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post #281 of 363
5/3/08 at 1:12am
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sure

ifixit or macnn or anandtech will do that

So has anyone torn the new iMacs apart yet?
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post #282 of 363
5/3/08 at 1:17am
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So has anyone torn the new iMacs apart yet?

Not that I've seen. I'm still waiting to get a full run down of the platform utilized by these Penryns.
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post #283 of 363
5/3/08 at 3:17am
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Unfortunately, right now we are a bad period, monitorwise. LCD is a compromise. I just can't wait until we can get OLEDs.

I've seen the Sony OLED Tv, and it is amazing, and I don't say that often.

Unfortunately, there's problems with OLED, too. The biggest one is ageing, they do so relatively rapidly, and the three primary colours don't age at the same rate.

I feel that LED backlit LCD is the best solution, with "local dimming", whereby the LED backlight is quite fine-grained (e.g. one per square of 4, 9 or 16 screen pixels) and whose brightness can be controlled on an individual LED level.
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post #284 of 363
5/3/08 at 5:49am
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Unfortunately, there's problems with OLED, too. The biggest one is ageing, they do so relatively rapidly, and the three primary colours don't age at the same rate.

You may be right. But at this point I think I would take amazing for a short(er) period of time rather than average for a long(er) period of time.

Perhaps LED backlighting on an iMac would be different but the LED backlit displays on MBPs aren't that much better than the old conventional LCD displays IMO.
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5/3/08 at 7:32am
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Unfortunately, there's problems with OLED, too. The biggest one is ageing, they do so relatively rapidly, and the three primary colours don't age at the same rate.

I feel that LED backlit LCD is the best solution, with "local dimming", whereby the LED backlight is quite fine-grained (e.g. one per square of 4, 9 or 16 screen pixels) and whose brightness can be controlled on an individual LED level.

Aging isn't really a problem.

there are two kinds of OLED panels.

The rigid panels have no aging problems. for example, the Sony 11" Tv is rated at 30,000 hours. That's about normal for present panels.

The second type is the bendable panel. that has aging problems. Most of those panels won't last more than 10,000 hours right now.

It has to do with moisture proofing. The rigid panels can be moisture proofed without a problem, but due to the materials used for the bendable panels, they haven't found a way to prevent moisture inflitration through the materials.

But there seems to have been a breakthrough in that regard. I hope the new material can be utilized for this before too long.
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post #286 of 363
5/3/08 at 7:58am
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So it's kind of negligible unless I get the Extreme model?

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From some posts I have read, people should care less about 2.8 vs. 3.06, and care more about ATI vs. nVidia. Apparently, ATI graphics handle the OS X GUI and applications that use Core Image better than nVidia graphics, but the nVidia graphics are better when it comes to gaming.
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5/3/08 at 8:46am
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From some posts I have read, people should care less about 2.8 vs. 3.06, and care more about ATI vs. nVidia. Apparently, ATI graphics handle the OS X GUI and applications that use Core Image better than nVidia graphics, but the nVidia graphics are better when it comes to gaming.

Some posts here or elsewhere, any links?

I'm not questioning you, am quite interested. The graphics war between these two intrigues me but as a non-gamer nor heavy image user I've never really looked into it that much
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post #288 of 363
5/3/08 at 9:34am
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So has anyone torn the new iMacs apart yet?

I doubt they look any different.
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post #289 of 363
5/3/08 at 10:53am
Sweet - my 3.0 just arrived FedEx. Was supposed to be here on Tuesday - I'm amazed to see it. Won't really get a chance until monday to give it a workout, but of course I'll have to at least set it up
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post #290 of 363
5/3/08 at 11:03am
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Some posts here or elsewhere, any links?

I'm not questioning you, am quite interested. The graphics war between these two intrigues me but as a non-gamer nor heavy image user I've never really looked into it that much

Right now, the 88GS is the fastest gpu for the iMac. That's not in question.

Do you need the extra speed for 2D work?

No.

Do you need it for 3D games and proframs?

Yes.

What you do determines its value to you.

But the 3.06 GHz machine is faster. That may make a difference, and it may not. It also depends.

For 2D work, the difference will be small, but useful.

