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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

Well you hope not do realize that the usage of computers in schools has changed and will continue to change. While I don't know the age group we are talking about here it is not to difficult to imagine a kid taking a photography class or having a video project to deal with. Even with these though you will not tax the iMac that much.


I liked your arguments about RAM and memory, but in my mind your suggestion to go low end with Apple hardware is a bit off base. You go up a model or two not for the RAM and disk space offered, which as you point out gets cheaper every year, but for the processor speed. Like video RAM not easy to update so it pays to get the faster machine if you expect to have it around for the long haul.

The question of course for this specific issue is just how fast will software and the users outgrow the processor speed of a base unit. The problem is you can't predict when or how that will happen, but you can give your self as much breathing room as possible. As an example some time ago I built up a Linux machine which I thought was a pretty good value even if the processor was modest. That Linux box worked pretty good through (1) one upgrade of the OS after which it was noticeably under powered.

Now I'm not trying to say that Apple will evolve it OS in a way that will outstrip the ability of todays processors to deliver good performance in 4 years. Just that you don't really know what will happen and the difference between the slowest and fastest processor 4 to 6 years down the road could be significant. Considering you can't normally upgrade an iMacs processor it is something to think about.

Dave

The original poster's question was about kids who will be in elementary school over the next 5 years. My 6th grader is currently having a great time playing with Final Cut Express on our 2yr old iMac -- far beyond anything required by his school. I realize schools are going more multimedia, but I'm confident today's base iMac will handle anything required of elementary kids over the next 5yrs. So here's my bottom line: if money is no object, by all means get the fastest possible beast ($2199 for the 3.06GHz with all the extras). But the base model ($1199) will likely be MORE than enough for young kids for several years. In 4 years, you can then take that $1000 you saved (perhaps doubled or tripled if invested in AAPL!) and buy something that will be far more powerful than the maxed-out system you could buy right now.

(I realize I'm not talking about gaming issues, but the poster was asking about schoolwork. If you want to run the hottest games at the highest speeds, then you'll absolutely benefit from the maxed-out system.)
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Any idea why Apple did not bump the Mini? Do you think it will come in the next few weeks, or will they slip it into WMDC? (surely they have better announcements to make?) .....

Any news or speculation welcomed!
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Shame about there being no non-glossy option, that rules it out for me as a designer.

Australian/US prices (Both ex tax US$ @ A$ = conservative US $0.93.5. The A$ has reached US $0.95.6 last week which should make Australian prices 2.2% cheaper again)

Model / Aus Price / USA Price / Markup

20" 2.4Ghz / US$ 1,554.69 / US$ 1,199.00 / 29.7%

20" 2.4Ghz / US$ 1,943.61 / US$ 1,499.00 / 29.7%

24" 2.8Ghz / US$ 2,332.53 / US$ 1,799.00 / 29.7%*

24" 3.0Ghz / US$ 2,915.90 / US$ 1,999.00 / 45.9%

4 Gb RAM / US$ 291.68 / US$ 200.00 / 45.8%

750 Gb HD / US$ 145.84 / US$100.00 / 45.8%

1 Tb HD / US$ 359.75 / US$150.00 / 139.8% * Street price Ext HD US$ 289.75

W/L Mouse / US$ 29.17 / US$20.00 / 45.8%

W/l Keybd / US$ 38.89 / US$30.00 / 29.7%

Applecare / US$ 260.57 / US$169.00 / 54.2%

Interesting is the 2 tier pricing and the "Super Luxury Tax" Apple charges on certain extras such as the top speed, largest HD & Applecare. Are they trying to discourage Australian users from these models? I just got a 1.5 Tb WD My Book Pro II with FW 400, FW 800 & USB 2 & Raid for US$ 387.95 ex tax, a shade more than their "Upgrade" to a 1 Tb standard HD.

Long Live the Australian/USA Free Trade Agreement.

* The refurbished white non glossy 24" iMac 2.Ghz is looking a steal at US $1,199. A shame they are no longer available in Australia.
post #44 of 363
It does look like Apple has gotten the Montevina chips ahead of schedule and before everyone else. I was waiting for this to get an older iMac but I think I'll go with a new one since it's Montevina.

