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post #41 of 305
4/18/08 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby View Post

The lack of staggering sales of the iPhone in Europe is evidence that Apple can not simply come to Europe and proclaim that they are the saviors of mobile telephony. I use the Finnish operators again as an example. They know that between Sweden, and Finland, some of the most phone savvy customers exist. The iPhone with its 3 year old technology (minus the nice UI and OS) simply did not translate into high-tech. My friends there that have the iPhone still carry another phone for "real" telephony while using the iPhone as a back up simply because as a so-called "Smartphone" it fails miserably.

When did Apple come to Europe and proclaim they are the "saviours of mobile telephony"..
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post #42 of 305
4/18/08 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by samab View Post

The iphone cannot be regarded as a success in the US for 3 reasons:

1) AT&T's activation numbers stalled in the christmas quarter
2) American sales numbers are not really American when 1/2 of them are shipped overseas
3) Verizon Wireless did absolulely nothing to counter the iphone and still gets better postpaid net adds than AT&T since the iphone was launched.

The only meaningful success is that the initial hype of people lining up to buy the iphone --- got 3 carriers in Europe to sign these idiotic revenue sharing deals with Apple.

You said existing players were rattled --- yet the first carrier (Verizon) Apple talked to --- refused Apple outright. Verizon did nothing to counter the iphone, no price cuts on monthly plans --- nothing. Verizon still beat the crap out of AT&T on postpaid net adds.

Name me 1 device in the same category which has done better than the iphone which is a failure in your books.
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post #43 of 305
4/18/08 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by merdhead View Post

That's all totally irrelevant. One quarter is hardly important, especially one in which sales were poor for everyone. And what has Verizons sales versus AT&T sales got to do with anything? They sell many more phones than iPhones.

Really if you want to say the phone is a failure go ahead. But all these meaningless reasons are pretty pointless in the face of it's overwhelming stature in the market place and millions of sales. What's your problem, did an iPhone cause the death of a loved one, or are you an sad, angry loner looking for an outlet?

Consumer electronics live and die by the christmas quarter --- and the iphone was a dud in the christmas quarter.

Verizon beating the crap out of AT&T means everything --- and I didn't mean selling phones --- I meant the number of subscribers signing 2 years contracts with Verizon. It showed the rest of the world that you can survive without the iphone exclusive.
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post #44 of 305
4/18/08 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by aegisdesign View Post

It's not that simple. It's not just simply sales / population. The markets are entirely different.




It's not really the gadget failing, but more the business model of an expensive phone, restrictive contract and expensive tariff with kickbacks to Apple. That's for the most part what Apple got wrong. The lack of 3G and certain software features is certainly part of the issue but it's more the business model.

Their strategy in the USA seems pretty good but it just doesn't translate well to Europe.

Well what makes you think they want change thier business model, they have already stated that they would change the model for different markets. Give them credit, this is their first phone, they haven't done that bad. Every body has things they can improve on, if the iphone is doing bad in Europe, others like Nokia aren't doing as well in the States, they could also improve like Apple.
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post #45 of 305
4/18/08 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by Adjei View Post

Name me 1 device in the same category which has done better than the iphone which is a failure in your books.

My whole point is --- carriers don't need a iphone killer.

Verizon Wireless sold 1.1 million LG Voyagers since middle of November 2007 --- not bad for a phone without people lining up on launch day.

http://english.etnews.co.kr/news/det...d=200804110002
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post #46 of 305
4/18/08 at 1:29pm
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Originally Posted by Adjei View Post

Well what makes you think they want change thier business model, they have already stated that they would change the model for different markets. Give them credit, this is their first phone, they haven't done that bad. Every body has things they can improve on, if the iphone is doing bad in Europe, others like Nokia aren't doing as well in the States, they could also improve like Apple.

Sure they can, but we're discussing why Apple is doing badly in Europe, not why Nokia isn't doing well in the USA, and Apple's problem would seem to be it's business model and from the sounds of it they aren't changing it but expecting the European carriers to absorb the losses.
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post #47 of 305
4/18/08 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by Adjei View Post

Prove your stats young man..

The word 'probably' gets me out of having to prove anything.

But just for fun.

European sales of N95 - 7m in under 12 months, iPhone 330,000.

Thats only 21:1

I was wrong then.
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post #48 of 305
4/18/08 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

The word 'probably' gets me out of having to prove anything.

