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For those of us going to WWDC, you probably received an iCard from SJ....

"It's a very exciting time to be a Mac developer! Please join us on May 6th at WWDC 2002 for a sneak peak of "Jaguar", the next major release of MacOS X.

see you there,

- Steve"

AIBB BOF, anyone?
post #2 of 52
With each little note and tease, it's all the more apparent that Apple is deliberatey avoiding the version number of the future Jaguar release. IMO this would also suggest that they are deciding whether or not to call it version 10.2, though they seem to be leaning against it. Otherwise, they wouldn't go to such pains to avoid calling it 10.2. Compare this to Mac OS 8.7, whose name was revised a few months before its release to Mac OS 9.
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'sneak-a-peak'.... I have a feeling those who attend will get more than that.
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post #4 of 52
jutus, I received that iCard as well, but I had no plans to go to WWDC. What does that mean for me? :confused:

I haven't registered for WWDC or anything...
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post #5 of 52
They must have accidentally used their "enemies" list to send the iCard.
post #6 of 52
I got this iCard as well and I'm the ADC Student member. I guess all ADC member, including those online membership, got this email.

Kenneth
post #7 of 52
Yep, everyone who is a ADC member got one.
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looks like this heh
post #9 of 52
talked to a pretty high up Apple engineer yesterday and he says he doesnt even know what the name will be. Funny thing is that he said that he reads rumor sites like anyone else seeing that info is so compartamentalized.

Ah well.

Doesnt make much difference if its .2 or .5
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post #10 of 52
Yep: I don't really give a monkeys what they call it.

People will still bitch and moan about paying for it...

low-fi

[ 04-27-2002: Message edited by: low-fi ]</p>
post #11 of 52
[quote]Originally posted by low-fi:
<strong>

People will still bitch and moan about paying for it...

</strong><hr></blockquote>

I know!! I'm Scottish and even I don't mind paying for it!! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

J :cool:
post #12 of 52
The only reason I find the lack of version number interesting is that it would be a clue as to the scope of the "major" update. But I suppose the public demo of it at the keynote will answer that question anyway.
post #13 of 52
when does beta 11 go back to? Pre MWNY right? Been seeing it floating around LimeWire... I mean Fern... and HL/Carracho/KDX servers a while now.

Guess we'll be seeing fresher stuff in a few weeks... hopefully. I made a second partition on purpose for testing
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post #14 of 52
[quote]Originally posted by ZO:
<strong>when does beta 11 go back to? </strong><hr></blockquote>

It's ancient. It's not beta 11 as such, but build 6B11. They are up to 6C28 as of last week.
post #15 of 52
retroneo, how do you know that ?
Have you got some more infos to share ?
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post #16 of 52
6B11 was built and distributed back in November or December. retroneo is correct: is is ancient! ZO: there have only been two or three leaked builds since then (6B23 and 6B29 if I recall correctly) and they too were from early December. How old are these builds? Here's a hint: they still came with iTunes 1.x!

As for getting "inside" info on recent build numbers, it's somewhat publicly available. I'd suggest poking around *.apple.com (remember that "www" isn't Apple's only address) but don't expect to find anything much more than some Darwin bug reports.
post #17 of 52
[quote]Originally posted by low-fi:
<strong>Yep: I don't really give a monkeys what they call it.

People will still bitch and moan about paying for it...</strong><hr></blockquote>
AMEN.

10.2 is gonna be a big deal. It will be demoed & written up in advance of release; it will be for sale; it will cost shipping & handling (and there's precious little hope that people will even pretend to a little maturity on this issue - look out for endless, mindless reiterations of the s.o.s.) for those of us who have upgrade coupons.