• X9100 (3.06 GHz, 6MB L2 1066MHz FSB, 44W TDP) — $851 [May 2008 Release Date]
• 9600 (2.8 GHz, 6MB, 1066 FSB, 35W TDP) — $530 [May 2008 Release Date]
• ?????? (2.6 GHz, 6MB, 1066 FSB 25W TDP) — $???
• SP9400 (2.4 GHz, 6MB, 1066 FSB, 25W TDP) — $316 [May 2008 Release Date]

PS: Any help with confirmation and of the 2.66 GHz chip used would be great.
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post #45 of 363
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Originally Posted by roehlstation View Post

Just take the glass off the front. and you have matte finish.

I think that kind of makes it silly to put the glass on in the first place, worst of both worlds. You get the reflection of the glass and the diffused light too on the angles you don't have glare.
post #46 of 363
This, short of the uber Nehalem release of early '09 is the one for me.

I'm buying this. 8+ years. I've had enough wit the waiting.

It's got the psychological 3 gig.

And.

It's got the 512 meg card. Just shy of the GT's performance. I'll take that bet...

I guess 'heat' or 'cheapo' reasons came to the fore...re not the GT. But hey, the GS is offering twice + the bench of the Pro. So. No arguments there.

But...having looked at the benches...it's not a bad card at all. Well, in a 1 and a half inch closure. That aint too bad.

And a 24 inch screen. Take that away. - £400 and you've got a £900 PC. Dual core 3 gig. 512 megs gpu card. 2 gigs of ram and a 1/2 terra byte HD. That'll do. How much porn can you store on yer HD anyhow? :I

You'd be hard pressed to find a better deal at PC World...

Yep. As long as I can do my pre-vis and play a game of City of Heroes in Boot Camp...

Yeah.

I'm off to Gordy's...

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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post #47 of 363
It's a good deal.

Lemon Bon Bon.

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WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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post #48 of 363
Well. For Apple.

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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post #49 of 363
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The original poster's question was about kids who will be in elementary school over the next 5 years. My 6th grader is currently having a great time playing with Final Cut Express on our 2yr old iMac -- far beyond anything required by his school. I realize schools are going more multimedia, but I'm confident today's base iMac will handle anything required of elementary kids over the next 5yrs. So here's my bottom line: if money is no object, by all means get the fastest possible beast ($2199 for the 3.06GHz with all the extras). But the base model ($1199) will likely be MORE than enough for young kids for several years. In 4 years, you can then take that $1000 you saved (perhaps doubled or tripled if invested in AAPL!) and buy something that will be far more powerful than the maxed-out system you could buy right now.

(I realize I'm not talking about gaming issues, but the poster was asking about schoolwork. If you want to run the hottest games at the highest speeds, then you'll absolutely benefit from the maxed-out system.)

Agree in part.

One child is only 4 and the other 6. Going for two or even one high end for the oldest seems overkill. Doubt that they would appreciate the difference right now.

Even going for extra RAM is questionable. Remember this (as asked by NOFEER) was for school use, i.e., grades pre-school/1 to 3/5, not for gaming.

I would suggest getting one of the Britannica Encyclopedia Suites for the difference. It will have more value for a heck of a lot longer than will the two Macs together, and they will have something to read when the power fails.
post #50 of 363
The new memory upgrade is actually $200 to go from 2GB to 4GB. And it's 800 GHz memory instead of the previous generation's 667. That's not bad at all.

I like this upgrade a lot, and I'm glad I waited. It's going to be like a rocket compared to my 1.8GHz original iMac G5.
post #51 of 363
Yeah wow, I never would have noticed the new iMac announcement, what with Apple being so "quiet" about it. No mention of it anywhere on the Apple website.

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So are these Montevina chips?


YES THEY ARE. Intel is once again giving Apple special preference and giving them the chip not just before everyone else, but also before the official release date scheduled for next month. It's a good time to be a Mac user.

PS: Any assistance on the model number for the 2.66 GHz chip would be great.
PPS: Anyone still think Apple is going to dump Intel for P.A. Semi made PPCs?
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

YES THEY ARE. Intel is once again giving Apple special preference and giving them the chip not just before everyone else, but also before the official release date scheduled for next month. It's a good time to be a Mac user.