For 3D games, it would feed the gpu faster, and could account for some of that FPS speedup we see.
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post #291 of 363
5/3/08 at 11:09am
Just plugged in and turned it on (didn't even remove the plastic protection yet) - it's dead silent on boot - I can hear my Core Duo mini sitting next to it. Backlighting is uneven - there's a large dark 'smudge' in the middle, and the left side of the screen is definitely brighter than the rest. I think this one is going back I'm going to keep replacing them until I get one with an even backlight - I do web design and a lot of photo stuff so this just won't cut it...
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post #292 of 363
5/4/08 at 9:46am
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Just plugged in and turned it on (didn't even remove the plastic protection yet) - it's dead silent on boot - I can hear my Core Duo mini sitting next to it. Backlighting is uneven - there's a large dark 'smudge' in the middle, and the left side of the screen is definitely brighter than the rest. I think this one is going back I'm going to keep replacing them until I get one with an even backlight - I do web design and a lot of photo stuff so this just won't cut it...

You might at least remove the protective cover, then reset the desktop screen, before you declare it a disaster and return it.
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post #293 of 363
5/5/08 at 5:51am
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You might at least remove the protective cover, then reset the desktop screen, before you declare it a disaster and return it.

Cover is off - it's obviously the backlight that's the problem. I imagine a lot of people wouldn't even notice but for photo work it's a no-go, so it's not exactly a disaster.

back at ya.
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post #294 of 363
5/5/08 at 7:36am
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Cover is off - it's obviously the backlight that's the problem. I imagine a lot of people wouldn't even notice but for photo work it's a no-go, so it's not exactly a disaster.

back at ya.

Now, that's better, at least you gave it a fair shot. I've been complaining about the display since last August, because I too do photo work. Anyway, I was just hoping that Apple decided to use better displays for the new models, instead of that last august disaster. It will no doubt work for most folks, but not for high end graphics, and/or photography, so, for those folks doing that work it IS a disaster.

If you live near an Apple Store, you might exchange it there, and check the replacement out before you leave the store.

I know that this is a major PITA, and Apple is acting like it's a non-issue. Good luck, and be sure to keep us up to date.
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post #295 of 363
5/5/08 at 8:12am
I live right next door to nowhere (not even an Apple store in the state ), so I've got an RMA number and free FedEx pickup. They are sending a replacement and I'm going to use this until it arrives. Support was good - I actually spoke with 2 applecare people (got cut off with the first one). Neither one really understood what I meant when I said the backlight was uneven, but they asked and I was then escalated. I said I wanted a replacement and that was that - very good service.

The screen itself would actually be pretty nice if the backlight was even. I'm not really minding the glossy screen too much, but I haven't really done much with it. I do have to say though, last evening I was using it and even with no windows behind me, some sun was coming in the room and landing on me. My reflection in the screen was enough that I couldn't see what I was working on (I was editing a photo). I'm definitely keeping a second monitor attached, and it's definitely not a glossy one
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post #296 of 363
5/5/08 at 8:22am
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I live right next door to nowhere (not even an Apple store in the state ), so I've got an RMA number and free FedEx pickup. They are sending a replacement and I'm going to use this until it arrives. Support was good - I actually spoke with 2 applecare people (got cut off with the first one). Neither one really understood what I meant when I said the backlight was uneven, but they asked and I was then escalated. I said I wanted a replacement and that was that - very good service.

The screen itself would actually be pretty nice if the backlight was even. I'm not really minding the glossy screen too much, but I haven't really done much with it. I do have to say though, last evening I was using it and even with no windows behind me, some sun was coming in the room and landing on me. My reflection in the screen was enough that I couldn't see what I was working on (I was editing a photo). I'm definitely keeping a second monitor attached, and it's definitely not a glossy one


Now all we need is to start a lottery concerning how many replacements it will take to get a good one. \
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post #297 of 363
5/5/08 at 9:26am
Looks like the 24-inch models are being offered with the same defective displays as the ones before the speed refresh.

I think it is safe to say that the 20-inch models will also have the same displays with the washed-out colors and uneven brightness. Has anyone seen it for themselves?

Having worked with iBook for the past 3 years with much patience, I was ready to run and grab a 20-inch 2.66gHz iMac, but was kindly reminded of the huge controversy surrounding the defective screens. While I am not a professional graphic artist, I am very sensitive to colors and I know that those small things will bother me a lot.

If only Apple listened to its consumers and replaced those screens (with an option for non-glossy screen - I can only hope) than the 20-inch 2.66gHz iMac would have been a perfect machine for me.
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5/5/08 at 9:57am
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Looks like the 24-inch models are being offered with the same defective displays as the ones before the speed refresh.

I think it is safe to say that the 20-inch models will also have the same displays with the washed-out colors and uneven brightness. Has anyone seen it for themselves?

Having worked with iBook for the past 3 years with much patience, I was ready to run and grab a 20-inch 2.66gHz iMac, but was kindly reminded of the huge controversy surrounding the defective screens. While I am not a professional graphic artist, I am very sensitive to colors and I know that those small things will bother me a lot.

