Expelled - Ben Stein's creationism movie - Page 3

And we still have absolutely zero specifics about how conservatives are oppressed on campus. We have an accusation that grades were lowered, but nothing that actually shows it, no one can even point to a single assignment that received an unfair grade. Hell, I can do that in a class taught by Robert Jensen, a professor with whom I had a great relationship.

And then ideological hostility... welcome to fucking college. I couldn't stroll through the West Mall without having someone shouting something at someone else about Freeing Tibetan whales or ending the infant holocaust. I don't remember thinking or expecting professors and classmates to treat all ideas with equal respect. Some ideas are fucking stupid and deserve scorn. If someone walked up to you and said that Jesus Christ married his own mother and that the first Catholic pope was their inbred child would you nod your head considerately and say, "I might not think you're right, but by god I respect the depth of your argumentation."? No, you dismiss it in a flippant way and move on to Big Boy Talk. And later, while drunk, you laugh about it while you tell your friends.

If you're going to tell an expert that their understanding of their specific subject matter is wrong you should have a reason besides, "I mean, like, you should be open minded... you know?"

So we have nothing to show actual repression of thought and speech; nothing to show actual oppression of right-wing ideas, but we still call them "thugs".


What else do they have (on this issue)?

A false sense of victimization, of martyrdom, is all they have. They don't have evidence, they don't have a verifiable methodology, so they look into their religion and see the justification of public, sanctimonious martyrdom. And if they can't find someone to martyr them, they squirt ketchup on their shirt and pretend that they've been stabbed. ("OH! I think a professor might have said something insulting to me when I said that the earth was only 6000 years old and the Grand Canyon was formed by noah's flood. THE OPPRESSION! I'm basically like a Nazi Holocaust victim!")

Jubelum:


As I already said, an unfairly graded assignment.


You haven't shown that professors do not impartially tolerate other worldviews. To me, that only applies to grades. Class discussion is another issue, because if you've got one person trying to dominate class time with unfounded ideas then it's a waste of everyone else's time so one nut can dance on his soapbox. That class time isn't your time, it's the professor's time. That's why he's at the front of the room and you're in the seat. Perhaps you just have a fundamental misunderstanding of what a classroom is.


If you could just say, "I had papers unfairly graded." that would be something specific, if loose and subjective.

Just say that and you will have made a meaningful statement at last.


I'm sure it does happen, but I have no reason to believe it is statistically significant. Some teachers rape students. All kinds of things happens in academia. I don't give a shit about it if it isn't something systemic, because we could all just cry about the individual professors that didn't like us.