I predict AI will become uninhabitable (for thinking beings, anyway) as 10.2 and MWNY approach.
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post #18 of 52
Originally posted by jutus:
[quote]For those of us going to WWDC, you probably received an iCard from SJ....<hr></blockquote>
I did receive it and I have no plans whatsoever to go there. This is the _third_ invitation I received to this WWDC.
Somehow, this sounds like the number of developers participating is way lower than in previous years.
post #19 of 52
<strong>
I did receive it and I have no plans whatsoever to go there. This is the _third_ invitation I received to this WWDC.
Somehow, this sounds like the number of developers participating is way lower than in previous years.</strong>

I doubt that!
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post #20 of 52
[quote]It's ancient. It's not beta 11 as such, but build 6B11. They are up to 6C28 as of last week. <hr></blockquote>

Any juicy tid-bits you'd be willing to share with us? I seem to recall seeing a pic of 6C40 a while ago though...
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post #21 of 52
Jaguar will be a free update, you can count on it. Apple may be dumb but they aren't stupid.
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I got a recorded phone call today urging me to register for WWDC. And I'm only a web member! <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />
post #23 of 52
Steve Jobs himself called my cell-phone and BEGGED me to become a member and to show up to the keynote. He promised me there would be a G6 2U rackmountable server with a 4.2Ghz chip, 1Ghz bus speed and standard 3GB of RAM for $1,199 and that they are releasing 10.6 with a 450% speed increase within the finder across the board.

(can you TELL I'm talking out my a$$ here...?)



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post #24 of 52
It looks like attendance is probably a lot lower than they expected. They are trying to woo devs into shelling out the $$$ just to hear the same ole BS, watch the same dog and pony show, and not get any real insight into where Apple is *going* with the OS.

And all for the amazing, low internet special price of $1595.00!!

But wait! There's more! If you register in the next 9 minutes you will get a
<a href="http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/apr/15wwdc.html" target="_blank">Keynote with Steve Jobs!!!!</a>
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<a href="http://developer.apple.com/students/wwdc/mixerform.html" target="_blank">Visit Student Event Mixer!!!</a>
and much, much more.

But remeber you must register in the next 9 minutes to receive this Apple WWDC Special.

And if you are one of the next 100 subscribers you will get an unprecedented SNEAK PEAK at MacOS "Jaguar"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ 04-30-2002: Message edited by: foamy ]</p>
post #25 of 52
[quote]Originally posted by Scott F.:
<strong>SHe promised me there would be a G6 2U rackmountable server with a 4.2Ghz chip, 1Ghz bus speed and standard 3GB of RAM for $1,199 and that they are releasing 10.6 with a 450% speed increase within the finder across the board.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Y CANT APPEL MAEK COMPUTERZ FER LESS THEN 1000$?!?!!!!
post #26 of 52
foamy,
You have nicely pointed out some of the reasons I (and a lot others) are not going this year. A bad a economy with no real good information coming out of Apple is going to put a serious dent in the partying at the developer conference this year.

Daniel
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post #28 of 52
well... moki says the hype is legit... So go figure
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post #29 of 52
I just saw that at macnn

We'll see... I just hope it's not RDF version 2.0
post #30 of 52
The article refered above has this interesting quote...

[quote] "We're going to be doing some things at the core level of the operating system that have never been done on any platform before," Kerris said. "Allowing this kind of capability to be used by all sorts of applications, we can only imagine what's going to happen over the next year as developers start to tap into the power of the things that they'll see in this update."
<hr></blockquote>

I wonder if this means 64-bit support in the OS.
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post #31 of 52
way beyond the rumor si. . . hang on, we've tried that one already . . . <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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post #32 of 52
My impression from the MacCentral article is that the stuff they're talking about is mostly under-the-hood. That means of course, that you won't necessarily see anything different about it at first, at least not until apps and the GUI take advantage of whatever it might be. That also means that we will once again be flooded with disillusioned users who expected it to wash the dishes for them.

