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post #241 of 339
[quote]Originally posted by MajorMatt:
<strong>So Apple, even in 10.2, only lets us have graphite and blue color themes too?</strong><hr></blockquote>

So far, yes.

But we DO get a new, really nice, Cosmos (planets, space, etc) screensaver and Flurry is also included (one of the best screen savers around).

Btw, ScreenSavers has been renamed "Screen Effects" <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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post #242 of 339
Perhaps they have more in mind with Screen Effects? Certainly, the screen avers don't really "save" your screen anymore. Even LCD "burn-in" is cured by leaving it off for 24 hours.

This talk of themes brings up another point I thought of. AFAIK, the Aqua HI guidelines have not been updated in anyway with the announcement of Jaguar. Considering that they're standardizing the brushed metal appearance by including it in Interface Builder, shouldn't they be writing new guidelines for its use to developers? I think it's important to keep tight control over this stuff, plus it might help us determine once and for all what the common denominator is for the metal apps.
post #243 of 339
hi,

have you seen in that screenshot :
<a href="http://homepage.mac.com/alphajd/accounts3.jpg" target="_blank">http://homepage.mac.com/alphajd/accounts3.jpg</a>

the simplified finder,
has anyone activated that function and could tell us more.

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post #244 of 339
ZO, it is so kickass to hear about the performance increase on your iBook! And this was all without Quartz Extreme, I assume, since OS X probably checks the video card, and "apparently" the Rage 128 can't do it (though from what I see their appears to some controversy over whether it may technically be possible.)

The Midi Prefs sound interesting.
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post #245 of 339
[quote]Originally posted by philrobin:
<strong>the simplified finder,
has anyone activated that function and could tell us more.</strong><hr></blockquote>I can't get it to work properly. When I log in as a user wih the simple finder, I get a narrow and tall (maybe 32 x 300 px.) empty window and nothing else. You can close the window with cmd-w, but can't really do anything Finder-related except for switching back to the "normal" Finder.
post #246 of 339
[quote]Originally posted by Chibi15:
<strong>In the preview of springloaded folder (the mov)
i saw a VERY beautiful background picture - a variant of "Aqua Blue" that appears to have a brushed metal effect.

Would you send me that picture mayhaps, Starfleet?

Or anybody else? Thanks!!</strong><hr></blockquote>That's not anything special or new. What you are seeing is the standard "Aqua Blue.jpg" desktop, but the video compression is tossing in a bunch of horizontal artifacts, making it look a little different.
post #247 of 339
hi,

regarding that feature (services in the finder):

<a href="http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/jaguarfindersystemimages/findermenu.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/jaguarfindersystemimages/findermenu.jpg</a>

has anyone tried to select a file and to email it using the finder/services/mail service?

P.
post #248 of 339
[quote]Originally posted by ZO:
<strong>Annoying thing that remains: When you change the name of a file (on desktop for example) the cursor STILL dissappears
until you stop. I hate this.</strong><hr></blockquote>

This is how it should be. Whenever you press a key that's not a modifier, the cursor should disappear until the mouse is moved. It's a good feature.

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post #249 of 339
[quote]Originally posted by Amorya:
<strong>

This is how it should be. Whenever you press a key that's not a modifier, the cursor should disappear until the mouse is moved. It's a good feature.

Amorya</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't mean the mouse cursor... I mean the 'text blinky thing'. Like when you type, there is the blinking cursor to indicate where you are in the document. Good lord, what the hell is that thing called! Anyway, lets say you are typing RIGHT now a reply, you see the blinking cursor. If then I use the position keys (up, down, left right) to move within the document, I see the position of the cursor. Its been this way in every text editor I have ever used and in OS 9, etc. OS X has this annoying thing where when you move around with the text cursor, its invisible until you stop moving. That means I dont know if I am in the correct position in a sentence/word until I actually stop moving around... does this make any sense? <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
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post #250 of 339
has anyone figured out what the "Show Info" in the "Show View Options" menu does? Aside from spacing out the icons much more on the desktop, I dont see anything new. I even tried writing really long file names on some documents/folders and left the option on, but still cuts off at 2 lines. Must be a feature that doesnt work yet.



The Audio Midi Setup doesnt have any other prefs than the screenshot. You can notice the icon for it in the doc.

Btw, also notice that if you keep the dock on the right hand side, it doesnt push the icons away from it anymore!



Ummmm... btw, Jag is starting to go a bit loopy on me. I have files with one name opening as others. I had a, b, c, and d files... i opened a and instead it opened d, i opened b and instead a opened, etc.

