

a) next revisions of iMac2
b) next revisions of TiBook before it switches over to another G5-class proc
c) next revisions of iBook

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[quote]Originally posted by Krassy:
<strong>sorry, suckful - just have to do this
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Heh.

Heh.

He he.

Heh.

Suckfol, your siggy is getting infamous, no?
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post #232 of 457
[quote]Originally posted by Slacker:
<strong>The reason I believe we'll see a G5 in 2002 is that the original expected launch date was Q4 '01 or Q1 '02. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually, it was originally due in 2000, back when it was known as the G2000...
post #233 of 457
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>

hahaha, if you are going to make some leftist republican extremist freak statement like that about liberals... </strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually, the 'consevative' Repbublicans stance was once known as liberal. Today we call it classically liberal.

...actually, that probably does a better job of describing the Libertarians.

Go Libertarians!
post #234 of 457
[quote]'consevative' Repbublicans stance was once known as liberal <hr></blockquote>

That' not a contradiction? Or was it liberal to other extreme republican?

Oops, Yes! I hope we get a G(x) at 1.4ghz with new mobo, bus, DDR & modified case
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[quote]Originally posted by rickag:
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I'll bite. This confuses me, if you go to Motorola's website for products, all Power PC products are listed under the "embedded processor" section.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, this is true after their website redesign. Before that (and especially at the time of introduction of both the 7400 and 7450), they were in a "microprocessors" section. The G3 and G4 were announced as desktop processors originally, and the main point I was making is that there have been no dedicated embedded variants of those chips (unlike the 8540 vs. 8500).


[quote]<strong>
Didn't CISCO buy the the G474XX for routers? I could have sworn they bought the same processor as Apple, could be wrong, heck, maybe routers don't use embedded processors, not my area of expertise.</strong><hr></blockquote>

They did indeed.
Still, just because the non-speedstep Pentium III is often used in cheaper notebooks, that doesn't make it a notebook chip. Similarly, I'm not saying that the G3 and G4 cannot be used or are not used in embedded markets nowadays, but that they were originally designed as desktop processors, but because of their relatively low power consumption, some companies use them in embedded solutions today.

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To suckfuldotcom:

If you read through the Ars thread someone mentioned above, you'll discover something very interesting that should shatter your confidence in the lack of a G5:

The MPC8540 is available for sale right now.

<a href="http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC8540&nodeId=01M98655" target="_blank">Link to Motorola website where you can get the specs and even "Where to buy"</a>

Just thought you'd like to know. I have no idea how this impacts a possible PowerMac G5, other than it demolishes the one piece of factual evidence I've seen you rely on to counter the G5, the idea that the MPC8540 was not supposed to be taped out until the second half of this year. Clearly, Motorola has gotten ahead of schedule.

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[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>Conservative christian freak!
</strong><hr></blockquote>


*LOL*

Good one...I'm about as much a Jesus freak as Marilyn Manson is a wholesome roll model for today's youth...but even I can laugh at that.

Probably because my sister-in-law *is* a Conservative Christian Freak, or maybe freakishly conservative if one prefers.



An no I have nothing that proves the G5 is a pipe dream. Clearly it exists, but as far as implementation into Mac towers I still have my doubts. Motorola, for the past 24-30 months has done next to nothing to alleviate that doubt. Many expos have come and gone with our starry-eyed wishes trounced again and again, even though they get more reasonable each time just by virue of time itself passing us by with no substantive changes other than the G4e and a slight clock boost....

I admit I'm a pessimist when it comes to these things, but in the case, I have ample reason to be one. The odd thing is, when I do Google searches of various combinations of G5 terminology, inevitably every site (even foreign ones) seems to draw its venom from the Register, which is sad consideirng how completely wrong their recent articles have turned out to be.

I think their source is a total fraud as evidenced by their statements such as "our Motorola source, if indeed that is what he is". I mean if they can't even remotely varify, why get people's hopes up like that? I think what the Register did was borderline irresponsible. If they want to be a MOSR for the UK, fine...but I just think what they've done is lame. They've mislead everyone and not even tried to explain it or offer a retraction or new investigation.

They try to come off as a news and commentary site, but really I think stuff like this bears out how false the news part is. They're hype dressed as solid information IMO....

Hopefully we'll find out soon enough what's in store. Surprised no one pressed Apple on the conference call today in ways that might've gotten them to elaborate on their pro line strategy for 2002. If you think about it, after waiting for basically 12+ months for a legitimate upgrade they would be wise to just say

"Hey, we're working on the next generation of Power Macs. They will be significantly more powerful than any currently available in terms of processing capabilities, expandability, etc. They won't be ready until the second quarter of this calenday year, so in the meantime we're offering a new discount on the existing power mac line beyond, which is _______ ."


People would be so happy that Apple was straight with them for a change, and offered reason to buy the existing towers in the meantime. I mean the existing dual machine and high-end Mac are clocked slow by todays standards, but they're still pretty damn powerful considering what I can do with my puny G4/500, ya know? People would buy them now (or what's left in the channel) if Apple dropped each by a couple hundred bucks say. I don't know why they're so secretive, given how far behind schedule they really are.

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Well, I hate to admit, but now I'm starting to read more "G4s topping out at 1.4ghz and a dual 1.2ghz in the middle with possibly a dual 1.0ghz low end. Or something to that effect.

I want the G5, but i also understand it's as much a reality as the Apollo. So while I want a G5, I will expect a G4 on steroids at 1.4ghz.

Hopefully, it will be here soon, this waiting and not knowing is worse then getting a G4 instead of a G5.
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[quote]Originally posted by Shadow Knight:
<strong>To suckfuldotcom:

If you read through the Ars thread someone mentioned above, you'll discover something very interesting that should shatter your confidence in the lack of a G5:

The MPC8540 is available for sale right now.

<a href="http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC8540&nodeId=01M98655" target="_blank">Link to Motorola website where you can get the specs and even "Where to buy"</a>

Just thought you'd like to know. I have no idea how this impacts a possible PowerMac G5, other than it demolishes the one piece of factual evidence I've seen you rely on to counter the G5, the idea that the MPC8540 was not supposed to be taped out until the second half of this year. Clearly, Motorola has gotten ahead of schedule.

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Shadow Knight</strong><hr></blockquote>

I for one am four-square behind the G5-sooner-than-September banner, but I did some checking on this and I think it's bogus.

1) Moto has not issued a press release that it is available.
2) The "Where to buy" link is their generic link to Motorola suppliers in general, not specifically for the 8540.
3) I nosed around the websites of a couple of the listed suppliers:
<a href="http://www.newark.com" target="_blank">Newark</a> and <a href="http://www.arrow.com" target="_blank">Arrow</a>. I could find no mention of an MPC8540 anywhere (I even scrolled through their full lists of Moto microprocessors).

I'm not going to mess around with actually e-mailing Moto to see if it is available. It seems pretty clear to me that it isn't.

As an aside, I'm giving up on the G5 speculation in this and other threads. I remain convinced that G5s are coming relatively soon. However, SdC, Moogs, and a couple others seem so thoroughly intent on pissing on everyone's fun that it's just not interesting anymore. I have better things to do with my time.

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