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So, Apple is pulling out all the stops. AppleTalk-style IP discovery! Inkwell! An entirely OpenGL-powered interface!

Discuss.

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Steve Jobs has given us the "SEX"
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10.2 is dead.

10.5 in fall and only $85.00 upgrade.
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Are you just saying that or do you have a source?
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Was 10.2 demo'd at the conference? If yes, how was the performance of it?
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Educated guess dear boy.

These arn't bug fixes these are added featurers and they are going to make us PAY, and how.
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Maccentral.com Blows...wish my girl would go down as much as they do.

Keep the info coming guys! And ladies
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-- iChat, Apple's new AIM-compatible instant messaging software that is
built into Mac OS X and integrated with the new Mail and Address Book
applications;
-- QuickTime(R) 6, the first complete solution for industry standard MPEG-
4 video and AAC audio streaming;
-- Rendezvous, Apple's proposed new industry standard for automatic
discovery of computers, devices, and services on IP networks (i.e.,
Ethernet, AirPort(R));
-- Address Book, Apple's new system-wide database for managing contact
information;
-- Finder(TM), now enhanced with spring-loaded folders and new instant
searching;
-- Sherlock(R) 3, Apple's all-new Internet search and services tool;
-- Quartz(TM) Extreme, the hardware accelerated Quartz graphics and
compositing engine;
-- UNIX Tools, the latest UNIX advancements including FreeBSD 4.4 updates,
the new GCC 3 compiler, IPv6 and IPSec; and
-- Windows Support, for increased compatibility with Windows networks with
SMB browsing and sharing as well as built-in PPTP VPN security.
post #9 of 339
Addison, so what you meant to say was "Yes, I'm talking out of my rear".

As far as Jaguar, Steve announced just a huge amount of improvements and new stuff as well such as Inkwell and dynamic IP locating. The Mail app is getting beefed up considerably, and will allegedly be able to connect to Exchange servers, which is something I desperately need where I work.
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[quote]Originally posted by Xaqtly:
<strong>The Mail app is getting beefed up considerably, and will allegedly be able to connect to Exchange servers, which is something I desperately need where I work.</strong><hr></blockquote>I wonder what that means exactly, though. You already can use Mail to send and receive email on Exchange servers.
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The list, from MacCentral:

[quote] 141 Jaguar-related sessions at WWDC, according to Jobs. Jaguar developer preview CD going to WWDC attendees today. (6 CDs: 2 client, 2 developer, 2 server CDs.)

Jobs: "A week from tomorrow there'll be some news on the server front." May 14th: Apple introducing a dedicated server, rack mount model.

Jaguar Server: Net Install and Net Boot support. Every single server can install off of that. Built in Open Directory (LDAP). Server-optimized Java Virtual Machine.

iChat: AIM-compatible messaging built in to Jaguar. Can create buddy list of anyone on the local network, as well. You can use your Mac.com name and don't need AOL account. Sorting. "First time AOL has let anyone under the tent," said Jobs (although others have reversed-engineered AIM compatible chat apps).

Jaguar also features database technology which can be used for any app, system wide. Tied into Bluetooth. LDAP searching built in too.

Mail. Sophisticated rules added. Auto merge mailboxes (multiple accts merged into a single mailbox). Cross mailbox searching. Color highlighting. Security features added. VPN client. Spam filtering. QuickTime support.

Rendezvous. Dynamic IP discovery. Lets computers "dynamically discover each other and share them." Proposing as a new industry standard. Jobs cited example of multiple Macs working at home sharing MP3 files with iTunes between multiple computers. Demonstrated example of MP3 files streaming over AirPort. Works with any IP-ready device; built into Jaguar and will also be offered as an open industry standard that can be built into specific devices.

Inkwell. Handwriting recognition technology. Recognized by any application that uses text, even basic UNIX applications like Terminal.

It is not possible on older graphics cards like RAGE 128 cards, said Jobs -- that means it'll work on newer iMacs and eMacs, but not on older machines, he emphasized. AGP 2x and 32MB video RAM are required for this new technology. Jobs said this puts Apple two years ahead of "the other guys."

Quartz Extreme: Takes the compositing engine in Quartz, and accelerates it in graphics cards. Combines 2D, 3D and video in one hardware pipeline via OpenGL. "Everything on the screen is being drawn in hardware by OpenGL." Requires AGP 2x and 32MB of video RAM.

Universal Access. Zooming supported via Quartz. Screenreader -- cursor over text will read it to you. Full keyboard access. Visual notification. They're all available to developers in APIs in Jaguar.

Jobs: "This is the start of something very good." Feels that QuickTime 6 is the best MPEG4 technology available.

QuickTime 6. Jobs: "Integrated into Jaguar." Highest quality video, open standard. AAC audio, invented by Dolby. Instant on streaming, free QuickTime broadcaster. Casanova then demonstrated various QuickTime 6 features, including the compression capabilities of AAC, the quality level of MPEG4 encoding.

