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<a href="http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/main_news.cfm?NewsID=3890" target="_blank">http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/main_news.cfm?NewsID=3890</a>

Sorry, guys. Everyone can calm down now.
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Interesting article. But it does NOT say "Moto says no G5 in January." All it said was the G4 still has time left in it, and they don't pre-announce Apple products.

Couple of questions:
The G4 maxes out around 1Ghz? That's not a good sign for Apollo, is it?

The G5 has a .10 process, rapid I/O, 64-bit and 32-bit backward compatibility. That looks like it's not going to simply be Apollo renamed G5.
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If Apollo's celing is 1Ghz it probably will be for iMac and PowerBook and G5 for PowerMac.
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Well they're not specific. But they sure seem to be trying hard to downplay expectations. Reading between the lines, I'd say the G4 cracks the ghz barrier (just barely) in January.

Can anyone confirm whether Moto has successfully started manufacturing on the .1 micron process? I didn't think they had, but I could be very wrong. IMHO, that's the most telling part of the whole interview, making me think that the G5 won't be here until later in 2002...
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G4s will move into iMacs
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I will buy a 1Ghz G4 iMac as long as it sports higher than 1024x768 rez...
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1ghz iMac G4 in January? You must be shitting me! Dream on, hoss.
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[quote]Originally posted by Yow:
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Can anyone confirm whether Moto has successfully started manufacturing on the .1 micron process? </strong><hr></blockquote>

AFAIK, they aren't remotely close. They just cracked 0.13.

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I thought G5 was .13?
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[quote]Originally posted by TigerWoods99:
<strong>I thought G5 was .13?</strong><hr></blockquote>IIRC, there was some naming convention that Moto calls .13 what would usually be called .15, so maybe by .10 they really mean .13.

I don't remember the details, though. Help someone?
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I wonder if he's still using the Motorola way of measuring the process, which is different (and smaller) than everyone else's? I thought they'd given up on that, but maybe not.
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Just read the article. Motorola goes to great lengths to neither confirm nor deny the rumors. My guess is that the G5 PowerMacs will not be ready until late February or early March at the earliest and Apple is still deciding what to do. Should they pre-announce the G5 at MWSF or introduce one last round of G4 PowerMacs first?

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If you saw "All The President's Men", the standard comment they got from Nixon's cronies was what they referred to as "the non-denial denial". Meaning, a comment that sounded like a denial, but when you analyzed what was actually said, it turned out not to be.

This "denial" from Moto is really a "non-denial". They COULD have flat-out said, "No G5 in the near future." What they actually said was, "We don't want to spoil any of Apple's product announcements," which implies (to me anyway) that there actually is a product to be announced soon by Apple. It may not be a G5 Mac, but there appears to be something afoot. MWSF should be rather intersting, in any event.

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Maybe I read a different article but that sounded really good to me. They talked positively about the G5 and then said 'we can't comment on how Apple will apply this technology" or "we can't discuss their product releases".

When they said the G4 had potential then followed up with Sisco likes the chip. Nothing about or eluding to Apple using the chip in Jan. The speed increase would only be 67mhz?

I think it's a good sign
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post #15 of 54
I've been TELLING you snapperheads this for weeks now.

But does anyone listen to me? Nooooooo...

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Telling us what? That there will be a G5 in January or won't be? If the G4 tops out at only 1Ghz as Motorola suggested then it would be about time for it to move into the iMac line and the G5 to take over the PowerMac line.

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I've simply been saying to pull back the reins a bit on these G5 fever dreams.

Some of you guys are going to be very sad and disappointed come MWSF.
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After reading the article I actually feel that there is an even better chance of seeing the G5 in January. I'm still not counting on it but there is hope...

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post #19 of 54
There's not actually a denial in the article.

"I don't want to fan the flames ..." != no G5


The only strange thing is that Mot says

-Lots of headroom on the G4

-G4 will max to 1GHz.

One of these statements is not true, in my estimation.
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There might be an announcement of the G5 in January and there might even be a demo of a G5 OS X 2.0 in January, but I wouldn't look for a release until mid year. It will take at least that long to proof the G5, to tweak the OS and to ramp up the approved G5s for production. Considering that a great many other changes will be in store such as faster bus speeds and memory changes June seems a more realistic date for shipping. As a matter of fact the G5 may be introduced as a server prior to a top end consumer solution to start with.

What you can look forward to in January is some form of updated iMac with a top end G3 in the above GHZ range and a dual G4 at a GHZ with a faster bus speed. Just my opionion and it is worth about as much as everyone elses conjectures. :cool:
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[quote]Originally posted by ac2c:
<strong>There might be an announcement of the G5 in January and there might even be a demo of a G5 OS X 2.0 in January, but I wouldn't look for a release until mid year. It will take at least that long to proof the G5, to tweak the OS and to ramp up the approved G5s for production. Considering that a great many other changes will be in store such as faster bus speeds and memory changes June seems a more realistic date for shipping. As a matter of fact the G5 may be introduced as a server prior to a top end consumer solution to start with.