But just for fun.

European sales of N95 - 7m in under 12 months, iPhone 330,000.

Thats only 21:1

I was wrong then.

Not to mention the N95 was sold out in most places for the 1st month of its launch.

Here is another little tidbit that will be additionally hard to swallow for the hardcore iPhone lovers:

http://www.news.com/8301-13579_3-9825348-37.html (big glass of koolaid not supplied)
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post #49 of 305
4/18/08 at 2:05pm
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Originally Posted by Adjei View Post

So let me get it, you're here on Apple site to tell people that the iphone is a failure, i hope that helps you sleep at night.

WTF! Where did I say that? Just because one may not like one Apple product does not mean you cannot express it!!! GET OVER IT! Maybe you need the iPhone somewhere near to you to sleep at night!
I was merely explaining what reasons one might cause one to say that but I did not call it that.
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post #50 of 305
4/18/08 at 2:07pm
1. I phone is still on track or slightly behind Apple's target based on the last official conference at Apple's headquarters.

2. Slowing sales of I phones is caused by rumors and reports of the new 3G I phone coming soon.
That's all, and Apple has enough time to make up the numbers by the end of the year.

3. Most cell phone companies are rushing and few have already introduced their version of a look a like Iphone which translates to the success of the Apple I phone.Would not make sense to copy Apple's product unless the competition sees the product as a threat, would you?

4. Apple has only made 1 phone and set a goal of taking 1% market share from the competitors.
What happens if Apple releases several types of phones similar to the way they have the I pod
types of choices. We will find out and bet on their success, because not a single company saw it coming when the Ipods were released over 5 years ago.

5. If Iphone was not a success the stock would not be at the current price which is over $160.
It would be below $100 a share if the phone was a failure. Analysts, critics and millions of investors keep an eye specifacally on the phone sales before they look at the Macs and Ipods sales.


:When is the last time the media was there or people stood in line for days to buy Nokia, Blackberry, Samsung, or others...... Not bad, Apple.
For a company that never made a cell phone before.
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post #51 of 305
4/18/08 at 2:14pm
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Originally Posted by sikras View Post

:When is the last time the media was there or people stood in line for days to buy Nokia, Blackberry, Samsung, or others...... Not bad, Apple.
For a company that never made a cell phone before.

Only to drop the price $200 less than 3 months later and loose any more reasons to stand in line again.
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post #52 of 305
4/18/08 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by sikras View Post

1. I phone is still on track or slightly behind Apple's target based on the last official conference at Apple's headquarters.

:When is the last time the media was there or people stood in line for days to buy Nokia, Blackberry, Samsung, or others...... Not bad, Apple.
For a company that never made a cell phone before.

What target is that?

It's a moving target. 1% of the world market share in 2008 is 12.5 million units.

Precisely --- nobody lined up for the LG Voyager and Verizon sold 1.1 million units since Nov 2007. 4 million blackberries were sold in the last quarter.
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post #53 of 305
4/18/08 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by samab View Post

If O2 managed to activate 200K iphones in about 3 months --- for a population of 60 million people in England. Then it has done a little better than AT&T activating 900K iphones in the christmas quarter --- for population of 300 million people in US.

The iphone is not even a success in the US.


You are a moron... The IPHONE has the highest consumer satisfaction level of any phone. Not everyone can afford a Porsche or BMW, but everyone wants one. Sounds to me like your just upset you can't afford an IPHONE and showing a little envy toward those who can.

And just so you know... I don't own an IPHONE.. not because I can't afford one, but because I've been waiting for 3G first, and I'm still under contract with Verizon until July 1st. I'm not one to throw $175 cancellation fee down the drain, knowing the 3G phone is right around the corner. I decided long ago I was gonna wait until my contract was up and 3G was released before I made my purchase.

In all honesty, I'm glad I waited.. because now I"ll get a newer, faster phone, with IPHONE 2.0 software with all the bugs and things worked out from the 1st year owners.

Does no one realize how HUGE the IPHONE will be this summer? I bought a RAZR a little over 2 years ago from Verizon at the start of the decline of it's popularity. Verizon was giving them away for free with 2 year contracts... Loads of people bought those. I'm not the only person waiting for their 2 year contract to be up so they can switch to AT&T and get an IPHONE this summer.

