Obama's 50 lies and counting  

Originally Posted by ShawnJ

Ibl...

Originally Posted by @_@ Artman

I'm a retard, what does LBL mean.

Originally Posted by Jubelum

IBL= In Before Lock.

Originally Posted by @_@ Artman

I'm a retard, what does LBL mean.

Originally Posted by mydo

You guys just want it locked because it's an Obama thread. If there were 50 lies about McCain you'd love it.

Originally Posted by mydo

You guys just want it locked because it's an Obama thread. If there were 50 lies about McCain you'd love it.

Originally Posted by hardeeharhar

i think this thread should be locked because it lacks content of its own.

the op failed to include any independently derived thought. that fails the muster of our little forum here.

no content, no thread, no party.

Originally Posted by mydo

I knew someone would say that. Where's the yawn smile?

Originally Posted by mydo

I knew someone would say that. Where's the yawn smile?

Originally Posted by mydo

You guys just want it locked because it's an Obama thread. If there were 50 lies about McCain you'd love it.

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR, except for Africa ( surprise ) and
the Middle East ( bigger surprise ), you have never been Anywhere else on the planet and have NO Experience with Our closest Allies .

Originally Posted by sowillo14

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin...gi?read=122755

Posted by: ted | Apr 13, 2008 8:03:30 PM

Posted by admin March 30, 2008

OBAMA LAUNDRY LIST OF LIES - Updated to reflect new dishonesties (63 lies as of March 30 2008)

Originally Posted by tonton

Huh? He fucking LIVED in Indonesia. Not Africa. Not Middle East. This plain, unadulterated ignorance, together with all of the other opinions and unsupported allegations you've posted here shows where your true heart... uh... lies. I'd love to see you "get started" with Clinton and McCain. But of course that wouldn't support your agenda now, would it?

Originally Posted by McSweeney

These quotes are both fabricated and grossly out of context.

Alleged quote:

"The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy...He converted to Islam."

Real quote and/or context of quote:

"The person who made me proudest of all, though, was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam, and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol. He still works at his accounting firm, but talks about moving back to Kenya once he has enough money. In fact, when we saw each other...he was building a hut for miself and his mother...in accordance with Luo tradition."

>>>An honest conversation about race begins with just that: HONESTY. The paraphrased quote implies Obama is happy for his half-brother because he converted to Islam, which is of course a lie. When Obama first meets his half-brother, Roy is an obese, hard-drinking man whose life is in a downward spiral. Obama is proud of his brother for turning his life around, as we all would be.

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Alleged quote:

"In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school...I studied the Koran..."

Real quote and/or context of quote:

"In Indonesia, I had spent to years at a Muslim school, two years at a Catholic school. In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell my mother that I made faces during Koranic studies. My mother wasn't overly concerned. 'Be respectful,' she'd said. In the Catholic school, when it came time to pray, I would pretend to close my eyes, then peek around the room. Nothing happened. No angels descended. Just a parched old nun and thirty brown children, muttering words. Sometimes the nun would catch me, and her stern look would force my lids back shut."

>>>This paraphrased quote is not just misleading, it's deceiptful. You're ominously implying that Obama was endoctrinated into the Muslim faith as a little boy. But the full quote, taken in context, depicts nothing more than your average precocious kid bored silly in religion class.

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Alleged quote:

"Lolo (Obama's step father) followed a brand of Islam ...."I looked to Lolo for guidance".

"Real quote and/or context of quote:

"Like many Indonesians, Lolo followed a brand of Islam that could make room for remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths...[two paragraphs later]The world was violent, I was learning, unpredictable and often cruel. My grandparents knew nothing about such a world, I decided; there was no point in disturbing them with questions they couldn't answer. Sometimes, when my mother came home from work, I would tell her the things I had seen or heard, snd she would stroke my forehead, listening intently, trying her best to explain what she could, and I always appreciated the attention--her voice, the touch of her hand, defined all that was secure. But her knowledge of [Indonesian] floods and exorcisms and cockfights left much to be desired. Everything was as new to her as it was to me, and I would leave such conversations feeling that my questions had only given her uneceesary cause for concern. So it was to Lolo I turned for guidance and instruction."