If only Apple listened to its consumers and replaced those screens (with an option for non-glossy screen - I can only hope) than the 20-inch 2.66gHz iMac would have been a perfect machine for me.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh. it's not a matter of glossy, or non-glossy screens. It's a mater of uneven backlighting across the screen, glossy screen, or not, does not effect that.
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post #299 of 363
5/5/08 at 6:41pm
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhh. it's not a matter of glossy, or non-glossy screens. It's a mater of uneven backlighting across the screen, glossy screen, or not, does not effect that.

Perhaps if you had read my post, then you'd have realized that I recognize the uneven backlights as a separate problem to the glossy screen, not related.
Apple's display, has had a number of problems including uneven backlighting, dead pixels, washed-out colors, as well as a cheap gloss without any anti-glare coating or an option to at least drop the gloss for the end-users.
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post #300 of 363
5/5/08 at 6:53pm
I have to say for a "defective" screen, this thing is gorgeous. It makes my old 2001FP look like dirt next to it (nothing like a new monitor to make you realize how dim your old one was!).

Using this machine I doubt anyone would notice the backlight isn't even - I just did a couple Aperture tutorials and I wouldn't actually know if I hadn't checked the screen previously. It is actually really easy on the eyes - it is amazingly bright, but stays nice at dimmer levels. It is crystal clear which is something the glossy screen really highlights.

I'm really happy with my purchase overall - can't wait to actually do some work on it.
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post #301 of 363
5/5/08 at 6:55pm
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Perhaps if you had read my post, then you'd have realized that I recognize the uneven backlights as a separate problem to the glossy screen, not related.
Apple's display, has had a number of problems including uneven backlighting, dead pixels, washed-out colors, as well as a cheap gloss without any anti-glare coating or an option to at least drop the gloss for the end-users.

The only problem is consumers actually "like" the gloss. Hell I have to admit....matte LCDs look like shit to me.
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post #302 of 363
5/5/08 at 7:01pm
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I have to say for a "defective" screen, this thing is gorgeous. It makes my old 2001FP look like dirt next to it (nothing like a new monitor to make you realize how dim your old one was!).

Using this machine I doubt anyone would notice the backlight isn't even - I just did a couple Aperture tutorials and I wouldn't actually know if I hadn't checked the screen previously. It is actually really easy on the eyes - it is amazingly bright, but stays nice at dimmer levels. It is crystal clear which is something the glossy screen really highlights.

I'm really happy with my purchase overall - can't wait to actually do some work on it.

Calling the 24" defective is a bit hyperbolic. It's a very good screen and if I buy an iMac it's certainly going to be a 24" for the IPS screen.

I don't think i'm all that excited about OLED. I think if it had promise as a larger format TV it would have been here by now. I'm hoping Sony can turn FED into the next Trinitron

http://www.oled-display.info/sony-shows-fed-display
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post #303 of 363
5/5/08 at 8:31pm
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I have to say for a "defective" screen, this thing is gorgeous. It makes my old 2001FP look like dirt next to it (nothing like a new monitor to make you realize how dim your old one was!).

Using this machine I doubt anyone would notice the backlight isn't even - I just did a couple Aperture tutorials and I wouldn't actually know if I hadn't checked the screen previously. It is actually really easy on the eyes - it is amazingly bright, but stays nice at dimmer levels. It is crystal clear which is something the glossy screen really highlights.

I'm really happy with my purchase overall - can't wait to actually do some work on it.

Are people who are dismissing the whole "defective" screen issue using 20-inch iMacs?
I know that the issue has been more prevalent with the 20-inch models than 24-inch models, and I really do hope that the "defects" are not as noticeable as the angry guys on other forums are claiming to be. I live abroad where test driving a Mac is a rare luxury, so I haven't been able to see for myself what kind of screen the 20-inch iMacs are sporting.

I guess going from a 3year-old iBook to a brand new iMac will be an amazing upgrade for me, but I am a student and the purchase is right from my pockets, so the amount is pretty hefty for me. Needless to say, I am trying to get everything to be perfect if I am going to shell out a major sum.

When do you guys rekon the next refresh for iMac will take place? I heard November is the month. Do you think it will be worth the wait, though?
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5/5/08 at 9:30pm
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Originally Posted by paloozamalooza View Post

Are people who are dismissing the whole "defective" screen issue using 20-inch iMacs?
I know that the issue has been more prevalent with the 20-inch models than 24-inch models, and I really do hope that the "defects" are not as noticeable as the angry guys on other forums are claiming to be. I live abroad where test driving a Mac is a rare luxury, so I haven't been able to see for myself what kind of screen the 20-inch iMacs are sporting.