Has any $500 unsubsidized phone done as well as the IPHONE in history? I don't think so.. Apple's IPHONE is in a league of its own. It's selling portable computers and calling them phones... when will you "haterz" wake up and realize this.

Anyway... 2-3 months and I'll have my 3G IPHONE.. can't wait.
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post #54 of 305
4/18/08 at 2:22pm
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Originally Posted by rmm221 View Post


Has any $500 unsubsidized phone done as well as the IPHONE in history? I don't think so.. Apple's IPHONE is in a league of its own. It's selling portable computers and calling them phones... when will you "haterz" wake up and realize this.

Dear Sheeple, did you ever hear of the N95 (made by Nokia)?
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post #55 of 305
4/18/08 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Only to drop the price $200 less than 3 months later and loose any more reasons to stand in line again.



Many stocks plummeted in the last 3 months, on fears of recession, not just Apple.

Nothing to do with Iphone sales. Have you seen or heard Nokia's recent terrible news?
It's global economic slow down.

Is that the best you can do?
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post #56 of 305
4/18/08 at 2:29pm
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Originally Posted by samab View Post

My whole point is --- carriers don't need a iphone killer.

Verizon Wireless sold 1.1 million LG Voyagers since middle of November 2007 --- not bad for a phone without people lining up on launch day.

http://english.etnews.co.kr/news/det...d=200804110002

haha.. its a cheap plastic toy. Trying hard to copy the IPHONE...

Sure, it sold ok.. but they still sold less than the IPHONE sold... and the IPHONE sold for twice the price originally. You can get a voyager for $299.. when the IPHONE top model retailed at $599 originally.

Apple is making money hand over fist on IPHONEs... and all the way giving users free software updates and adding features. Just wait until IPHONE 2.0 software is released... and everyone starts making apps for the IPHONE.

No phone will be able to compete in that market...
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post #57 of 305
4/18/08 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby View Post

Dear Sheeple, did you ever hear of the N95 (made by Nokia)?

Try in AMERICA you idiot... N95 isn't even available for sale in US. Apple is just getting started in foreign markets... Apple's knew all along that 3G would sell better in foreign markets. But wanted to milk all they could out of the current IPHONE...

this summer is summer of the IPHONE.. i'm telling you.
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post #58 of 305
4/18/08 at 2:37pm
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Originally Posted by samab View Post

What target is that?

It's a moving target. 1% of the world market share in 2008 is 12.5 million units.

Precisely --- nobody lined up for the LG Voyager and Verizon sold 1.1 million units since Nov 2007. 4 million blackberries were sold in the last quarter.


Thank you for making a success point for Apple. 12.5 million units less sales competitors lost because of Apple. Dell sells millions more computers than Apple too, but apple has the highest rate of growth in computer sales than any company. Has it occurred to you growth is a part of success to a company. Give a little credit to Apple.
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post #59 of 305
4/18/08 at 2:47pm
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Originally Posted by rmm221 View Post

Try in AMERICA you idiot... N95 isn't even available for sale in US. Apple is just getting started in foreign markets... Apple's knew all along that 3G would sell better in foreign markets. But wanted to milk all they could out of the current IPHONE...

this summer is summer of the IPHONE.. i'm telling you.

You need to leave your mom's basement more bonehead. Push the empty pizza boxes, two liter bottles of diet Pepsi away, and half used tubes of Clearasil aside and do some research before opening your mouth. The N95 have been avail in the US for over six months and in two incarnations: an 8 gig version and the standard version.

Here's an idea. Try getting a life.
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post #60 of 305
4/18/08 at 2:50pm
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Originally Posted by rmm221 View Post

haha.. its a cheap plastic toy. Trying hard to copy the IPHONE...

Sure, it sold ok.. but they still sold less than the IPHONE sold... and the IPHONE sold for twice the price originally. You can get a voyager for $299.. when the IPHONE top model retailed at $599 originally.

Apple is making money hand over fist on IPHONEs... and all the way giving users free software updates and adding features. Just wait until IPHONE 2.0 software is released... and everyone starts making apps for the IPHONE.

No phone will be able to compete in that market...

Then the only reason why iphone outsold the voyager was that Apple desperately wanted some sales figures and drop the price by 200 dollars.
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post #61 of 305
4/18/08 at 2:55pm
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Originally Posted by rmm221 View Post

You are a moron... The IPHONE has the highest consumer satisfaction level of any phone. Not everyone can afford a Porsche or BMW, but everyone wants one. Sounds to me like your just upset you can't afford an IPHONE and showing a little envy toward those who can.

