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post #121 of 150
good posts, photoeditor and the last one matt - this kind of discussion is more meaningful than calling for change for change's sake.

as someone who still has a running pismo at home, i much prefer the ports being at the back of the machine rather than on the side, and whilst not backlit the keys feel better under-finger.

with the number of iterations and refinement of the PB/MPB design it will be interesting to see where the changes are made when the re-design eventually comes. it would be a challenging project, i think.

on a superficial level i feel the current design is getting 'tired' (though less superficially regarding the keyboard) and that even a simple black option would be a positive - though would have made sense when black MBs and black ipods first were released rather than as a last gasp. end-of-the-line gimmick which it would appear as now.

again, addressing things superficially there are many options as someone mentioned before about covers, cases, case mods. i am thinking of getting something from here: http://www.gelaskins.com/
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post #122 of 150
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Apple's designs have evolved over the years. That's a good thing. Those old designs all had some problem that people complained about, or would break, or would be flimsey, and so on.

With the aluminum enclosures, Apple has elimunated these problems with a design that does look very good, and somewhat timeless.The only problem has been the wireless range, but, as i've said, that's been improved several times.

Not only is this design elderly, it's also chintzy. Paint rubs off, wrist rests wear, covers scratch. It's never been a great laptop design in terms of quality, reliability or usability, and it's time to retire it.

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I also asked you to give some idea of what you think Apple should be doing to both improve the case, and make it look better to your eyes, but you haven't done that.

Sorry I didn't snap-to to fulfill your demands. But I've done this over and over again, read above if you still want to know.

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While I would like Apple to continue being known for great design, I want that design to mean something. Change for changes sake, which you are demanding is always a bad thing.

I have no idea what you mean. It's time for a change, period.

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If that's your only reason, it isn't enough. You shold be impressing your coworkers with how well the machine works, not how cool the new design is.

Sorry but that's not correct. It's my money and my reasons are enough, period.

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Buy an Air. That looks different. Silver and all.

MBA is worthless to me. I need a travel laptop. MBA is for people who fly first class only, or like Steve, have a corporate jet. I don't have that luxury, unfortunately, so I need a workman-like laptop, something with a replaceable battery.
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post #123 of 150
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as someone who still has a running pismo at home, i much prefer the ports being at the back of the machine rather than on the side, and whilst not backlit the keys feel better under-finger.

You know what, I remember my Wall Street, my Lombard & my Pismo machines and you're right, ports are more convenient on the back for long term use. It keeps the cables out of the way, and if you use a dock, it's not in your way, eating up desk space where you'd be working.

However, if you just want to plug in a USB drive, having the ports on the side makes it a little more convenient.

Personally, I can use it either way, as long as there are an adequate number of IO. I think the MBA with it's one lone USB port is a bad joke.

If Apple added upgraded graphics to the BlackBook, and removed the DVD drive to reduce weight, it would be the ideal Macintosh portable, maybe the best ever made. I would not want to be forced back into a metal laptop again, and have my WiFi range reduced, I've just gotten too spoiled
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post #124 of 150
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If Apple added upgraded graphics to the BlackBook, and removed the DVD drive to reduce weight, it would be the ideal Macintosh portable, maybe the best ever made. I would not want to be forced back into a metal laptop again, and have my WiFi range reduced, I've just gotten too spoiled

Yeah the DVD drive really takes up a huge amount of space in a 13" laptop. I'm not sure I'd like to see it removed though unless there was an adequate replacement. I guess the bus-powered USB drive they have would do though.

If removing the optical drive means including better graphics chips and more USB ports, I'm all for it. But metal is still the way forward, the Macbook is the only product they have left that's plastic.

The keys are an issue though. If they have colored MBs, how do they color the keys? They'll have to be painted plastic, which isn't good or solid metal, which will be expensive.

If they get white and black anodised aluminium, that would work with the keyboards they have now and still maintain a degree of separation from the MBPs and they could backlight the black keyboard to help justify the premium.
post #125 of 150
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Yeah the DVD drive really takes up a huge amount of space in a 13" laptop. I'm not sure I'd like to see it removed though unless there was an adequate replacement. I guess the bus-powered USB drive they have would do though.