Problems are *never* as bad as angry people on internet forums make them out to be.
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5/5/08 at 9:56pm
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Perhaps if you had read my post, then you'd have realized that I recognize the uneven backlights as a separate problem to the glossy screen, not related.
Apple's display, has had a number of problems including uneven backlighting, dead pixels, washed-out colors, as well as a cheap gloss without any anti-glare coating or an option to at least drop the gloss for the end-users.

Apple had said somewhere that the screens had an anti-glare coating.

But on a glossy screen, this won't cut the reflections as much as it would with a matt screen. It doesn't bother most people though.

All manufacturers have screens with some dead pixels, even some of the most expensive monitors can have them. Most monitors have edge brightness problems where the backlight leaks around the edge of the LCD panel. The 24" screens definitely do not have washed out colors. You're just saying that to be more dramatic.

The only real problem is that some of these have the side to side brightness problem.
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post #306 of 363
5/5/08 at 10:16pm
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Calling the 24" defective is a bit hyperbolic. It's a very good screen and if I buy an iMac it's certainly going to be a 24" for the IPS screen.

I don't think i'm all that excited about OLED. I think if it had promise as a larger format TV it would have been here by now. I'm hoping Sony can turn FED into the next Trinitron

http://www.oled-display.info/sony-shows-fed-display

Samsung showed almost a couple dozen 31" OLED Tv screens at CBIT this year. that's the first time a manufacturer has shown more than one, unfinished, large panel that wasn't a laboratory sample. I do think we will see larger displays. But remember how long it took for the LCD to move from indicator size to a 14" monitor.

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5/5/08 at 10:21pm
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Are people who are dismissing the whole "defective" screen issue using 20-inch iMacs?
I know that the issue has been more prevalent with the 20-inch models than 24-inch models, and I really do hope that the "defects" are not as noticeable as the angry guys on other forums are claiming to be. I live abroad where test driving a Mac is a rare luxury, so I haven't been able to see for myself what kind of screen the 20-inch iMacs are sporting.

I guess going from a 3year-old iBook to a brand new iMac will be an amazing upgrade for me, but I am a student and the purchase is right from my pockets, so the amount is pretty hefty for me. Needless to say, I am trying to get everything to be perfect if I am going to shell out a major sum.

When do you guys rekon the next refresh for iMac will take place? I heard November is the month. Do you think it will be worth the wait, though?

Sunday night I ordered two 3.06 GHz 24" iMacs from Apple. Supposedly, they will ship between May 6th through the 8th, to arrive no later than the 14th, and perhaps as early as the 8th.

When they come, I'll relate whether they have the problem, and how serious it is, if the problem is present.
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post #308 of 363
5/6/08 at 12:03am
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I have to say for a "defective" screen, this thing is gorgeous. It makes my old 2001FP look like dirt next to it (nothing like a new monitor to make you realize how dim your old one was!).

Using this machine I doubt anyone would notice the backlight isn't even - I just did a couple Aperture tutorials and I wouldn't actually know if I hadn't checked the screen previously. It is actually really easy on the eyes - it is amazingly bright, but stays nice at dimmer levels. It is crystal clear which is something the glossy screen really highlights.

I'm really happy with my purchase overall - can't wait to actually do some work on it.

You guyz R jest mak'in the case fer glossy screens!
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5/6/08 at 7:33pm
I'm not sure if this was covered yet, but a recent MacRumours forum post lists the CPU-Z model numbers for these new imac chips. They aren't in any normal Intel listing and they are apparently Santa Rosa chips, not Montevina.

They may also be desktop chips, not notebook chips based on their Intel model number. Eventually the heat from desktop chips would be low enough to be used in the slim iMac. If this is the case Apple is saving a bundle on the chips, thus increasing its profit margin.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=479879
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5/6/08 at 7:52pm
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I'm not sure if this was covered yet, but a recent MacRumours forum post lists the CPU-Z model numbers for these new imac chips. They aren't in any normal Intel listing and they are apparently Santa Rosa chips, not Montevina.

They may also be desktop chips, not notebook chips based on their Intel model number. Eventually the heat from desktop chips would be low enough to be used in the slim iMac. If this is the case Apple is saving a bundle on the chips, thus increasing its profit margin.