The only morons are those who insists on exclusiveness of a hand-built European luxury car --- when robots in Japan can build a car that will have much better quality than any humans can.

These people are so satisfied with the iphone that 1/3 of the users have to carry a second phone.
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post #62 of 305
4/18/08 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by samab View Post

The only morons are those who insists on exclusiveness of a hand-built European luxury car --- when robots in Japan can build a car that will have much better quality than any humans can.

These people are so satisfied with the iphone that 1/3 of the users have to carry a second phone.

Game, set, match: Samab.

Exactly. If the iPhone were the complete phone, why are so many people carrying it along with another phone? For me it is simple. The iPhone can not match my Nokia N82 in terms of telephony features. However as a media player, the iPhone is nothing more than an iPod with phone, but it is great at playing back video's and other media. Here, because if its smaller screen, the N82 is lacking. However, Nokia has something on the horizon (got a few friends that work there) that will directly challenge the iPhone in the media department, and for sure out pace it in the telephony department.
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post #63 of 305
4/18/08 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by samab View Post

My whole point is --- carriers don't need a iphone killer.

Verizon Wireless sold 1.1 million LG Voyagers since middle of November 2007 --- not bad for a phone without people lining up on launch day.

http://english.etnews.co.kr/news/det...d=200804110002

And how much have they sold since, show that they have sold more than the iphone or are they also a failure.
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post #64 of 305
4/18/08 at 3:28pm
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

The word 'probably' gets me out of having to prove anything.

But just for fun.

European sales of N95 - 7m in under 12 months, iPhone 330,000.

Thats only 21:1

I was wrong then.

Show me some sources to back up all those numbers your supplied.
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post #65 of 305
4/18/08 at 3:32pm
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Originally Posted by aegisdesign View Post

Sure they can, but we're discussing why Apple is doing badly in Europe, not why Nokia isn't doing well in the USA, and Apple's problem would seem to be it's business model and from the sounds of it they aren't changing it but expecting the European carriers to absorb the losses.

What if Apple were to change their business model but make less money, they are out there to make money. What if the iphone was on every carrier but Apple as a whole made less money, they chose the business model which they believe will bring the most money. There are companies like Motorola who have phones on every carrier but yet they are losing money and cutting jobs, Apple is doing what they believe to be working, they have also said they are open to change their business model.
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post #66 of 305
4/18/08 at 3:37pm
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Originally Posted by samab View Post

What target is that?

It's a moving target. 1% of the world market share in 2008 is 12.5 million units.

Precisely --- nobody lined up for the LG Voyager and Verizon sold 1.1 million units since Nov 2007. 4 million blackberries were sold in the last quarter.

And how many have they sold since, how many different model blackberries does RIM sell.
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post #67 of 305
4/18/08 at 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by samab View Post

What target is that?

It's a moving target. 1% of the world market share in 2008 is 12.5 million units.

Precisely --- nobody lined up for the LG Voyager and Verizon sold 1.1 million units since Nov 2007. 4 million blackberries were sold in the last quarter.

They've already lined up their excuses for when Apple sells 10 million units this year, it should have been 12.5 million instead.
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post #68 of 305
4/18/08 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by Adjei View Post

And how much have they sold since, show that they have sold more than the iphone or are they also a failure.

We are going to know every soon --- how many iphones are sold in Q1. Even Munster have reduced his target to 1.6 million iphones for the quarter. Let's see how many of that are activated by AT&T.

As I said repeatedly, they don't need to beat iphone sales to be an iphone killer. Verizon survived and beat AT&T's postpaid net adds for both quarters since iphone was launched. That's the main lesson for the other carriers around the world --- you don't have to say yes to Apple.
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post #69 of 305
4/18/08 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by samab View Post

We are going to know every soon --- how many iphones are sold in Q1. Even Munster have reduced his target to 1.6 million iphones for the quarter. Let's see how many of that are activated by AT&T.

I'm still waiting for your figures showing that the LG outsold the iphone, we all know the iphone sold 4 million and that was back in January, show us where that phone outsold the iphone, is that phone also a failure.
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post #70 of 305
4/18/08 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by rmm221 View Post

You are a moron... The IPHONE has the highest consumer satisfaction level of any phone. Not everyone can afford a Porsche or BMW, but everyone wants one. Sounds to me like your just upset you can't afford an IPHONE and showing a little envy toward those who can.