I had an external LaCie FireWire DVD player/burner years ago, and it worked great. Much faster throughput than USB. An external 1394 Super Drive for $179 is all you'd need - or better, a BluRay burner & player + Super Drive. I have never used the DVD drive in my BlackBook while traveling... ever. I'm just carrying around dead weight for no apparent reason.

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If removing the optical drive means including better graphics chips and more USB ports, I'm all for it. But metal is still the way forward, the Macbook is the only product they have left that's plastic.

I don't want metal if I can get something else. I don't want my WiFi signal trimmed again. I've grown too spoiled with my plastic MacBook. My wife's MBP 15" - 8 months old - can't see half the networks I can, and I can sit on the deck and play backgammon on Fibs (with 3 airport bars)... while her MBP can't get a signal. Please, Apple, please don't make me give up my WiFi signal again!!!! However, if I get screwed & it's metal now, I hope at least it's not more silver sameness.

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The keys are an issue though. If they have colored MBs, how do they color the keys? They'll have to be painted plastic, which isn't good or solid metal, which will be expensive.

Simple: mold colored plastic or just go with black keyboards. The painted silver ones on those chintzy Al laptops have their paint peel off all the time anyway. I'd use solid plastic with color adders in the mold. Painting is the cheap and crappy way to do things.

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If they get white and black anodised aluminium, that would work with the keyboards they have now and still maintain a degree of separation from the MBPs and they could backlight the black keyboard to help justify the premium.

Don't care, really. Never used the lighted keyboard on my last 3 Pro's, don't miss it. All I want is better graphics and lighter weight. Seriously, I don't think Apple has ever considered the MacBook as a travel companion but it could be easily modified to be one of the best road warrior machines on the market.

It would not steal sales from the Air, because that unit is not designed for travel, it's designed for uh, uh, thinness, I guess. It's designed specifically for people who don't have much vertical space to spare, evidently. But it's definitely not a travel machine.
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post #126 of 150
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Originally Posted by matt_s View Post

Not only is this design elderly, it's also chintzy. Paint rubs off, wrist rests wear, covers scratch. It's never been a great laptop design in terms of quality, reliability or usability, and it's time to retire it.

Are we talking about the same thing? There isn't any paint. It's anodized aluminum.

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Sorry I didn't snap-to to fulfill your demands. But I've done this over and over again, read above if you still want to know.

Well, I see you've finally responded on that to someone else.

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I have no idea what you mean. It's time for a change, period.

That's the problem. It's not time for a changeperiod. That's one of the sillist things to say.

Change just to change?

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Sorry but that's not correct. It's my money and my reasons are enough, period.

It is your money, and you should spend it the way you want.

But, as you chose to make this into a public complaint, it's no longer just your business. You've made it all of our business.

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MBA is worthless to me. I need a travel laptop. MBA is for people who fly first class only, or like Steve, have a corporate jet. I don't have that luxury, unfortunately, so I need a workman-like laptop, something with a replaceable battery.

It was a figurative statement. You've given little for your needs to change, other than for fashion, so I brought that up.
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Yeah the DVD drive really takes up a huge amount of space in a 13" laptop. I'm not sure I'd like to see it removed though unless there was an adequate replacement. I guess the bus-powered USB drive they have would do though.

If removing the optical drive means including better graphics chips and more USB ports, I'm all for it. But metal is still the way forward, the Macbook is the only product they have left that's plastic.

The keys are an issue though. If they have colored MBs, how do they color the keys? They'll have to be painted plastic, which isn't good or solid metal, which will be expensive.

If they get white and black anodised aluminium, that would work with the keyboards they have now and still maintain a degree of separation from the MBPs and they could backlight the black keyboard to help justify the premium.

While anodized aluminum is rare, and very expensive. It also marks easily.
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While anodized aluminum is rare, and very expensive. It also marks easily.

A hard anodized aluminum flashlight doesn't scratch even when putting it in a pocket with keys.
post #129 of 150
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A hard anodized aluminum flashlight doesn't scratch even when putting it in a pocket with keys.