Does anyone know if Jag has an 'expiry' date to it???
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post #251 of 339
BTW: Regarding more languages support, there are some good signs.

While installing there were many more keyboard layouts that I have been asking for for a long time: cyrillic, hebrew, and arabic.

I hope this means that by the time Jaguar comes out in September we will also see Hebrew, Arabic and Eastern European/Russian language support.
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post #252 of 339
[quote]Originally posted by ZO:
<strong>

I don't mean the mouse cursor... I mean the 'text blinky thing'. Like when you type, there is the blinking cursor to indicate where you are in the document. Good lord, what the hell is that thing called! </strong><hr></blockquote>

The word you're searching for is 'caret' -- but certainly the word 'cursor' is often used to refer to the caret, so talking about this stuff is bound to get confusing at times. I suppose the confusion originates in pre-GUI days, when the text insertion point was called the cursor, and there was no mouse pointer to complicate the terminology.

[quote]<strong>
Anyway, lets say you are typing RIGHT now a reply, you see the blinking cursor. If then I use the position keys (up, down, left right) to move within the document, I see the position of the cursor. Its been this way in every text editor I have ever used and in OS 9, etc. OS X has this annoying thing where when you move around with the text cursor, its invisible until you stop moving. That means I dont know if I am in the correct position in a sentence/word until I actually stop moving around... does this make any sense? <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

I know what you're getting at, and you have a good point. It's a problem with the control of the blinking of the caret. What should happen is that when you move the caret, the timing of its blinking should be restarted -- with the caret drawn. They've got the part about restarting the caret blink timing right, but they start the blinking in the wrong phase, so you have to wait for half of the blink cycle each time the caret moves to see the caret drawn again.

This invisibly moving caret problem should be easy enough to fix if it manages to come to the attention of someone who cares -- but getting someone to care when they have hundreds of other bugs to fix is the tough part.

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post #253 of 339
THANK YOU Shetline... now I finally can explain the damn problem.

Off I go to Apple Feedback to bitch n gripe.

BTW, has NO ONE else noticed this?? It drives me completely nuts.
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post #254 of 339
[quote]OS X has this annoying thing where when you move around with the text cursor, its invisible until you stop moving<hr></blockquote>

I filed a bug for this a long time ago, and it was flagged as a duplicate even back then. So Apple has known about this for a while (...and the jumping window bug mentioned in <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000739" target="_blank">another thread</a>, which I filed a long time ago as well.)

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post #255 of 339
I just filed a bug that exists in 10.1.4. When file-sharing, OS X doesn't know what to do with folders on other computers where there are files named either "." or ".."

File transfers just knonk out at that point. The problem's not major, but it would be nice if a dialog box popped up asking you to change the filename or whatever.
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post #256 of 339
Would it be a good idea to create a thread that catalogs the bugs we find in Jaguar? The risk is that it will turn into some kind of flame war between the over-sensitive "It's only a beta!" crowd and the "OS X sucks!" groupies.
post #257 of 339
[quote]Originally posted by ZO:
<strong>
But we DO get a new, really nice, Cosmos (planets, space, etc) screensaver and Flurry is also included (one of the best screen savers around).

Btw, ScreenSavers has been renamed "Screen Effects" :confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Could you get a screenshot or movie of "Flurry" please?
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post #258 of 339
[quote]Originally posted by graphiteman:
<strong>

Could you get a screenshot or movie of "Flurry" please?</strong><hr></blockquote>

If you run OS X, go to VersionTracker and look for Flurry. You can get it and its freeware. It makes some beautiful openGL based patters and 'flames' of sorts... its really great.

VT Page: <a href="http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=11393&db=mac" target="_blank">http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=11393&db=mac</a>
Dev page: <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/calumr/" target="_blank">http://homepage.mac.com/calumr/</a>

Screenshot:
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post #259 of 339
Does 10.2 remember views. One of the most frustrating aspects of X so far is that it doesn't remember each folders views.
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post #260 of 339
Not really a new feature, but disc burning works in Jag. It's a little flaky through disc copy, but it works. Also, when the burner is preparing it say "Charging phasers." I don't know if that will make into final, but it made me laugh when I saw it.

PHP is version 4.1.2 (same as 10.1.4, I believe). For some reason, the httpd.conf file was missing the addtype lines, but a copy of my 10.1.4 httpd.conf fixed the problem.

Netinfo manager is different. I'm not sure what's changed in it, but the menus have been moved around, so I suspect more functionality's been added, though I'm not sure where.