PS: Any assistance on the model number for the 2.66 GHz chip would be great.
PPS: Anyone still think Apple is going to dump Intel for P.A. Semi made PPCs?

lol, Intel is trying to court apple by giving them preferential treatment
post #54 of 363
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Originally Posted by elroth View Post

The new memory upgrade is actually $200 to go from 2GB to 4GB. And it's 800 GHz memory instead of the previous generation's 667. That's not bad at all.

Actually, that's still way overpriced. You can get a full 4 GB of the exact same memory for under $100 elsewhere (and by the way it's 800 MHz, not GHz). Try checking the prices for 4 GB of 800 MHz DDR2 memory at Dealram. Never buy RAM or HD upgrades from Apple.
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Originally Posted by gastroboy View Post

Shame about there being no non-glossy option, that rules it out for me as a designer.

Griffin or some other third party company should create a matching hood and anti-glare film for the iMac to reduce glare from lights and make it more usable by graphics professionals.

It looks like they aren't using the cheaper display anymore. They are claiming "Millions of colors at all resolutions" for both models.
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Originally Posted by RoamingGnome View Post

lol, Intel is trying to court apple by giving them preferential treatment

Maybe they are giving Apple pre-release chips so that Mac users can help them debug the chips?
post #57 of 363
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Originally Posted by Stormchild View Post

Actually, that's still way overpriced. You can get a full 4 GB of the exact same memory for under $100 elsewhere (and by the way it's 800 MHz, not GHz). Try checking the prices for 4 GB of 800 MHz DDR2 memory at Dealram. Never buy RAM or HD upgrades from Apple.

That doesn't give you the price for the SODIMMS though.

I too thought the line at the bottom of the story was a bit silly:

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Apple is also now offering more reasonable pricing for iMac memory upgrades, with an upgrade from 1GB to 2GB costing $100, and an upgrade from 2GB to 4GB fetching just $300.

More reasonable being in terms of previous pricing and not in comparison to what you might be able to buy the same kind of memory from what might be the same supplier. As it is, the Apple upgrade price is still 3x that of buying the memory upgrade outright.
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... is finally gone.
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Originally Posted by RoamingGnome View Post

lol, Intel is trying to court apple by giving them preferential treatment

Symbiotic relationship. Apple gets to feel special and Intel gets the free press associated with Apple's elite machines showcasing their new chips.
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More reasonable being in terms of previous pricing and not in comparison to what you might be able to buy the same kind of memory from what might be the same supplier. As it is, the Apple upgrade price is still 3x that of buying the memory outright.

Fair enough but Apple is not just selling you the RAM they are installing and presumably testing it as well.

Not a big deal, especially if it is being done in the assembly line.

I have never, ever had Apple install either a Hard Drive, optical Drive or RAM. I try to picture the lazy/slow witted/gullible/fearful/overpaid users who think it is a good idea for Apple to install simple upgrades for them.
post #61 of 363
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Yeah wow, I never would have noticed the new iMac announcement, what with Apple being so "quiet" about it. No mention of it anywhere on the Apple website.

That wasn't there when the new iMacs were posted to the web store. I think the delay was several hours.
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Originally Posted by gastroboy View Post

Fair enough but Apple is not just selling you the RAM they are installing and presumably testing it as well.

Not a big deal, especially if it is being done in the assembly line.

I doubt it's anywhere nearly that expensive to test or upgrade memory, especially give that the cost difference is enough for more than an entire ipod nano.

I don't doubt that there are those that will pay it, but I really don't think they are getting their money's worth on the upgrade.
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I try to picture the lazy/slow witted/gullible/fearful/overpaid users who think it is a good idea for Apple to install simple upgrades for them.

I think it's a great idea for a large majority of the Mac community. Not for me or people on this forum, but for the time poor/non-technical users who would rather have the encompassing warranty of the Apple factory install than having to save a $100 buying looking on online for a cheap electronics seller, then either reading countless reviews or just making a purchase without knowing the quality or legitimacy of the online store when they give their CC info over, and then figuring out how to install it correctly. What may be the right for you and me isn't necessarily the right choice for everyone.
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I don't doubt that there are those that will pay it, but I really don't think they are getting their money's worth on the upgrade.

