Apple quietly refreshes iMac line, now up to 3.06GHz - Page 5

Originally Posted by elroth

According to a story on MacNN, Intel has confirmed that the chips are 45nm Penryn chips with Santa Rosa chipset.

"The 3.06GHz processor and fellow chips in Apple's new iMacs are part of a special run of Intel's existing technology... Although the processors match the same core clock rates and 1,066MHz system bus speeds as those for the upcoming platform, the processors are now known to be unlisted speed grades that include special support for the faster bus speeds (up from 800MHz)...The mainboard remains based on the same "Santa Rosa" chipset as for earlier iMacs and MacBooks."

I still like what I know so far.

Originally Posted by zinfella

We already know that Apple is looking at going to all LED displays, what we don't know is when. Maybe the next iMac upgrade, who knows?

Originally Posted by Mr. H

Which is more likely: Intel made some special CPUs and motherboard chipsets that are just like Montevina and its updated Penryn CPUs, but not actually Montevina, and will supply Apple with real Montevina in 1 - 2 months' time, or Intel have delivered Montevina a couple of months early to Apple?

Maybe Intel are deliberately lying about what chip this is because they don't want to piss off their other customers.

Originally Posted by Mr. H

As I mentioned in a different thread, I think that whoever in Intel is providing these "facts", they don't have all the information.

At issue here isn't just the CPU speed, but also that the iMac is using 800 MHz RAM, which Santa Rosa doesn't support.

Which is more likely:

• Intel made some special CPUs and motherboard chipsets that are just like Montevina and its updated Penryn CPUs, but not actually Montevina, and will supply Apple with real Montevina in 1 - 2 months' time, or...
• Intel have delivered Montevina a couple of months early to Apple?

Maybe Intel are deliberately lying about what chip this is because they don't want to piss off their other customers.

Originally Posted by solipsism

I wonder what is missing from the full Montevina platform? No WiMAX, no HW H.264 decoding, etc.?

Originally Posted by ascii

No glossy/matte screen choice. Customer feedback not reaching engineers.

Originally Posted by ros3ntan

call them and tell them your problem. Customer is always right

Originally Posted by gastroboy

So same thing different name. It is not like we are paying separately for these either, but we wouldn't be paying yours as well as ours, just instead of.

Again all these issues are instead of. We speak English, the laws and lawyers are similar and go with any working business. Any Apple office anywhere has to pay for its own telephones, stationery, accounts etc even in the States. You didn't have to pay a premium on your Macs to use Australia's Fred Anderson when he became HQ's CFO for many years.

You would assume that all parts of an organisation contribute to the whole. There should not be any cross subsidisation unless you are trying to minimise tax in certain markets by loading them up with costs to reduce their profits and shift them to HQ.

Should Mac consumers in Alaska pay more than say Canadian consumers? After all they are a small state in population and are much further from Apple HQ and face much greater transport and support costs?

Originally Posted by elroth

The RAM you list is 240 pin instead of 200 pin. Crucial lists 2x2GB of the new iMac memory for $124. So yeah, it's a better deal than Apple, and you get the extra 2x1GB modules to sell or give away (if you want to deal with it).

But still, $200 for the Apple factory upgrade (from 2 to 4GB) is not bad.

Originally Posted by Haggar

There are 2 types of LED backlighting: White LEDs and separate red, green, blue LEDs. Based on specifications from display manufacturers, screens with white LED backlighting have no wider color gamut than screens using CCFL. On the other hand, screens using separate red, green, blue LEDs have a much wider color gamut which more closely covers the Adobe RGB color space.

Originally Posted by Lorre

For elementary school, this is more than fast enough to last you about 5 years I'd say, that is if your kids don't want to play a lot of games on these. No need to get the more expensive models. You should get 2GB of RAM though. To replace this ram, you need to loosen 1(one) screw.
Speed bump before fall is possible, I'd say 60% chance they upgrade it once more before September, if you can hold out till November or so, I'd wait.

Originally Posted by Techboy

I hate to say this... but looks like Apple is keeping glossy screens!

That's too bad for them to ignore people who don't care for glossy screens... as long as they keep making glossy screen iMacs, they won't get my business.

Originally Posted by zinfella

And who controls the money, why since Jan 07, the Democratic controlled Congress.

Originally Posted by gastroboy

Even Apple's own forums were full of complaints. I steered clear of the problem by buying the white 24" iMacs before they disappeared off the shelves. Got them at excellent prices too!

Originally Posted by melgross

I'm not relating the end of the recession to the elections. It's just that economists think that the recession will end shortly after the elections, perhaps around January.

Originally Posted by gooddog

*************************************

WHAT IS WRONG WITH APPLE ?????!!!!!!!

ANOTHER UPDATE WITH FORCED GLOSSY ---- CRAP !!!

OK, DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE GLASS FACE CAN BE REPLACED WITH ONE WITH A LIGHT ACID ETCH ???