Airport BS software is version 4.0.4a. For obvious reasons, I haven't updated my BS to see what's different.

The search feature thorough the finder is absolutely wonderful. It splits the window and shows a path to the file in a nice, space-economical manner.

I'll post some other stuff that hasn't been covered elsewhere later.
post #261 of 339
[quote]Originally posted by ZO:
<strong>

I don't mean the mouse cursor... I mean the 'text blinky thing'. Like when you type, there is the blinking cursor to indicate where you are in the document. Good lord, what the hell is that thing called! Anyway, lets say you are typing RIGHT now a reply, you see the blinking cursor. If then I use the position keys (up, down, left right) to move within the document, I see the position of the cursor. Its been this way in every text editor I have ever used and in OS 9, etc. OS X has this annoying thing where when you move around with the text cursor, its invisible until you stop moving. That means I dont know if I am in the correct position in a sentence/word until I actually stop moving around... does this make any sense? <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh, I get it. You're right, that's stupid.

BTW, I think it's called an intersection point.


Amorya
post #262 of 339
[quote]Originally posted by Amorya:
<strong>

BTW, I think it's called an intersection point.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Insertion point or Caret.
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post #264 of 339
[quote]Originally posted by ZO:
<strong>BTW: Regarding more languages support, there are some good signs.

While installing there were many more keyboard layouts that I have been asking for for a long time: cyrillic, hebrew, and arabic.

I hope this means that by the time Jaguar comes out in September we will also see Hebrew, Arabic and Eastern European/Russian language support.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It'll be nice to be able to work with Hebrew without having to launch classic or do convoluted workarounds.

Hopefully 9 will be dead for me soon
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post #265 of 339
  • Four Things:
  • Am I the only one that thinks that "Finder Preferences" and "View Options" should be in the "System Preferences" application? I mean why have it separate from the others? :confused: It would be more efficient to combine them.
  • Apple has had the basically the same speech recognition software/technology for the past several years. Let's improve on this.
  • <a href="http://www.thinksecret.com/features/jaguarfindersystem/" target="_blank">Think Secret's Jaguar Screenshots (May 13th)</a> Quick! Before Apple gets to them first.
  • Jaguar makes OS X a much more mature OS for critics, users, and converts alike. Enjoy.

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post #266 of 339
Sorry for the away time -- been doing "real" work in 10.1.

Anyway, here are a few things about 10.2 that I forgot to mention:
  • The caret/insertion point/whatever DOES show properly in the Finder now. You may now rest easier at night. ZO: Are you sure about what you posted? Take a look at this new movie if you don't believe me:

    <a href="http://brad.project-think.com/movies/Jag-finder-renaming.mov" target="_blank">http://brad.project-think.com/movies/Jag-finder-renaming.mov</a>
  • cmd-` now cycles windows in the Finder! Woo-hoo! (I don't know if it's different with international keyboards that have a different layout -- I understand this has been a hot topic WRT that issue.) The "go to folder" has been remapped to command-shift-g.
  • The Finder toolbar is *starting* to behave move like a normal toolbar. You can now control-click it to show the usual context menu.
  • I'm not sure if someone else mentioned this, but services are now working in the Finder. You can successfully select a file and, for example, use "Mail Document."
  • Apple System Profiler has undergone a MAJOR facelift! I'll post screenshots if anyone is interested.
  • Help Viewer has also undergone a MAJOR upgrade. it has a "real" toolbar now.
  • Disk Utility now has a "Repair Disk Permissions" which would seem to help novices who fool around with the Terminal or something and screw up their system's permissions.
  • Carbon dialog navigation is still sorely broken. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
[quote]Hey Starfleet... do Apps like Mozilla get Quartz Antialiased text?<hr></blockquote>No, Mozilla does not magically convert its WASTE to ATSUI. Same goes for Microsoft Office. ZO: Entourage has always been "mostly" switched over to ATSUI. Are you sure you haven't just changed your font prefs somewhere?

Oh, and did I mention that Quartz Extreme is buggy as hell?
Have patience... it will mature to be great...

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post #267 of 339
[quote]Originally posted by ZO:
<strong>The Audio Midi Setup doesnt have any other prefs than the screenshot. You can notice the icon for it in the doc.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So the "MIDI Devices" tab is just blank?

-s*
post #268 of 339
[quote]Originally posted by spheric*:
<strong>So the "MIDI Devices" tab is just blank?</strong><hr></blockquote>Does this answer your question?