Peace of mind is a powerful selling point. So is simplicity.
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I doubt it's anywhere nearly that expensive to test or upgrade memory, especially give that the cost difference is enough for more than an entire ipod nano.

I don't doubt that there are those that will pay it, but I really don't think they are getting their money's worth on the upgrade.

Anyone care to do a cross comparison to what Dell charges for their "upgrades?

I always have trouble getting onto their US website, it redirects to the local one.

This is one point PC users do win. Apple does gouge on extras. In Australia it goes well beyond just gouging, it eviscerates.
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

That doesn't give you the price for the SODIMMS though.

I too thought the line at the bottom of the story was a bit silly:

More reasonable being in terms of previous pricing and not in comparison to what you might be able to buy the same kind of memory from what might be the same supplier. As it is, the Apple upgrade price is still 3x that of buying the memory upgrade outright.

More like 7x. I just bought a 2GB module for an iMac for $33 from Newegg. Shipping was a couple of dollars.
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I think it was a mistake to not add a Blu ray reader. In a year's time, not having a Blu ray reader will be like not having a DVD reader today. i.e. a major problem.

I don't think so. Blu-ray is still a footnote to DVD and the cost os still too high. There are still some technological changes that have to happen on the Mac platform before Blu-ray can be added across the line.

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I guess Apple does keep it's employees in the dark...

Every now and then you'll meet an Apple Store sales clerk who reads these forums, but not often. They, like most people, are not technical and have lives that don't revolve around the latest tech releases. They certainly wouldn't be the fist place I'd look for rumours.
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Peace of mind is a powerful selling point. So is simplicity.

If someone thinks that $800/hr is a good rate to pay for that, then so be it. I know some people are really bad and might ruin more than that in an hour, but it's not that hard. I think the instructions are even in the manual.
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Australian/US prices (Both ex tax US$ @ A$ = conservative US $0.93.5. The A$ has reached US $0.95.6 last week which should make Australian prices 2.2% cheaper again)

Model / Aus Price / USA Price / Markup
24" 3.0Ghz / US$ 2,915.90 / US$ 1,999.00 / 45.9%

Am I missing something here?

The base price for a 24" 3Ghz in the US is $2199. The listed price in Australia is $2726 ($2554 US)

Is there not a 5% (Australian) custom tariff on goods over $1000 plus shipping and insurance included in the list price? If so, the difference drops from $255 US to $30 ($110 customs plus shipping and insurance $110) The GST is extra.
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No glossy/matte screen choice. Customer feedback not reaching engineers.

This has nothing to do with the engineers. It's a decision made at the top management level Jobs and Ives.
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So.... what does Montevina have over Santa Rosa?

• WiMAX?(which won't be enabled on the iMac)
• Hardware H.2.64 decoding
• Lower power usage (not a big selling point in a desktop)
• Smaller chip and subsequent MoBo
• Blu-ray HDCP support on chip
• Can use Integrated GPU for Blu-ray playback
• Robson 2.0 (2nd version of Turbo memory)
• DDR3 Ram
• Intel GMA X4500 (3 versions)

Is that correct?


So, to all the people cursing Apple for not releasing the Santa Rosa/Penryn iMac. is this a welcome upgrade that Apple jumped to Montevina/Penryn before Intel even officially releases the chip? Or is there other things ot complain about?
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I remember I've seen a clear cover that covert your glossy iMac and MacBook display to matte! I just can't find it now.
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Anyone care to do a cross comparison to what Dell charges for their "upgrades?

Dell currently charges $50 per additional GB of RAM.

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If someone thinks that $800/hr is a good rate to pay for that, then so be it.

Where do you get $800/hr? It's $100 per GB which is a huge time saver, keeps the average person from getting screwed on price by the average online website, and gives then them the peace of mind of an encompassing warranty.

You don't seem to understand that the average person doesn't know the RAM from the HDD from the CPU. If I were to walk into any computer repair/upgrade shop I will be paying about the same and perhaps more money than Apple charges for the RAM upgrade.... and I'd have to physically bring the machine in, which is a chore.