CAN IT BE REMOVED AT ALL ??? MAYBE I CAN ETCH
A LIGHT MATTE ON IT WITH A GLASS ART KIT.

ANY INFO APPRECIATED.

I DON'T FREAKIN' BELIEVE I HAVE TO DO THIS TO FIX
THE LATEST STUPIDITY FROM APPLE.

IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING, ISN'T IT.

ALWAYS A WART ON THE FACE.

ALWAYS A COCKROACH IN THE MASHED POTATOES.

THANKS A HELL OF A LOT



---gooddog

Originally Posted by teckstud

One thing is for certain - everyone's depression will be over around January, once a-Whole and Cheney leave Washington.

Originally Posted by melgross

Can't you post properly?

Originally Posted by solipsism

I'm now eating crow for stating that these MUST be Montevina based on the FSB and L2 Cache.

Originally Posted by sequitur

No need. You just didn't know about the 'back room' conniving.

Originally Posted by Abster2core

Apple is an American company doing business in a foreign country. As such, it is subject to foreign commercial and consumer laws, taxes and business/social issues that add to the general cost of goods and the difference is passed on to the foreign consumer.

For every Mac that Apple brings into the US from China for example, is subject to US importation costs, which on a unit bases, is significantly less than what is alloted to each Mac sold in Australia. The same for overhead, marketing and general legal (corporate) costs are significantly lower per unit in the US, but they are added necessities in foreign operations.

As such, doing business in another country has an added cost. True, the more the merrier and its additional sales do in fact drive overall production costs down. However, shipping a Mac from China to Australia will cost more per unit than shipping the same Mac to California.

By the way, don't tell an Aussie that we speak English. Although I would think that they also would agree that they don't as well. For sure, the Brits or the Canadians would argue on whether Americans speak English. But even the Canadians would say that they are the only English speaking people that every other so called English speaking person in the world can understand. In any event, those little nuances between American English and Australian has a cost, albeit small, but one of those things that just adds up and up.

Big landed cost in Australia is for shipping. Nearly twice as much than in the US. For example, free shipping in US, Canada and Australia is free over $50, $75 and $90 respectively. Obviously volume/mile delivered is the key factor.

You're really doing it LBB? I never thought I'd see the day! If so, congratulations

Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon.

...m'yeh.



As opposed to waiting another 9 months+ for Apple to do Nehalem 0cto-core with a next gen card.

It'll do the job. I made a list of all the things I need to do now. The iMac ticks all the boxes. So, no argument. It's not a octo-3d powerhouse. But with a GS and a dual 3 gigger. Respectable. 'Adequate'. As such it's a stop gap machine. But a very nice one at that...

I'll let you guys know how it runs when I get it...

Lemon Bon Bon.

Originally Posted by gastroboy

Which is quite contrary to the practice of non-American companies which usually cut prices of exports to enter and expand into foreign markets. I think it is a matter of perspective. Americans see themselves, like the Ancient Chinese, as the Middle Kingdom and everyone else has got it wrong. If they insist in their wicked practices they should be made to pay for them.

Originally Posted by gastroboy

Despite the shorter distance to Australia, and once it has arrived at one of the major Australian cities (we are highly urbanised) it is substantially arrived at its market. Meanwhile in the USA it has merely reached California and has a another 4000km or more to go.

Originally Posted by gastroboy

There is the factor that in Australia we do not have an illegal migrant or black underclass to exploit and we pay most everyone a living wage. This means luxury products like Macs are not being subsidised by the poor workers low wages, or by foreign consumers (because we are the foreign consumers).

Originally Posted by gastroboy

How egocentric! Just because Americans have trouble adjusting to anyone else's differences you think you represent a standard in English usage! A standard judging by this and other forums that hasn't a clue as to spelling, grammar or the meanings of most words. Don't get me started on the misuse of common words, scientific terms and prepositions! I suppose the 95% of the world who use metric measures are adding to the costs to support both the Imperial & metric systems, not the USA causing the problem through intransigence.

Originally Posted by gastroboy

More likely an underpaid transport workforce along with suppressed fuel pricing keeps costs down in the States.

Originally Posted by gastroboy

Australia does however suffer more than most because of the internal tyranny of distance. Our population whilst highly concentrated in the major cities, still is distributed on the edges of a land mass about the same size as the mainland USA.

Originally Posted by gastroboy

I have also noted the American practice of finding the most costly and inefficient method of despatch which is all loaded into the price. My sister-in-law tells me the postal service is only used as a last resort in the States whereas here it works well and cheaply. We just can't get you to do the right thing and use it. Amazon prices itself out of my market by using FedEx. If they'd only post the damn goods I'd shop there all the time.

Outstanding! I want a thread with unboxing porn and everything.

Originally Posted by gastroboy

I have also noted the American practice of finding the most costly and inefficient method of despatch which is all loaded into the price. My sister-in-law tells me the postal service is only used as a last resort in the States whereas here it works well and cheaply. We just can't get you to do the right thing and use it. Amazon prices itself out of my market by using FedEx. If they'd only post the damn goods I'd shop there all the time.