White anodizing does mark, as I've said. Most anodizing is not "hard". That's a term reserved for anodizing used for tools, and other surfaces getting severe use. Most anodizing is much thinner.

While the anodized surface can be up to 73 in Rockwell hardness, the soft aluminum substrate indents, damaging the surface.

I have several Maglights, and they are all scratched from use.
post #130 of 150
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White anodizing does mark, as I've said.

Ah. You meant "white". You said "while".
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Most anodizing is not "hard". That's a term reserved for anodizing used for tools, and other surfaces getting severe use. Most anodizing is much thinner.

While the anodized surface can be up to 73 in Rockwell hardness, the soft aluminum substrate indents, damaging the surface.

I have several Maglights, and they are all scratched from use.

And I have a Surefire with Type III anodizing. No scratches.
post #131 of 150
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Ah. You meant "white". You said "while".And I have a Surefire with Type III anodizing. No scratches.

Sorry for the typo. Spellcheck doesn't always help.

Good for you. Type II simply means a "hard" anodized surface. It's a pretty simple, and basic, process. I even made an anodizing machine for my shop. I've done type I, II, and III, with coloring, and without.

http://www.walgren.com/anodizing-systems.html
post #132 of 150
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Type II simply means a "hard" anodized surface. It's a pretty simple, and basic, process. I even made an anodizing machine for my shop. I've done type I, II, and III, with coloring, and without.

http://www.walgren.com/anodizing-systems.html

Nice!

Anyway, is there some reason Type III should not be used on laptops? Are color options limited?
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Nice!

Anyway, is there some reason Type III should not be used on laptops? Are color options limited?

Oh no! It should be used there! But, it's more expensive, and I don't know what Apple spec's. I could tell with a scratch test, but most people, for some reason, won't allow that.

I have almost 20 different dyes here for this purpose.

Type II and II are best for coloring, because the anodized surface is thicker.

The way anodizing works is to build up an oxidized surface.

It's pretty amazing, and lucky, the way this happens. If you look down upon the surface from above with a microscope, it will look like honeycomb. The oxide builds up and down into the surface, with a crystalline structure that is hollow, just like honeycomb.

Natural color anodizing is just the anodized surface, with the top of the open crystals sealed, with either boiling water, for most home use, or nickel acetate, which I use, and is used in industry, but needs very good ventilation.

Coloring this just means that before the sealing step, the aluminum is put into a bath of dye, or colorant. It absorbs the dye into the pores of the surface, and is then sealed.

The thicker coat of the type II and II processes allow thicker layers of dye, and a brighter, more saturated color. As anodizing does wear down over time, the thicker the layer, the longer it will last. But, you can see lighter areas on anodized surfaces caused by something rubbing the surface over time.
post #134 of 150
@ Matt_s

The first link is an example of a high end addition plating of a MBA from Custom Choopers, a link I supplied to you earlier.
http://www.engadget.com/photos/gold-...ok-air/765949/
This link is an interesting story about Jobs opinion of the Segwaythen known as Gingerwhen Kamden was demoing it for a few big wigs. Has good insight into the how and why of Apple product releases.
http://hbswk.hbs.edu/archive/3533.htm
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post #135 of 150
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The first link is an example of a high end addition plating of a MBA from Custom Choopers, a link I supplied to you earlier.http://www.engadget.com/photos/gold-...ok-air/765949/

I appreciate it but no thanks, that's not what I'm looking for nor does it interest me. I've been very plain and upfront about what I want, and precisely why I think Apple has been laying down on the job. It's time for Apple to reclaim their supposed design leadership role, and give us something new.

Otherwise, it's just more of Think Same.
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post #136 of 150
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I appreciate it but no thanks, that's not what I'm looking for nor does it interest me. I've been very plain and upfront about what I want, and precisely why I think Apple has been laying down on the job. It's time for Apple to reclaim their supposed design leadership role, and give us something new.

Otherwise, it's just more of Think Same.

Dude... what is your problem? If you don' t like the designs then.... go to the dark side and buy an ugly Dell. I don't understand why you're complaining like you don't have a choice. In life everything is either black and white. You either pick black or you pick white. None of us will ever be 100% happy about anything.