What you can look forward to in January is some form of updated iMac with a top end G3 in the above GHZ range and a dual G4 at a GHZ with a faster bus speed. Just my opionion and it is worth about as much as everyone elses conjectures. :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>


The arguement to that is why anounce a G5 if you hope to sell G4s? Why would anyone buy a G4 when they just showed you the awesome G5 which is coming very soon? Either the G5 shows or it doesn't. I don't seem Apple announcing if it isn't ready yet.
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And to add to the conjecture here take a look at this from <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/23078.html" target="_blank">TheRegister</a>.

G5's are just around the corner if this article is right.

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[quote]And to add to the conjecture here take a look at this from TheRegister.
G5's are just around the corner if this article is right.

COOL!! <hr></blockquote>

ummm... nevermind

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[quote]Originally posted by ac2c:
<strong>There might be an announcement of the G5 in January and there might even be a demo of a G5 OS X 2.0 in January, but I wouldn't look for a release until mid year. It will take at least that long to proof the G5, to tweak the OS and to ramp up the approved G5s for production. Considering that a great many other changes will be in store such as faster bus speeds and memory changes June seems a more realistic date for shipping. As a matter of fact the G5 may be introduced as a server prior to a top end consumer solution to start with.

What you can look forward to in January is some form of updated iMac with a top end G3 in the above GHZ range and a dual G4 at a GHZ with a faster bus speed. Just my opionion and it is worth about as much as everyone elses conjectures. :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>

WHAT?????

I don't know how much you know about chips and their release but it sure as heck isn't going to take 6 months to "proof" it. As a chip is designed and fabbed it is released to those who are going to use it, so they can test it for bugs, errata, etc.... When they discover problems they alter the chip to correct it, that is why you see proto revs (0.1, 0.2, 0.3, etc...). When they Gold Master a chip it is "ready" to be used in products. They still may find bugs, but for the most part they aren't significant (once in a while you'll find one like the Intel deal).

The article looks like a no confirm, no deny statement. I know from my few Mot sources that the G5 will be ready in Q1, but no date was given. My first guess was late Feb, early March, but now I lean more towards a Jan release.

If the G4 only tops at 1GHz as said then I would say they switch now. You can't switch the iMac/book line over and have no headroom. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see the Mac lineup look like this after the expo:

PowerMac G5 (1GHz to 1.4GHz)
PowerBook G4 (667MHz & 800MHz)
iMac G4 (500MHz to 700MHz) maybe still a G3 low end model.
iBook G3 (600MHz & 700MHz)

This of course all hinges on the G5, but it's my guess (remember the word GUESS).

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First the guy says that the G4 has lots of headroom left, then he says it should top out at 1 GHz.

I don't know about you all, but I wouldn't consider 1 GHz lots of headroom with the current G4s at 867 MHz. It sounds to me like Apple better find a new CPU if they want any chance at all in competing with Wintel.
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For me, the clincher is AtAT's attitude. They have an excellent track record on their predictions over the past year or so. They have been very quick to diss bogus rumors - for example, the flat panel iMac at MWNY. They're almost never the first to start a rumor, but they seem to have a source who will tell them "yea" or "nay" pretty accurately.

Based on their last couple of episodes, they seem to be taking the G5 rumor quite seriously. They are embracing the 1.2 - 1.6 gig range with 1.0 - 1.4 as a fallback. If it was BS, they'd be saying so. I'm convinced the G5 is for real at MWSF.

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Bozo the Clown wrote:
The only strange thing is that Mot says

-Lots of headroom on the G4

-G4 will max to 1GHz.

Obviously the answer with the G4 is not clock speed. Remember back to when the G4 was still being developed. From the begining Moto was talking about Multi-Core G4's. Apple is already putting two of the chips in a lot of machines. It makes sence for both Apple and Moto to build a 4x1Ghz G4. Okay so I agree that we'll probobly see dualies first. Could you just imagine Good, better, Best configs? 1Ghz, 2x1Ghz, and 4x1Ghz. That would work very well with the pricing structure. Apple to often falls victim of making the "fastest" mac proportionally to expensive.
To me it just seems like the most logical solution at the moment. My question is Cisco interested in multi-core cpu's? only to sweeten the deal..

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The thing that makes me a little edgy is the fact that all these Register and Mosr rumors are coming from the same source. If they where getting info from 2 different people, then I would be more inclinded to beleive it.

Well if you see a G5 rumor on Cnet the day before expo its prolly will come.
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You guys are being zealously blind. The man from Motorola clearly says "don't get your hopes up" about the G5 so soon.