>>>It's becoming painfully obvious you haven't read a single word of Obama's books. The paraphrased quote would have you believe that Obama looks to this stern Muslim as his mentor, when in the full, contextual quote, NOTHING like that is said or inferred. Obama mentions offhand that his stepfather is Muslim--even better, that he adheres to an ecumenical brand of Islam. What follows after that is a full page of text and two expository paragraphs on Indonesian life, and then Obama says he turns to his stepfather for guidance about Indonesian customs and history because his grandparents and mother are relatively clueless.

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Alleged quote:

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Real quote and/or context of quote:

"In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

>>>This is truly a thing of beauty here. Obama creates this carefully nuanced portrait of Arab and Pakistani Americans unlawfully imprisoned in post-9/11 America, and he vows to defend their freedoms as Americans. And what does the paraphrased "quote" imply? That come the next Holy War, Obama is joining the Jihadists.

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Alleged quote:

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

Real quote and/or context of quote:

"[We] know too much, we have all seen too much, to take my parents' brief union--a black man and white woman, an African and an American--at face value. As a result, some people have a hard time taking me at face value. When people who don't know me well, black or white, discover my background (and it usually is a discovery, for I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of twelve or thirteen, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites), I see the split-second adjustments they have to make, the searching of my eyes for some tell-tale sign. They no longer know who I am. Privately, they guess at my troubled heart, I suppose--the mixed blood, the divided soul, the ghostly image of the tragic mulatto trapped between two worlds. And if I were to explain that no, the tragedy is not mine, or at least not mine alone, it is yours, daughter of Plymouth Rock and Ellis Island, it is yours, childredn of Africa, it's on the nightly news for all to see, and that if we could aknowledge at least that much then the tragic cycle begins to break down...well, I suspect that I sound incurably naive, wedded to lost hopes....Or worse, I sound like I'm trying to hide from myself."

>>>Wow, stunning editorial journalism here. A sprawling paragraph about a young man's inner conflict with his multi-racial heritage, and the paraphrased quote dispenses with the paranthetical reference, and devoid of context, morphs into the rough equivalent of, "KILL, WHITEY!"

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Alleged quote:

"never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself..."

Real quote and/or context of quote:

"Yes, I'd seen weaknesses in other men--[my grandfather] and his disappointments, [my stepfather] and his compromise. But these men had become object lessons for me, men I might love but never emulate, white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, the son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela. And if later I saw that the black men I knew...fell short of such lofty standards; if I had learned to respect these men for the struggles they went through, recognizing them as my own--my father's voice had nevertheless remained untainted, inspiring, rebuking, granting or withholding approal. You don not work hard enough, Barry. You must help in your people's struggle. Wake up, black man!

"Now, as I sat in the glow of a single light bulb, rocking slightly on a hard-backed chair, that image had suddenly vanished. Replaced by...what? A bitter drunk? An abusive husband? A defeated, lonely bureaucrat? To think that all my life I had been wrestling with nothing more than a ghost! For a moment I felt giddy...The king is overthrown, I thought. The emerald curtain is pulled aside. The rabble of my head is free to run riot; I can do what I damn well please. For what man, if not my own father, has the power to tell me otherwise? What I do, it seems, I won't do much worse than he did."

>>>I barely know where to begin with this one. Here we have Obama wrestling with the legacy of his dead father, and with how much he had WRONGLY invested himself in the myth of his father and by extension the myth of his racial heritage. And what does the altered quote suggest? BLACK POWER! BLACK POWER!

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I spent a full hour cross-referencing your quotes and found zero quotes taken in context and at least five quotes outright altered to convey meanings that were never intended. I'm reasonably certain NONE of the quotes you site are accurate.

Plus, curiously enough, you neglected to include any of these quotes:

"White folks. The term itself was uncomfortable in my mouth at first; I felt like a non-native speaker tripping over a difficult phrase. Sometimes I would find myself talking to [my friend] Ray about white folks this or white folks that, and I would suddenly remember my mother's smile, and the words that I spoke would seem awkward and false."