I don't take my cars to auto repair shops because I can do the work myself. I also don't need warranties and thus don't waste money on new cars because I can do the work myself. That isn't a luxury most people have because most people know how to drive cars but haven't a clue about them past filling up the gas tank. And the technical people on this forum does not represent thea average Mac user, especially since it's popularity has increased.
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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post

This, short of the uber Nehalem release of early '09 is the one for me.

I'm buying this. 8+ years. I've had enough wit the waiting.

It's got the psychological 3 gig.

And.

It's got the 512 meg card. Just shy of the GT's performance. I'll take that bet...

I guess 'heat' or 'cheapo' reasons came to the fore...re not the GT. But hey, the GS is offering twice + the bench of the Pro. So. No arguments there.

But...having looked at the benches...it's not a bad card at all. Well, in a 1 and a half inch closure. That aint too bad.

And a 24 inch screen. Take that away. - £400 and you've got a £900 PC. Dual core 3 gig. 512 megs gpu card. 2 gigs of ram and a 1/2 terra byte HD. That'll do. How much porn can you store on yer HD anyhow? :I

You'd be hard pressed to find a better deal at PC World...

Yep. As long as I can do my pre-vis and play a game of City of Heroes in Boot Camp...

Yeah.

I'm off to Gordy's...

Lemon Bon Bon.

You're really doing it LBB? I never thought I'd see the day! If so, congratulations
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

YES THEY ARE. Intel is once again giving Apple special preference and giving them the chip not just before everyone else, but also before the official release date scheduled for next month. It's a good time to be a Mac user.

PS: Any assistance on the model number for the 2.66 GHz chip would be great.
PPS: Anyone still think Apple is going to dump Intel for P.A. Semi made PPCs?

That's what it looks like. It's also why I keep saying that we may see Nehalem announced at the ADC for the Mac Pro. I do hope so!

I think that this would be the third time Intel has done this for Apple.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

Griffin or some other third party company should create a matching hood and anti-glare film for the iMac to reduce glare from lights and make it more usable by graphics professionals.

Power Support and Photodon offer anti-glare films that can be quickly added or removed to suit the situation.
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Originally Posted by backtomac View Post

You're preaching to the choir there.

But I'll let Mel come by and explain himself.

I didn't see anything to indicate that the display has been upgraded, and if not, we still get the uneven lighting and color across the screen. \

Quick, somebody go buy a 24" model, and tell me that the problem is gone!
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Originally Posted by gastroboy View Post

Maybe they are giving Apple pre-release chips so that Mac users can help them debug the chips?

Very funny.
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Am I missing something here?

Yes, for a start you have the conversion around the wrong way, you divide by 0.935.

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The base price for a 24" 3Ghz in the US is $2199. The listed price in Australia is $2726 ($2554 US)

Is there not a 5% (Australian) custom tariff on goods over $1000 plus shipping and insurance included in the list price? If so, the difference drops from $255 US to $30 ($110 customs plus shipping and insurance $110) The GST is extra.

There is an Australian/USA Free trade agreement in place. To my knowledge there is no customs tariff.

As the goods are ex China and Australian ports are closer to Chinese ports than even the US west coast, I fail to see where there are extra costs involved.

There will be insurance on USA shipments as well so your calculation is double dipping.

The GST has been removed from the calculation to square up the comparison, as the US Apple site does not include USA taxes.

If there is a pro-rata extra cost in freight and insurance that does not explain the radically different price markups for the higher end products and extras. Freight actually wouldn't vary as in most cases the weight of different RAM or HD would not change and the box is the same size.

This is Apple charging whatever it feels it can get away with and shifting profits away from Australia and back to the USA head office. Our previous government was complicit in writing soft laws that prevent parallel or grey marketing of imports to prevent this sort of exploitation.

The so called FTA with the States has opened us up to the kind of abuse that Canada has suffered, where our competitive products are blocked in the US market, whilst the USA does whatever it wants in ours.

With friends like this...
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Bring on the 3.06 GHz, 750GB HD, nVidia 8800 Mini and I will remodel the bedroom to make room for the Bravia!
And oh yeah, a better yen exchange rate too please.

OOO.. sounds so nice .. might do one myself ,, great idea
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