Of course, I suppose it doesn't help that I have no MIDI card.
post #269 of 339
[quote]Originally posted by starfleetX:
[QB][list][*]The caret/insertion point/whatever DOES show properly in the Finder now. You may now rest easier at night. ZO: Are you sure about what you posted? Take a look at this new movie if you don't believe me:
<hr></blockquote>

The dissappearing caret has happened with me on my iBook also in 10.1 and continues to do so in Jag.


[quote]Same goes for Microsoft Office. ZO: Entourage has always been "mostly" switched over to ATSUI. Are you sure you haven't just changed your font prefs somewhere?
<hr></blockquote>

Didnt touch anything. Just strated up Entourage and the window where there email messages are dispalyed is all antialiased. I'll take a screen shot later.

[quote]


Oh, and did I mention that Quartz Extreme is buggy as hell?
Have patience... it will mature to be great...
<hr></blockquote>

Buggy is an understatement. I played Quake 3 and it blocked the whole OS. Then again that happned to me before in 10.1
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post #270 of 339
So, has anyone played with Rendezvous? In my opinion it's one of the most exciting features. Is it present in the preview? If so, screenshots please!

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post #271 of 339
[quote]The dissappearing caret has happened with me on my iBook also in 10.1 and continues to do so in Jag.<hr></blockquote>Strange. The disappearing cursor has annoyed me since the Public Beta and every single build since up until this 10.2 build. I wonder if the QE has anything to do with the fact that mine is fixed and yours isn't. Hmmm. [quote]Didnt touch anything. Just strated up Entourage and the window where there email messages are dispalyed is all antialiased. I'll take a screen shot later.<hr></blockquote>Sure thing -- actually, I've already taken a snapshot to clarify exactly where I see the different styles of text.

<a href="http://brad.project-think.com/images/Jag-waste-atsui.png" target="_blank"></a>
Click for teh biggar!

Note where Entourage uses WASTE and then compare to the snapshot of the same text copied into TextEdit below.
post #272 of 339
StarfleetX...thanks for all of the screenies and info.

Do SpringLoaded Folders have 'click and a half' functionality??
post #273 of 339
ZO thanks for the yummy screen shots.

BuonRotto, I think your idea is a good one. I for one promise to stop ragging on X!
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post #274 of 339
Do windows remember their settings? I hate the way the finder always defaults to the same small size.
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post #275 of 339
[quote]Originally posted by starfleetX:
<strong>Does this answer your question?
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Er, yeah, thanks!



-spheric*
post #276 of 339
Perhaps this doesn't belong here as it might be a matter of taste... however, I've always found Windows's (I use NT at work) ALT-Tabbing far superior to OSX's Apple-Tabbing.

I usually use it to switch back and forth betweeen two apps I'm working on (BBEdit/Transmit , BBEdit/IE , etc.). In NT, the tab order is last used window, so you can keep going back and forth between two windows. In OSX, it's the order they're running in the dock...so if I have ten things running, I have to alt-tab 9 times to switch between two windows (or alt-tab-shift...but that's just abominable).

Has this changed at all in Jaguar? (and does anyone else get pissed at OSX's implementation?)

rr.
post #277 of 339
Starfleet - not to be a knowledge leech but would you mind posting screenies of the new Apple System Profiler? And any experiences/screenshots involving Rendevous? Thanks for all the info, bud.
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post #278 of 339
[quote]Originally posted by ricRocket:
<strong>Perhaps this doesn't belong here as it might be a matter of taste... however, I've always found Windows's (I use NT at work) ALT-Tabbing far superior to OSX's Apple-Tabbing.

I usually use it to switch back and forth betweeen two apps I'm working on (BBEdit/Transmit , BBEdit/IE , etc.). In NT, the tab order is last used window, so you can keep going back and forth between two windows. In OSX, it's the order they're running in the dock...so if I have ten things running, I have to alt-tab 9 times to switch between two windows (or alt-tab-shift...but that's just abominable).

Has this changed at all in Jaguar? (and does anyone else get pissed at OSX's implementation?)

rr.</strong><hr></blockquote>

In OS X, many apps use Command-` (the key above tab) to switch between windows within itself.
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post #279 of 339
[quote]Originally posted by ZO:
<strong>Btw, ScreenSavers has been renamed "Screen Effects" :confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>

This could imply more than just screen savers, perhaps the ability to use a screensaver as wallpaper, like the SGI "cpu killer" background.
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post #280 of 339
Do you think that Jaguar will include USB Printer Share? I really like this feature, and wish OS X already had it? Any thoughts as to when we will see it?
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