Why don't you compare today's macbook with the macbook from a decade ago? Huge difference. If I were you, I would be happy with a computer that just works. Hey! At least you have a mac and it just works right?

I don't know if anyone should actually feel sorry for you because you don't like Apple's laptop designs. I feel sorry for millions of PC users who have thousands of thing to complain about-- technical things. I don't think I've ever met a PC users who complain about ugly laptop designs or desktop computer designs. They just want a computer just works that works, and PC doesn't work like it's supposed to. Whatever laptop you have, it just works right? Then get over your hatred for aluminum.
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Dude... what is your problem? If you don' t like the designs then.... go to the dark side and buy an ugly Dell. I don't understand why you're complaining like you don't have a choice. In life everything is either black and white. You either pick black or you pick white. None of us will ever be 100% happy about anything.

Why don't you compare today's macbook with the macbook from a decade ago? Huge difference. If I were you, I would be happy with a computer that just works. Hey! At least you have a mac and it just works right?

I don't know if anyone should actually feel sorry for you because you don't like Apple's laptop designs. I feel sorry for millions of PC users who have thousands of thing to complain about-- technical things. I don't think I've ever met a PC users who complain about ugly laptop designs or desktop computer designs. They just want a computer just works that works, and PC doesn't work like it's supposed to. Whatever laptop you have, it just works right? Then get over your hatred for aluminum.

OMG, you're so remarkably strange. Dude, why would I buy a Dell?

You're talking to a guy who has purchased well over 400 total laptops from Apple since my first 165. You've bought what, 5? 10? 20? C'mon. You don't even belong in this conversation, and yet you're giving me shit about buying a Dell. How dare you, punk?

Why do you give Apple a free pass when they stopped designing laptops 6-7-8 years ago?

You don't know if you should feel sorry or not for me? Oh my heavens, my heart is broken. I'm crying now. Sob sob. How old are you,really?

Get real, dude. Apple stopped doing shit and I'm taking them to the woodshed about it. Tough poopy you don't like it but you cannot deny the singular fact that the elderly Aluminum laptop you can buy today looks eerily like the same aluminum laptop you used to own in 2003.

BOR - - ING!

Year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year Apple dishes out the same boring crap all the time. How can you NOT BE SICK OF THIS SHIT??????? How? How is this possible? Where did we get off the highway, man?

What's up dude? Are you sleeping or dead?????? No, I forgot, you're just happy with a computer that works. As I've said before in this forum, that's awesome that you don't expect much from Apple, because then you'll never be disappointed.

But young goofball, tell me, please, how is this good? How is this good for you and me and our long term desire to continue to buy Mac laptops? You're looking at today, not tomorrow.

Let's either get on with the new or just admit to ourselves we're stuck in a multiple year deep rut of zero design and we should all lay down, sigh to ourselves and Think Same.

The new Apple slogan: THINK SAME. That's what we're now all about, man.
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OMG, you're so remarkably strange. Dude, why would I buy a Dell?

You're talking to a guy who has purchased well over 400 total laptops from Apple since my first 165. You've bought what, 5? 10? 20? C'mon. You don't even belong in this conversation, and yet you're giving me shit about buying a Dell. How dare you, punk?

Why do you give Apple a free pass when they stopped designing laptops 6-7-8 years ago?

You don't know if you should feel sorry or not for me? Oh my heavens, my heart is broken. I'm crying now. Sob sob. How old are you,really?

Get real, dude. Apple stopped doing shit and I'm taking them to the woodshed about it. Tough poopy you don't like it but you cannot deny the singular fact that the elderly Aluminum laptop you can buy today looks eerily like the same aluminum laptop you used to own in 2003.

BOR - - ING!

Year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year Apple dishes out the same boring crap all the time. How can you NOT BE SICK OF THIS SHIT??????? How? How is this possible? Where did we get off the highway, man?

What's up dude? Are you sleeping or dead?????? No, I forgot, you're just happy with a computer that works. As I've said before in this forum, that's awesome that you don't expect much from Apple, because then you'll never be disappointed.

But young goofball, tell me, please, how is this good? How is this good for you and me and our long term desire to continue to buy Mac laptops? You're looking at today, not tomorrow.