Sherlock 3. Pure HTML rendered into Sherlock 3, making it easier to preview content. New channels, new emphasis on channels (like Yellow Pages, for example). Bereskin showed example by pulling up directions and other information about local eateries.

Jobs on new Jaguar features: Finder improvements -- integrated search, multithreading support, automatic thumbnail creation, spring loaded folders. <hr></blockquote>
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post #12 of 339
Wonder what that database stuff is about...
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[quote]Originally posted by anavrin:
<strong>-- iChat, Apple's new AIM-compatible instant messaging software that is
built into Mac OS X and integrated with the new Mail and Address Book
applications;
-- QuickTime(R) 6, the first complete solution for industry standard MPEG-
4 video and AAC audio streaming;
-- Rendezvous, Apple's proposed new industry standard for automatic
discovery of computers, devices, and services on IP networks (i.e.,
Ethernet, AirPort(R));
-- Address Book, Apple's new system-wide database for managing contact
information;
-- Finder(TM), now enhanced with spring-loaded folders and new instant
searching;
-- Sherlock(R) 3, Apple's all-new Internet search and services tool;
-- Quartz(TM) Extreme, the hardware accelerated Quartz graphics and
compositing engine;
-- UNIX Tools, the latest UNIX advancements including FreeBSD 4.4 updates,
the new GCC 3 compiler, IPv6 and IPSec; and
-- Windows Support, for increased compatibility with Windows networks with
SMB browsing and sharing as well as built-in PPTP VPN security.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Droolable! Ummm I think this is worthy of a upgrade price. I hope that "Rendezvous" doesn't fall victime to the PC Fillabuster(ie stalling until they've hacked together a half baked competitor and claiming it the king) Kudo Apple...make it fast and hook me up!
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post #14 of 339
WOW! I just got back and read the roundup. Very cool stuff. And they are finally going rack mount as well! Of course, now who is going to be the wet blanket and rain on the parade?
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post #15 of 339
Well, I looks like Sherlock 3 is actually Watson...



Waddya think?
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iChat...



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[quote]Originally posted by low-fi:
<strong>Well, I looks like Sherlock 3 is actually Watson...



Waddya think?</strong><hr></blockquote>


That is EXACTLY what I thought! Sounds freaking good to me though! What does Watson retail at again? 30 bucks?? Right on Apple!

::EDIT::

Now that I look at it more though, I'm not sure that I like the brushed metal look. I mean, Sherlock right now looks a heak of a lot better than that. And so does Watson... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

::EDIT - AGAIN::

The more I look at iChat, Address Book, and Sherlock 3, the more I realize that I HATE that brushed metal look! YUCK! Everything looks so clean within the aqua interface until they start messin' with that QuickTime-ish brushed metal.

Brushed Metal = Major Bummer

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Looks like there's more that Jobs didn't cover. Address Book got a major overhaul. :eek:
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post #19 of 339
Sherlock 3 and iChat and Address Book... did they have to go with the brushed metal look?

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post #20 of 339
Low-fi beat me to it. Well, it was inevitable and ultimately better for the platform, though I wish the Karelia folks good luck. Watson probably has some more features by the look of it anyway.

I thought all this Quartz-to-GPU-via-OpenGL business was heresay. I guess you really can do that.

Is Address Book what they were talking about as a database, or do they mean something else?
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I agree. I don't mind the brushed metal in iTunes and QT, but this is getting ridiculous. The iChat interface is less than impressive.

[quote]Originally posted by SurfRat:
<strong>

Now that I look at it more though, I'm not sure that I like the brushed metal look. I mean, Sherlock right now looks a heak of a lot better than that. And so does Watson... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

::EDIT - AGAIN::

The more I look at iChat, Address Book, and Sherlock 3, the more I realize that I HATE that brushed metal look! YUCK! Everything looks so clean within the aqua interface until they start messin' with that QuickTime-ish brushed metal.

Brushed Metal = Major Bummer

[</strong><hr></blockquote>
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>iChat...



<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Next thing you know, we'll be able to choose from a gallery of our own faces, instead of using emoticons. Now won't that be fun?

Add me to the chorus that hates the brushed metal look. Yech!!
post #23 of 339
I don't get it... I think the whole brushed metal look is awesome! Though I don't care much for the iChat text "bubbles".

On another note, I still can't believe you need a AGP 2x for Quartz Extreme...!!
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[quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:
<strong>Low-fi beat me to it. Well, it was inevitable and ultimately better for the platform, though I wish the Karelia folks good luck. Watson probably has some more features by the look of it anyway.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Apple likely bought Watson. The two companies were getting very close and the sherlock is almost identical. I'm quite sure Apple bought watson
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iChat.....

here's my take on it. The faces are tantamount to the AIM feature of Buddy Icons.

I am almost certain that a less obtrusive option will be available- more along the lines of a normal AIM style interface with the name: message convention. The bubbles will most certainly be able to be turned off.

What's good about iChat: full feature set of AIM, or so it appears. I'm also going to guess that, if iChat sucks, the third parties (Adium et al) will be able to get onto the iChat servers with little difficulty.