In some ways, I thin Apple is surrounded by these catch 22s. On one hand, if they add features to the GUI, it can be decried as eye candy. On the other, if they don't make their work outwardly visible to users, they are blamed for their apparent lack of progress. The answer of course is to do both but I honestly think a lot of people on Mac message boards set themselves up for a big fall.
post #33 of 52
[quote]Originally posted by blue2kdave:
<strong>I wonder if this means 64-bit support in the OS.</strong><hr></blockquote>

64-bit support has been done before. Just not in MacOS.

Kerris is probably talking about things that have never been done in an OS before, period, and given the sorts of things that Apple has already put in (CoreAudio, Quartz) that wouldn't surprise me.

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post #34 of 52
all i need and i think i'm not the only one is...
a better finder, more options and some more speed across the gui. If there is others goodies like clustering, cups, metadata, quartz to GPU, video conferencing ... mmmh... i'll take them all

... maybe the *thing* is a central metadata sql database for the file system after all (before longhorn ???)

[ 05-01-2002: Message edited by: jeromba ]</p>
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post #35 of 52
Damn that Andrew Welch. His *one* little comment on the MacNN board got me all excited.

PS: Don't even ask what I was doing on MacNN's baords.
post #36 of 52
Maybe they put in CoreVideo?

Hm, right now I could not care less what might go into the kernel or not, if it is not another instance of iPhoto-resource-hog that's moved into the kernel, for God's sake!
But I'd pretty much appreciate a clean solution for file permission consistency in X.
This rats nest of conflicting settings between BSD, NetInfo and MacOS and HFS+ is driving me nuts right now.

Hopefully they'll fix those patched up piles of softcode called Finder asap and garnish it with some new technology that brings some Oohs and Aahhs. Whatever this may be with regard to usefulness. Main goal must be ironing out the big flaws. And good God, there are plenty.

Can someone say GPU back on track?

What would you say if it were a CoreJournallingFileSystem ? Hey, THAT would be cool!
post #37 of 52
I just hope they announce the release date and that it's before July. Even early June would mark the eight month point in its development. Given what 10.1 accomplished in six months, I see no reason to delay such a major release - especially if it's relatively stable. And especially if the only reason to delay is the QT MPEG crapola.

[ 05-02-2002: Message edited by: Moogs ]</p>
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post #38 of 52
Does anybody know if Monday's keynote is being streamed via Quicktime?
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post #39 of 52
[quote]Originally posted by jeromba:
<strong>all i need and i think i'm not the only one is...
a better finder, more options and some more speed across the gui. If there is others goodies like clustering, cups, metadata, quartz to GPU, video conferencing ... mmmh... i'll take them all

... maybe the *thing* is a central metadata sql database for the file system after all (before longhorn ???)

[ 05-01-2002: Message edited by: jeromba ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Boy you sure don't ask for much, do you?



You will all be amazed for sure. Jaguar is going to blow you all away, it's better in ways that none of you have predicted yet. And yes, it's fast, performance will be a non-issue after Jaguar is released. Let's just say it's related to two words: "Quartz" and "Chipset".

And yes, spring-loaded folders are back, as are a few other sorely missed features from OS 9. But most of the groundbreaking stuff in Jaguar is totally new and different. Prepare to think different, VERY different. So different that many of you will whine about it, but I think most Mac users will be suprisingly stunned at how pleased they are after the initial shock wears off.
post #40 of 52
[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
<strong>

Boy you sure don't ask for much, do you?



You will all be amazed for sure. Jaguar is going to blow you all away, it's better in ways that none of you have predicted yet. And yes, it's fast, performance will be a non-issue after Jaguar is released. Let's just say it's related to two words: "Quartz" and "Chipset".

And yes, spring-loaded folders are back, as are a few other sorely missed features from OS 9. But most of the groundbreaking stuff in Jaguar is totally new and different. Prepare to think different, VERY different. So different that many of you will whine about it, but I think most Mac users will be suprisingly stunned at how pleased they are after the initial shock wears off.</strong><hr></blockquote>

OK, I'll bite. Will I need new hardware to see any real improvement in performance?
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