And just so you know... I don't own an IPHONE.. not because I can't afford one, but because I've been waiting for 3G first, and I'm still under contract with Verizon until July 1st. I'm not one to throw $175 cancellation fee down the drain, knowing the 3G phone is right around the corner. I decided long ago I was gonna wait until my contract was up and 3G was released before I made my purchase.

In all honesty, I'm glad I waited.. because now I"ll get a newer, faster phone, with IPHONE 2.0 software with all the bugs and things worked out from the 1st year owners.

Does no one realize how HUGE the IPHONE will be this summer? I bought a RAZR a little over 2 years ago from Verizon at the start of the decline of it's popularity. Verizon was giving them away for free with 2 year contracts... Loads of people bought those. I'm not the only person waiting for their 2 year contract to be up so they can switch to AT&T and get an IPHONE this summer.

Has any $500 unsubsidized phone done as well as the IPHONE in history? I don't think so.. Apple's IPHONE is in a league of its own. It's selling portable computers and calling them phones... when will you "haterz" wake up and realize this.

Anyway... 2-3 months and I'll have my 3G IPHONE.. can't wait.

Studies have shown that users love their iphone, iphone has the highest satisfaction ratings for phone, we love our iphones, we don't need people coming and telling us it's a failure. Apple has a good product and the whole industry has taken notice.
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post #71 of 305
4/18/08 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by sikras View Post

Many stocks plummeted in the last 3 months, on fears of recession, not just Apple.

Nothing to do with Iphone sales. Have you seen or heard Nokia's recent terrible news?
It's global economic slow down.

Is that the best you can do?

You might want to be more careful about who you reply to. The original poster - teckstud - wrote this:

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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Only to drop the price $200 less than 3 months later and loose any more reasons to stand in line again.

He was referring to peoples disappointment/anger at the large drop in price of the iPhone shortly after it was released, not a drop in the value of the stock!

Your 'reply' is a complete non sequitur, having nothing to do with what he said.
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post #72 of 305
4/18/08 at 4:24pm
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Originally Posted by Adjei View Post

Studies have shown that users love their iphone, iphone has the highest satisfaction ratings for phone, we love our iphones, we don't need people coming and telling us it's a failure. Apple has a good product and the whole industry has taken notice.

When is the wedding? Do you plan on having children?
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post #73 of 305
4/18/08 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby View Post

Game, set, match: Samab.

Exactly. If the iPhone were the complete phone, why are so many people carrying it along with another phone? For me it is simple. The iPhone can not match my Nokia N82 in terms of telephony features. However as a media player, the iPhone is nothing more than an iPod with phone, but it is great at playing back video's and other media. Here, because if its smaller screen, the N82 is lacking. However, Nokia has something on the horizon (got a few friends that work there) that will directly challenge the iPhone in the media department, and for sure out pace it in the telephony department.

Hate to break it to you.. but Apple has something on the horizon also.. and i bet it'll be to the market before your Nokia surprise.

Who are these mystery people that carry around another cell phone alongside their IPHONE? And for what logical reason? The N82 you refer to looks nice.. but it looks like my canon digital camera interface... which isn't the most intuitive by any means. It retails for $629 and isn't supported or offered for sale on any US networks. The only features it offers that best the IPHONE are a better camera definitely and the GPS. But apple has visual voicemail, multi-touch, bigger screen, and is slimmer... I'll trade camera and gps for better interface and better design any day. Just personal taste...

I work in the entertainment industry... so the IPHONE is FAR ahead of any phone in meeting my daily needs. I need to send quicktimes to clients from my mac on a daily basis. Most of the executive producers are out and about and check the quicktimes on the go. Not to mention the multimedia features are excellent for displaying my reel ect.

I want a phone that syncs and works well with my mac at home and at work... I'd imagine posters on Apple Insider would want the same... but i guess you guys all use PC's... in that case keep your windows mobile phones, makes sense why you prefer them.
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post #74 of 305
4/18/08 at 5:08pm
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Originally Posted by sikras View Post

Many stocks plummeted in the last 3 months, on fears of recession, not just Apple.

Nothing to do with Iphone sales. Have you seen or heard Nokia's recent terrible news?
It's global economic slow down.