Or so I hope. I would really hate to see Apple release such an interface disaster as that iChat that we're seeing now.

EDIT: see the rightmost button between the text entry box and the message field? Sure as hell looks like a toggle the balloon thing on and off switch to me.

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Well done Apple, talk about hitting us with everything you've got... On the other hand WTF is going on with all this brushed aluminium stuff? I never liked it much to begin with but this is getting ridiculous! <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
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The dialog idea for iChat isn't a bad one, just implemented in a cheesy way. Seems like it would fall apart with more than 2 people chatting. Yes, that little right-hand button does look like it turns off the dialog bubbles. The buddy icons are fine. The talk bubbles are unnecessary if the text is aligned well enough to the icons. Keep Aqua Clean -- the new battlecry.

IMO the brushed metal looks fine in limited areas. Thyings like the iTunes equalizers are perhaps a bit much. But I don't think the brushed metal looks so dark on my screen at home. I can understand why iChat and Sherlock have the look as more iApps (hey I almost guessed it ) but the address book seems like it should be a standard Aqua utlity window or something.
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More iChat tidbits:

It appears that your online buddies appear in the iChat Menu Extra. A conventional buddy list window is available as well.

full support of AIM feature set, direct connect, etcetera.

Also optional is encrypted iChat with other iChat users.


Full AddressBook/Mail/iChat integration.

Mail now uses fuzzy logic spam filtering and has an advanced spam-detection algorithm...

Wow.
post #29 of 339
Ahhh Inkwell.

It's all going according to plan now. Yes. All according to plan. Excellent. I will be at MWNY for the unveiling as well.
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[quote]Originally posted by Apple:
Most spam programs use unsophisticated filters to block email. The Mail program in Jaguar, however, uses an advanced semantic inference engine to actually understand the structure of spam.....<hr></blockquote>
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[quote]Originally posted by hmurchison:
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I hope that "Rendezvous" doesn't fall victime to the PC Fillabuster(ie stalling until they've hacked together a half baked competitor and claiming it the king)</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually, at least a part of it (ZeroConf) is already supported by Windows XP, so chances are good it in fact will become sort of an industry standard.

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[quote]Originally posted by Fotek2001:
<strong>Well done Apple, talk about hitting us with everything you've got... On the other hand WTF is going on with all this brushed aluminium stuff? I never liked it much to begin with but this is getting ridiculous! <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

To be fair, Sherlock {Watson} will not be open all the time, and frankly, neither will iChat if it only supports mac.com and AIM.

Wats...sorry, Sherlock does look crap with all brushed aluminium. Perhaps it is just that view currently on the site, or it could just look shit.

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I am excited about Jaguar. Looks like some good stuff. A few thoughts: while I like the brushed metal look, I thought it worked well keeping it to media apps, iTunes, QuickTime player, now they've stuck it into other areas as well (though I guess even before it was a little inconsistent as iMovie doesn't have that look) but whatever. iChat, cool idea, I hate AOL's AIM client. I kind of feel bad for Adam Iser and anyone like him though. Adium is a great app. I suppose it will still be an option though, and who knows, we'll see how it compares when iChat comes out. Question though, until now (and still not yet really) AOL and mac.com have had no affiliation. Therefore, I can register the same name for iTools and for AIM. Apparently, your iTools name will work as an AIM SN. what happens if there are duplicate names? (ie someone is Bob42 on AIM, and someone else has registered Bob42 at Mac.com? I'm sure they've dealt with this, I just wonder how.
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post #35 of 339
Nice thing about brushed metal windows is that you can click and drag them from almost anywhere. That's a great feature and it should be used on any window with lots of unused space (as it appears to be).

IMO the brushed metal look rocks. It's dead cool and it adds functionality to the window. How else is Apple supposed to indicate that vast swaths of window space are dragable? Aqua windows aren't gonna cut it.
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There is already an ichat program and website. Does Apple know about this?

<a href="http://www.ichat.com" target="_blank">www.ichat.com</a>
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[quote]Originally posted by hmurchison:
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Droolable! Ummm I think this is worthy of a upgrade price. </strong><hr></blockquote>

shhhh, dont say that. act stingy so the apple spies on this board can suggest a low or nonexistant upgrade fee!
try saying:
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ooooooooooooh iChat.....
there could be worse things than brushed metal. it's the "in" thing in kitchen appliances, so maybe the programmers used to work at the fridgidaire factory.
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post #38 of 339
iChat seems pretty cool..
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Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
"Nice thing about brushed metal windows is that you can click and drag them from almost anywhere. That's a great feature and it should be used on any window with lots of unused space (as it appears to be).
IMO the brushed metal look rocks. It's dead cool and it adds functionality to the window. How else is Apple supposed to indicate that vast swaths of window space are dragable? Aqua windows aren't gonna cut it.
"

Good point. Since one would move the iChat and Sherlock windows a lot, being able to drag them around from any part of the window is handier, if not more convenient, than going up to the title bar.


All in all, Mac OS 10.2 looks awesome! :cool:

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I dig the brushed metal look. The amount of controversy it is causing suprises me.
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