Like my grand-daddy says, "if it sounds too good to be true, then it is not true".

1Ghz or more G4s for MWSF and that's it folks! Be happy, at least we're not stuck at 500Mhz still.

[quote] However, Clark wanted to mollify speculation of a G5.
<hr></blockquote>

and

[quote]Clark warned that Motorola "doesn't want to fan the flames of expectation".
<hr></blockquote>

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[quote]Originally posted by NeoMac:
<strong>You guys are being zealously blind. The man from Motorola clearly says "don't get your hopes up" about the G5 so soon.

Like my grand-daddy says, "if it sounds too good to be true, then it is not true".

1Ghz or more G4s for MWSF and that's it folks! Be happy, at least we're not stuck at 500Mhz still.



[ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: NeoMac ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

...And I think they forgot "we don't want Steve bitch slapping us silly for implying anything to the contrary."
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Problems with the rumors:

They are EXACTLY what we want to hear. If I had to make a a rumor, this would be it. No one would bother making up a rumor saying the new machines would be 1.0GHz, cause that would be boring, nor would anyone make up a rumor saying we were going to have 2.4GHz processors, since that's not believeable. This falls in at the far end of believable.

The details provided are vague but designed to inspire confidence (chips per wafer, performance scores, revision numbers, etc) but cannot be independently verified and are easy enough to pull out of thin air.

Third, where is this info appearing: MacOSRumors and The Register. Two places that print anything. The fact that these two publications are also among the least likely to bother verifying information before publication should speak for itself.

Fourth, why would anyone with real info taking the risk by leaking stuff to MOSR?
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The article seems to imply that th eG5 will not be good at symetrical multiprocessing . . . .

is this true, no Dual G5s in the future? anybody know about this?
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I think the rumors on MOSR & Register are highly doubtful, at best.

I think there is a Wintel user out there jerking our collective chain around and trying to ensue disappointment in Apple among the Mac faithful. (Conspiracy theorists unite!

My signature explains pretty much how I see this whole mess.

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Is Motoman back on these boards yet?
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[quote]Originally posted by pscates:
<strong>Some of you guys are going to be very sad and disappointed come MWSF.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So basically it will be like most Expos?

All I can say is it's going to be a long, hard month. It'll be tough ignoring the hype, but I'll be trying hard to do just that. If you have low expectations, you'll certainly be happy...
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Shess. Apple's pro hardware is soooo damn stale right now. Seriously, PC 133? 133mhz FSB? Come on...the rest of the industry moved on a long time ago. Apple NEEDS a major motherboard revision and a CPU upgrade very very soon. Time ran out 8 months ago.

I'm failry sure Moto has begun to start pumping out CPUs for apple. Hell they have already started dumping "g5" stuff into phat routers and whatnot. The technology is ready.

Moreover, hyper transport is ready as well. AMD is starting to use it. Their's your faster bus speeds right there..

All of this major next-gen technology is DONE being developed. You can purchase many hardware solutions that are incorporating it right now. Don't be surprised if Apple starts to clear the channel of G4s in a month. Apple simply needs to put the peices of the puzzle togther and stick it in case with a door.
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[quote]Originally posted by neutrino23:
<strong>Is Motoman back on these boards yet?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Good question neutrino. This is something I have been wondering for some time as well.

Anyone see Motoman?
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Maybe he's hard at work trying to get the G5 out for an Q1 02 release?
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Originally posted by Bozo the Clown:
[quote]Problems with the rumors:

They are EXACTLY what we want to hear. [..] This falls in at the far end of believable.
<hr></blockquote>

This is what bothers me too. It sounds like it could just be true, its not obvious bullshit.

If you think about how likely it is that Moto (of all companies) is able to pull the stunt of doubling the clocking, you cannot avoid feeling this is a bit far-fetched, however.
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[quote]Originally posted by Smircle:
<strong>Originally posted by Bozo the Clown:


If you think about how likely it is that Moto (of all companies) is able to pull the stunt of doubling the clocking, you cannot avoid feeling this is a bit far-fetched, however.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Doubling the clock speed is not a big deal when you think about it. It's an entire new core, so they can avoid design issues that hampered the G4, and it's got a 10 stage pipeline (the original G4 had 4 and the newer G4's have 7). How did Intel go to warp speed on the P4???? The pumped the crap out of the pipeline!!! The good thing with the G5 is that it is supposed to outperform the G4 clock cycle for cycle plus the extended MHz, whereas the P4 is slower cycle for cycle than the P3.

I guarantee you will see a PowerMac G5 in the Q1-02, my source says no doubt about it. He just doesn't have a date. However my opinion is that if he is so sure Q1 than I would believe earlier Q1 so if something caused the date to slip, you could still get it out later in the quarter.
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