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http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=479879

Very interesting. That link leads to this: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=353588

That's the actual CPU-Z result for the 3.06GHz model, which calls itself the E8435. Now, Intel's CPU numbers actually are logical, up to a point. The E8400, for example, is a 3.0GHz desktop processor with a 1333MHz bus speed and a 65W TDP (although it actually uses much less power than that). The letter that precedes the number doesn't mean it's a desktop CPU, however- it indicates the TDP "range" that the processor falls into. CPU-Z confirms that this is a Socket P processor with the GM965 northbridge; that means it is definitely a mobile processor, not a desktop part. Though obviously that line is pretty blurry in this case.
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5/6/08 at 7:57pm
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CPU-Z confirms that this is a Socket P processor with the GM965 northbridge; that means it is definitely a mobile processor, not a desktop part. Though obviously that line is pretty blurry in this case.

I was just coming to edit my post with that info. It's a pretty interesting arrangement that Intel has with Apple.
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5/7/08 at 2:30pm
Received my 3.06 24" iMac yesterday. The upper and lower horizontal thirds of the display are significantly brighter than the center, there are several bright patches at the top and bottom edges of the screen and the upper left quadrant is dramatically brighter than the rest of the screen.
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5/7/08 at 6:13pm
I went back to the Apple Store last night and the staff replaced my faulty 3.06Ghz model on the spot.

Now, I really love the iMac.
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5/7/08 at 8:51pm
I hope I won't have to do that when my two 24" 3.06 models come in, hopefully, this week.
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post #315 of 363
5/10/08 at 9:59am
Does anyone with a 3.06 iMac notice any excessive fan noise? I do audio work and can't have fans kicking on all over the place.

Thanks!

P.S.

I'm buying an iMac in the next couple hours.
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5/10/08 at 10:08am
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Does anyone with a 3.06 iMac notice any excessive fan noise? I do audio work and can't have fans kicking on all over the place.

Thanks!

P.S.

I'm buying an iMac in the next couple hours.

That's a bit short of a time to expect a response from someone that has one.
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5/10/08 at 11:10am
A point that has not been mentioned here. Once you have calibrated the display on your iMac (you do calibrate, using a colorimeter, religiously, don't you?), you do NOT adjust the brightness. If you do, then the display has to be re-calibrated, because you've just screwed up the current calibration. Uneven brightness is a MAJOR issue for calibration, and if you want to get correct colors, and print them, then you WILL calibrate, or you WON'T get them.

Most folks could not care less, but for some of us, it's enough to make or break the deal. Everyone else can relax, have a cold one!
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5/10/08 at 12:11pm
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That's a bit short of a time to expect a response from someone that has one.

Sorry about that,

I'm off to buy one!
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5/10/08 at 8:12pm
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A point that has not been mentioned here. Once you have calibrated the display on your iMac (you do calibrate, using a colorimeter, religiously, don't you?), you do NOT adjust the brightness. If you do, then the display has to be re-calibrated, because you've just screwed up the current calibration. Uneven brightness is a MAJOR issue for calibration, and if you want to get correct colors, and print them, then you WILL calibrate, or you WON'T get them.

Most folks could not care less, but for some of us, it's enough to make or break the deal. Everyone else can relax, have a cold one!

I'm eagerly awaiting the two bought for my wife and daughter.

My wife's machine isn't of a concern, but my daughter, has started in photography, and uses CS3.

I'll calibrate her machine with my i1 PhotoUV, as I've done with my screens (and printers).

But, the brightness is adjusted by the software, once the illumination level is ascertained, in her case a level of about 120.

But, you're right, nothing should be changed after a profile is made. Once a month is a good interval to redo the profile.
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5/10/08 at 8:57pm
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I'm eagerly awaiting the two bought for my wife and daughter.

My wife's machine isn't of a concern, but my daughter, has started in photography, and uses CS3.

I'll calibrate her machine with my i1 PhotoUV, as I've done with my screens (and printers).

But, the brightness is adjusted by the software, once the illumination level is ascertained, in her case a level of about 120.

But, you're right, nothing should be changed after a profile is made. Once a month is a good interval to redo the profile.

BINGO! You nailed it.

What camera system is your daughter using? I use CS3, but my main post processing software is Nikon Capture NX. Of course, Leopard can be a real problem with NX, which is why I'm still on 10.4.11. Some folks can't get NX to work worth a crap under Leopard, others can but say they still have problems.

IMO, it much harder to get accurate colors from the camera using CS3 than it is using Nikon's proprietary algorithms. Plus NX has D-Lighting, which is amazing, and easy to use. Sometimes I use both programs, and CS3 is easy to use for setting up printer profiles. Believe it or not, one can get really good prints from online min-labs, IF one has the correct profile for the printer paper combo to be used. I have a local Costco that does great print work, using Fuji crystal Archive paper, and I can't even begin to print at home for the same prices.

At this point, I'll bet dollars to donuts, and them's good odds, that she shoots Canon.
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