"We hold these truths to be self-evident. In those words, I hear the spirit of Douglas and Delany, as well as Jefferson and Lincoln; the struggles of Martin and Malcolm and unheralded marchers to bring these words to life. I hear the voices of Japanese families interned behind barbed wire; young Russian Jews cutting patterns in Lower East side sweatshops; dust-bowl farmers loading up their trucks with the remains of shattered lives....I hear all of these voices clamoring for recognition, all of them asking the very same questions that have come to shape my life, the same questions that I sometimes, late at night, find myself asking [my father]. What is our community, and how might that community be reconciled with oru freedom? How far do our obligations reach? How do we transform mere power into justice, mere sentiment into love? The answers I find in law books don't always satisfy me--for every Brown v. Board of Education I find a score of cases where conscience is sacrificed to expedience or greed...And yet, in the conversation itself, in the joining of voices, I find myself modestly encouraged, believing that so long as the questions are still being asked, what binds us together might somehow, ultimately, prevail....And at some point [we] decide that a principle is at stake, that despite everything that has happened, those words put to paper over two hundred years ago must mean something after all. Black and white, they make their claim on this community we call America. They choose our better history."

Originally Posted by jaikie

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THANK YOU MCSWEENY!!!!

McSweeny,

I am writing you from West Columbia, where this person "Cyberella" who goes by the sock puppet alias of "Bunnytoes" has been posting the exact same smear on the State Newspaper discussion board for months. Your reply to this post is very well written (albeit with a few misspellings) , I would like to ask your permission to copy it and post it on he State Newspaper and Beaufort Gazette sites. In fact I had responded much in kind to some quotes, but had not been able to find the "I will stand with the muslims (sic)" quote that has been repeatedly pasted.

As you said, the interesting thing is to look first of all at the actual quote, which was very specifically made with reference to the plight of Muslim-Americans after 9-11, not all Muslims in general. Secondly, the quote was not only incorrectly cited, it was creatively changed to make it appear as though Obama was supportive of all Muslims.

Here is the actual quote from the book is from page 261 of "the Audacity of Hope" and is as follows:

"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Wow! Ther's a noticeably vast chasm between what the book actually says and what is implied by "Bunnytoes" aka "Cyberella". This person is obviously a patent liar, whose postings are so pervasive on the internet that one wonders just whose payroll they are on. A quick web search will show that this individual is associated with JTF.org, which is an extremist organization that espouses support for the late terrorist Meir Kahane and his political party KACH, which has been permanently banned by the Knesset in Israel. I would no more ask for an opinion about Jews from a neo-Nazi or a black person from a Klansman than I would an Arab or Muslim by a KACH terrorist sympathizer.

Finally, before "Cyberella" accuses me of being an Obama "sock puppet", I would like to add that I am a resident of West Columbia, and a regular posting on the State Newspaper discussion board for some 5 years. In all honesty, I doubt that Cyberella is a resident of this state at all. The only reason I am posting this now is because I have grown very tired of seeing this bogus invective posted on every newspaper site throughout the Carolinas. At least Rock Hill had the guts to ban such lies.

Originally Posted by tonton


Fellowship. please take a look at this, and tell us if you will still let some liar with swift boat tactics sway your opinion of someone who it is clear is a great leader.

sowillo14
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subject: Why don't you go

Fuck your mother.

Originally Posted by Hassan i Sabbah

I just got his pm from sowillo:



Classy.

Originally Posted by midwinter

Well, he does think the BNP is just a poor, maligned bunch of conservatives wanting to preserve British culture. Sort of like how the League of the South is just a poor, maligned bunch of conservatives wanting to preserve Anglo-Irish culture.

Originally Posted by giant

I guess it's not surprising that this was posted with exactly the same formatting by someone with a high post count on stormfront:

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Ob...nd+counting%22
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...ng-483861.html

This person is particularly interesting since his current sig there differs from the far more controversial one recorded in google's cache

"Of all tasks with which we are confronted, it is the grandest and most sacred task of man to preserve his race."
- Adolf Hitler, January 30, 1937

Originally Posted by giant

I guess it's not surprising that this was posted with exactly the same formatting by someone with a high post count on stormfront:

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Ob...nd+counting%22
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...ng-483861.html

This person is particularly interesting since his current sig there differs from the far more controversial one recorded in google's cache

Originally Posted by giant

Apparently this guy's name, "sowillo," is a common misspelling of "sowilo," the real name for the sig rune used in the SS symbol:

http://www.google.com/search?q=sowillo+ss
http://www.google.com/search?q=sowilo+ss
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sól

Nice little *wink* *wink* to other neo-nazis trolling forums with anti-Obama propaganda.