Let's either get on with the new or just admit to ourselves we're stuck in a multiple year deep rut of zero design and we should all lay down, sigh to ourselves and Think Same.

The new Apple slogan: THINK SAME. That's what we're now all about, man.

I bet a doctor could prescribe you something nice.
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OMG, you're so remarkably strange. Dude, why would I buy a Dell?

You're talking to a guy who has purchased well over 400 total laptops from Apple since my first 165. You've bought what, 5? 10? 20? C'mon. You don't even belong in this conversation, and yet you're giving me shit about buying a Dell. How dare you, punk?

Why do you give Apple a free pass when they stopped designing laptops 6-7-8 years ago?

You don't know if you should feel sorry or not for me? Oh my heavens, my heart is broken. I'm crying now. Sob sob. How old are you,really?

Get real, dude. Apple stopped doing shit and I'm taking them to the woodshed about it. Tough poopy you don't like it but you cannot deny the singular fact that the elderly Aluminum laptop you can buy today looks eerily like the same aluminum laptop you used to own in 2003.

BOR - - ING!

Year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year Apple dishes out the same boring crap all the time. How can you NOT BE SICK OF THIS SHIT??????? How? How is this possible? Where did we get off the highway, man?

What's up dude? Are you sleeping or dead?????? No, I forgot, you're just happy with a computer that works. As I've said before in this forum, that's awesome that you don't expect much from Apple, because then you'll never be disappointed.

But young goofball, tell me, please, how is this good? How is this good for you and me and our long term desire to continue to buy Mac laptops? You're looking at today, not tomorrow.

Let's either get on with the new or just admit to ourselves we're stuck in a multiple year deep rut of zero design and we should all lay down, sigh to ourselves and Think Same.

The new Apple slogan: THINK SAME. That's what we're now all about, man.

Apple's slogan: Think Different. Your Slogan: I'm A Bit*h!

So your're all sarcastic about crying????? Dude I think you ARE crying.

You complain about Apple's....um... how did that go.... oh, boring designs.... how did that go again... oh, Year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year.

Guess what dude... you complain thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread .

It's hard for anyone around here to understand why you think Apple's designs are boring. I think most of us can agree that your threads are boring also. If you don't like your aluminum laptop then smack yourself in the face with it. Apple's sales number is the perfect reason why we shouldn't listen to whiners like you. It's real simple... if you don't like the product, don't buy it. One less guy not buying Apple's laptop won't hurt their sales. Obviously you've got too much time on your hands, coming here and complain when you could've spray painted your laptop a thousand different colors. My advice to you... quit buying too many laptops, save your money and get yourself a psychiatrist.

I hope Apple keeps pissi*g you off.
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Matt seems to be very shallow. He just cares about looks. He doesn't really listen to any of the reasons we present. He says, sure, butthey have to look different.

That's all it comes down to. I'm finding it more difficult every post to believe his statements on how many Mac's he's bought, and am beginning to wonder if he's just a troll.
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The thicker coat of the type II and II processes allow thicker layers of dye, and a brighter, more saturated color. As anodizing does wear down over time, the thicker the layer, the longer it will last. But, you can see lighter areas on anodized surfaces caused by something rubbing the surface over time.

Hi Melgross;

It is obvious from this post that you have done a bit of anodizing but one thing comes up with respect to things like covers on an iPhone. That issue is the thickness of the base material, would you not run the risk of making thin materials brittle if attempting to anodizing the part heavily?

This is just anecdotal but when working with thin anodized pats I often find that they have a brittle quality to them. I always thought this was the result of not enough base material being left with respect to the hardened anodized surface.

Anyways Aluminum does seem to be a fad with Apple so I don't expect it to go away anytime soon. Personally I prefer plastic. Especially something like injection molded Ultem.

Dave
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Hi Melgross;

It is obvious from this post that you have done a bit of anodizing but one thing comes up with respect to things like covers on an iPhone. That issue is the thickness of the base material, would you not run the risk of making thin materials brittle if attempting to anodizing the part heavily?