Originally Posted by gastroboy

Which is quite contrary to the practice of non-American companies which usually cut prices of exports to enter and expand into foreign markets. I think it is a matter of perspective. Americans see themselves, like the Ancient Chinese, as the Middle Kingdom and everyone else has got it wrong. If they insist in their wicked practices they should be made to pay for them.



Despite the shorter distance to Australia, and once it has arrived at one of the major Australian cities (we are highly urbanised) it is substantially arrived at its market. Meanwhile in the USA it has merely reached California and has a another 4000km or more to go.

There is the factor that in Australia we do not have an illegal migrant or black underclass to exploit and we pay most everyone a living wage. This means luxury products like Macs are not being subsidised by the poor workers low wages, or by foreign consumers (because we are the foreign consumers).



How egocentric! Just because Americans have trouble adjusting to anyone else's differences you think you represent a standard in English usage! A standard judging by this and other forums that hasn't a clue as to spelling, grammar or the meanings of most words. Don't get me started on the misuse of common words, scientific terms and prepositions! I suppose the 95% of the world who use metric measures are adding to the costs to support both the Imperial & metric systems, not the USA causing the problem through intransigence.



More likely an underpaid transport workforce along with suppressed fuel pricing keeps costs down in the States.

Australia does however suffer more than most because of the internal tyranny of distance. Our population whilst highly concentrated in the major cities, still is distributed on the edges of a land mass about the same size as the mainland USA.

I have also noted the American practice of finding the most costly and inefficient method of despatch which is all loaded into the price. My sister-in-law tells me the postal service is only used as a last resort in the States whereas here it works well and cheaply. We just can't get you to do the right thing and use it. Amazon prices itself out of my market by using FedEx. If they'd only post the damn goods I'd shop there all the time.

Originally Posted by cutigerinva

While the mainstream chips 2.4 and 2.66 GHz versions are rated at a TDP of 25 watts, the 2.8 GHz (T9600) model runs at a 35 watt TDP and this special 3.06 GHz SKU at 55 watts.

Does 55 watts bother anyone in the 3.06 chip? Will it be noisy in your opinion? HOw much of a jump from 2.8 GHZ to 3.06 GHZ are you getting?

Originally Posted by Superbass

Wow. 300 bucks to upgrade from 2 to 4 GB of memory is 200 bucks more expensive than it should be. I just replaced a 1GB DIMM with 2GB from Trans International and it cost all of $42 so replacing 2 would cost $84. Why does apple charge $216 more than Trans? Thats a 257% markup!

Originally Posted by gooddog

*************************************

WHAT IS WRONG WITH APPLE ?????!!!!!!!

ANOTHER UPDATE WITH FORCED GLOSSY ---- CRAP !!!

OK, DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE GLASS FACE CAN BE REPLACED WITH ONE WITH A LIGHT ACID ETCH ???

CAN IT BE REMOVED AT ALL ??? MAYBE I CAN ETCH
A LIGHT MATTE ON IT WITH A GLASS ART KIT.

ANY INFO APPRECIATED.

I DON'T FREAKIN' BELIEVE I HAVE TO DO THIS TO FIX
THE LATEST STUPIDITY FROM APPLE.

IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING, ISN'T IT.

ALWAYS A WART ON THE FACE.

ALWAYS A COCKROACH IN THE MASHED POTATOES.

THANKS A HELL OF A LOT



---gooddog

Originally Posted by ouragan

Well, folks, this is the last iMac model before the launch of a quad-core Penryn iMac.

In Canada, every new model is still $100 more expensive than the same iMac sold through the US AppleStore. It's not a way to spur sales or increase market share.

In Canada, availability of the new iMacs is quoted to be in the next 30 days, dangerously close to the June release of quad-core Penryn chips. Should a careful buyer wait for quad-core Penryn iMacs?

Originally Posted by Abster2core

Not usual. There are anti-dumping laws that prevent it.

Only 400 km difference between Beijing-Sydney and Beijing-San Francisco. Point is Apple ships a 100,000 Macs to San Francisco and maybe 5,000 Beijing to Sydney at a time. Significant difference in cost per unit in shipping costs. Once landed, Apple's deals for UPS/FedeX land costs are significantly lower because of the yearly volume.

Way out of line. Sure you didn't mean to add this.

My point (as well) was that Apple like any other self-respecting company entering a foreign country has to provide materials, particularly re communication, in a form that is representative of the land in which they are doing business. Although the Australian web site is probably built in the US along with or in concert with every other foreign site, there are costs differentials which are charged ex-country accordingly. Probably exceptionally small, but they add up.

Volume. Tax structures. Population.

Underpaid transport workforce? You won't find much support from the average consumer here.

Thus, the higher delivery costs.

Wait 3-5 days? Are you out of your mind?

You have a great country. Anybody would love to live there. That is if they knew anything about it. But then we know that like your in-laws, staying permanently is another matter.