Is that the best you can do?

??I'm not even talking about stock prices , I'm talking about waiting in line for hours.
Read before you comment, please.
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post #75 of 305
4/18/08 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by Adjei View Post

Studies have shown that users love their iphone, iphone has the highest satisfaction ratings for phone, we love our iphones, we don't need people coming and telling us it's a failure. Apple has a good product and the whole industry has taken notice.

And I bet you just luv AT&Fee
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post #76 of 305
4/18/08 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by rmm221 View Post

Try in AMERICA you idiot... N95 isn't even available for sale in US. Apple is just getting started in foreign markets... Apple's knew all along that 3G would sell better in foreign markets. But wanted to milk all they could out of the current IPHONE...

this summer is summer of the IPHONE.. i'm telling you.

You're stuck with AT&FEE and you're calling him an idiot???
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post #77 of 305
4/18/08 at 5:14pm
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Originally Posted by rmm221 View Post

Hate to break it to you.. but Apple has something on the horizon also.. and i bet it'll be to the market before your Nokia surprise.

And Nokia is getting kicked around by LG.

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...1-24592004.htm

The LG Voyager was 6 months behind the iphone launch. Verizon didn't spend a dime on their Voyager. No people were lining up for the Voyager.

Verizon sold 1.1 million Voyagers in 4.5 months --- no bad for something that is not as polished as the iphone.
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4/18/08 at 5:19pm
Heh heh, fascinating to read all the back-and-forth. I can understand the people who like the iPhone singing its praises and defending it. What I can't understand is why those who can't stand this thing (and presumably, therefore don't own it) waste their time venting their spleen. Don't you guys have something else to do - like, don't you have a job or life or something? (Esp. that guy who was dispensing advice to someone to get out of his mother's basement, etc).

Please know that this is truly an honest question: Why are you wasting so much of your time over something you do not own and hence really shouldn't matter a great deal from the standpoint of your existence?

Some of you sound bitter,* like you've either been laid off by phone companies or got dissed by Apple's SDK folks or..... whatever......


*Don't intend to sound Obama-esque.
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post #79 of 305
4/18/08 at 5:21pm
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Originally Posted by samab View Post

And Nokia is getting kicked around by LG.

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...1-24592004.htm

The LG Voyager was 6 months behind the iphone launch. Verizon didn't spend a dime on their Voyager. No people were lining up for the Voyager.

Verizon sold 1.1 million Voyagers in 4.5 months --- no bad for something that is not as polished as the iphone.

Just goes to show.. knockoffs sell well also. Proves nothing else. If Verizon offered the LG VOYAGER and IPHONE side by side... at the same price points... LG Voyager would be collecting dust.

All it proves is Verizon is good at tricking people into thinking the LG Voyager is as good as the IPHONE... They are better used car salesmen over there at Verizon. It doesn't take anything away from the IPHONE.
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post #80 of 305
4/18/08 at 6:05pm
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Heh heh, fascinating to read all the back-and-forth. I can understand the people who like the iPhone singing its praises and defending it. What I can't understand is why those who can't stand this thing (and presumably, therefore don't own it) waste their time venting their spleen. Don't you guys have something else to do - like, don't you have a job or life or something? (Esp. that guy who was dispensing advice to someone to get out of his mother's basement, etc).

Please know that this is truly an honest question: Why are you wasting so much of your time over something you do not own and hence really shouldn't matter a great deal from the standpoint of your existence?

Some of you sound bitter,* like you've either been laid off by phone companies or got dissed by Apple's SDK folks or..... whatever......


*Don't intend to sound Obama-esque.

What a smarmy and supercilious attitude you display. What exactly is your contribution to the topic? Do you have an opinion as to why the iPhone is not a hit in Europe or are you too busy licking your iPhone to a pristine gleam, the better to admire your smug reflection in, to bother thinking about it?

Just to help point you in the right direction, I would just like to point out a central fallacy in your position. The iPhone is a wonderful device, my gripe, and those of many others, is with the inappropriate sales model in the European context and the poor value it represents.

You want to hear only praise and adulation for your beloved toy. Well tough, I see more to criticise than praise as things currently stand, and have no hesitation to say what I think. If you don't want to hear bad words from all those nasty people, I suggest you make an audio tape dedicated to your darling shiny one, singing her praises, and play it over and over until the cruel words are just a faint memory.
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