This is just anecdotal but when working with thin anodized pats I often find that they have a brittle quality to them. I always thought this was the result of not enough base material being left with respect to the hardened anodized surface.

Anyways Aluminum does seem to be a fad with Apple so I don't expect it to go away anytime soon. Personally I prefer plastic. Especially something like injection molded Ultem.

Dave

Absolutely!

It's interesting that honeycomb floors are used in airplanes because of strength. And anodizing gives us a structure that's almost the same, but lacks the layer on top of the honeycomb for that strength, so it is brittle.

I keep telling people here that anodizing isn't impervious to scratches, and it's true. It's rubbing where it stands out in durability, though, even that will win in the end.

The far softer aluminum under the surface gives easily under pressure. As even hard anodizing is only about 0.001" thick, and the structure is also mostly hollow, the weak substrate, deforms, allowing the anodized surface to crack along the stress line. I've seen, under my microscope, invisible to the eye, cracks.

Thin aluminum under the anodized surface must be designed so that there is a certain amount of flex allowed, but not too much.

If not enough is available, then the surface cracks from pressure. If too much is available, then the surface crumbles when bent.

It's, ahem, a fine line between too much and too little.
post #143 of 150
Is there a good date prediction for this? Is this likely at the June WWDC, or sometime later this year?

I'm planning to pick up a MacBook somewhat soon as my first Mac. I'm tired of XP, avoiding Vista, and Ubuntu isn't quite er, "done" yet. (It's quite good, but inconsistent. on the UI and function.)

While I think the current MacBook is fine, it would be good to catch a major update. Colored anodized aluminum could be quite nice, too...
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As I said before, in this thread, I too think it is time for a change in a lot of ways. I've bought and used most of the Apple Laptops for the last 15 years or so, and think that the current MBP's have got a stage where they feel stagnant. All my last 4 machines have effectively been the exact same casing with a few tweaks inside (I know I know, there has been extensive redesign of the internal space of the machine, I used to be a tech, but I am talking about other fundamentals).

Ok, so what do I want to see change and why?

Casing material

Yes it is an excellent conductor of heat... right on to my legs if I keep it on my lap, to the point of it becoming unbearable to use on a couch or comfy chair. Not an issues with my g/f's Macbook.

The finish is *awful* after hard use. My last 2 MBPs have looked like dog's dinners after 18 months. I have dings, scratches and paint coming off on most areas of the machine, as well as a warped bottom case. The flex in the machine is also a nightmare. After 12 months or so, there is significant flex across the whole thing, and I dread packing it in overhead lockers on airplanes and such. (A colleague put his MBP in a sleeve, in a good case designed for a MBP, and at the end of is flight, the screen section was hugely warped to the point white areas appeared on the screen due to pressure from the back.

Airport reception is plain awful with the Alu. Yes they changed the location of the antenna to under the screen which helped, but atm, the range falls *far* behind it's competitors.

keyboard

Yes, for a long time, the Powerbook/MBP keyboard was the best out there... no complaints. Until a few things happened...

All the paint comes off the keys!! atm on my work MBP, the backlighting on the 'a' 's' 'd' 'w' (err yes I do game from time to time) 'return' and 'apple' keys has all taken significant damage... with 3 of the keys showing a lovely backlit whole key, and not the letter!

The Macbook keyboard. This is **so** much better! Having seen the MBA, it can be backlit, and I think would be a real upgrade to the current MBP one. (yes I know there are backlighting issues on the MBA one, but i am sure they could be fixed.

Lastly, on the last 3 MBPs I have owned, the paint on the areas surrounding the keyboard has at first darkened, and then come off! This needs a whole top case replacement to fix, which is just not worth it time and cost wise. *not* a great design.

Screen

The quality on the LCDs over time has been awful! Uneven backlighting, terrible colour representation without severe calibration etc This may have been fixed with the new LED ones, but it needs to be looked at.

Magsafe

They *so* need to redesign this! I am on my 4th with the current machine... they need to sort out the connection between the flex and the end of the Magsafe, as for road users, and ppl who travel, I have seen *tons* of people with issues. (Apple very kindly and swiftly replaced all mine so far, but I am still out of pocket from having to buy new ones when unable to contact Applecare!)

Lastly...

Price

At the moment, with the Euro 'tax', I am struggling to see any point as to buy another MBP when this one expires... other than OS X which is hands down the best OS. I am a devoted Mac user, with 1000's invested in software, screens, iPods, you name it, but for the price, and with the faults, imho the MBP and MB are lacking. For example:

Dell Vostro 1500
2.4ghz C2D
4 Gig RAM
250Gig HDD
8600m GT with 512mb RAM

All for 610 EURO!

The cheapest Macbook Pro comes in at 1799 Euro - for the *BASE* model! The Macbook starts at 999 Euro!

All in all, I really do think it is time for a change for the MBP, a nice update to address the issues above, and maybe switch to cheaper materials which could mean a price drop to make them appear more in line with the competitors...
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Is there a good date prediction for this? Is this likely at the June WWDC, or sometime later this year?

I'm planning to pick up a MacBook somewhat soon as my first Mac. I'm tired of XP, avoiding Vista, and Ubuntu isn't quite er, "done" yet. (It's quite good, but inconsistent. on the UI and function.)

While I think the current MacBook is fine, it would be good to catch a major update. Colored anodized aluminum could be quite nice, too...

If it follows the last few updates, it will happen in May, but more likely in early June to happen at WWDC for a 3G iphone and new MB.

I'm in the same boat, I want to get a new MB, but will wait a month for WWDC to happen and for an update to either occur or not occur. I'll probably wait for them to include the free iPod too.
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Price

At the moment, with the Euro 'tax', I am struggling to see any point as to buy another MBP when this one expires... other than OS X which is hands down the best OS. I am a devoted Mac user, with 1000's invested in software, screens, iPods, you name it, but for the price, and with the faults, imho the MBP and MB are lacking. For example:

Dell Vostro 1500
2.4ghz C2D
4 Gig RAM
250Gig HDD
8600m GT with 512mb RAM

All for 610 EURO!

You can carry that nearly 7 pound beast? That specific Dell model weight starts at almost 6-1/2 pounds. You strong man! Thanks, I'll pay the extra few hundred and save a few pounds in the process.
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You can carry that nearly 7 pound beast? That specific Dell model weight starts at almost 6-1/2 pounds. You strong man! Thanks, I'll pay the extra few hundred and save a few pounds in the process.

MBP weighs 5.4 pounds approx.

Vostro 1500 weighs 6.33 Pounds approx.

Less than a pound in it. Hardly need to go on the bench press machine to deal with the extra weight

And regardless, it being 3/4 of one pound lighter justify it costing over 1100Euro more?
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MBP weighs 5.4 pounds approx.

Vostro 1500 weighs 6.33 Pounds approx.

Less than a pound in it. Hardly need to go on the bench press machine to deal with the extra weight

And regardless, it being 3/4 of one pound lighter justify it costing over 1100Euro more?

That's a very big difference when carrying it around most of the day.
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MBP weighs 5.4 pounds approx.

Vostro 1500 weighs 6.33 Pounds approx.

Less than a pound in it. Hardly need to go on the bench press machine to deal with the extra weight

And regardless, it being 3/4 of one pound lighter justify it costing over 1100Euro more?

That is 17.22% heavier than the MBP.

As for your question, the weight alone doesn't justify the expense, There are many other areas of value, too. Like OS, reliability, build quality and even the aesthetics.
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You can carry that nearly 7 pound beast? That specific Dell model weight starts at almost 6-1/2 pounds. You strong man! Thanks, I'll pay the extra few hundred and save a few pounds in the process.

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That is 17.22% heavier than the MBP.

As for your question, the weight alone doesn't justify the expense, There are many other areas of value, too. Like OS, reliability, build quality and even the aesthetics.

OS yes, no doubt OS X is superior by a long way. Build quality? Not for me (2 logic boards, 5 magsafe, LCD, warped case, paint of keyboard top case and keys etc), and as already said, aesthetically, my 2 work MBPs looks like a dog's dinner after 18 months of usage.

Yes, I have been a devoted Mac user for 15+ years, but really, it doesn't stack up that well price/quality wise imho.
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