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Less than two weeks after cutting his rating on Apple shares to Neutral, American Technology Research analyst Shaw Wu on Monday said he's taking a step-back, reinstating his Buy rating, and revisiting his long-term thesis for the multi-faceted electronics maker.

"We overestimated the potential negative reaction on the quarter and in hindsight should have moderated our near-term posture rather than downgrading," the analyst conceded in a note to clients. "While Apple shares will likely remain volatile and may offer a better entry point, we need to align our rating with our longer term view on fundamentals."

Although Wu maintains that "a potential product vacuum and draw-down in inventory" are likely during the current quarter, he now believes investors are routinely aware of those circumstances and have since looked past them in anticipation of new product launches during the second half of the calendar year.

Among those product launches, the analyst said, is 3G iPhone transition in the June/July timeframe, and a complete overhaul of the company's mainstream notebook offerings during the September quarter.

Echoing details from a report originally published by AppleInsider last month, Wu cited his own sources in saying that both the MacBook and MacBook Pro would see a major redesign with styling to match new iMac and MacBook Air.

"While MacBook and MacBook Pro have done well, there has not been a form factor refresh since 2001-2002," he wrote.

As a result, Wu upgraded shares of Apple to Buy from Neutral and instated a new 6-12 month price target of $210 per share (up from $175).

"Considering our bullishness on the macro trends [...] and assuming great management execution continues, Apple has earnings power significantly beyond consensus estimates," he added. "We think calendar year 2009 earnings is more likely closer to $7.50-8.00 than the $6.59 consensus estimate."
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More tap dancing and double-talk from Wu.

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Wu says "Buy". That means "sell", right?
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Wu says "Buy". That means "sell", right?

Yes, or so a Senior Apple Vice President thinks:
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/...ap4960808.html

Have we seen the peak of Apple stock price?

I assume it will find its proper value in the coming months.
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Could this guy be any more clueless?

He has showed the world that his strategy is literally buy high, sell low.
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Yes, or so a Senior Apple Vice President thinks:
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/...ap4960808.html

Have we seen the peak of Apple stock price?

I assume it will find its proper value in the coming months.

Well, that was a pre-arranged trade on the part of Schiller...

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Wu says "Buy". That means "sell", right?

Naw. It just means his broker clients were pissed because his recommendation was lowering their ability to churn. So he has to change to open that aspect back up again.
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Have we seen the peak of Apple stock price?

I assume it will find its proper value in the coming months.

That would be a very naive assumption. Apple is only finding their footing with the iPhone in the international markets and there's a lot of room for growth at this early, early stage.

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Could this guy be any more clueless?

He has showed the world that his strategy is literally buy high, sell low.

Exactly.
Appl has gone up, what, 20-25 dollars since he said not to buy?
And even in reinstating his "buy" he also says well, it is probably going to drop in the near term. This is an odd mess of mixed messages he is sending out.

On the bright side, one of his lines of thought is bound to be right...
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Shaw Wu Downgrade Reminiscent of Stock Manipulation
Tuesday, April 22, 2008
http://bullcross.blogspot.com/2008/0...-of-stock.html

Shares of Apple, Inc. (Nasdaq: AAPL) tumbled more than 5.00% or $9.00 this morning on the NASDAQ stock exchange when AmTech analyst Shaw Wu cut his rating on shares of Apple from Buy to Neutral. As the guiding reasoning for the downgrade, Shaw Wu claims "We are concerned that expectations may be too high with the stock rebounding over 45 percent in recent weeks," the analyst told clients. "While we believe Apple will report a strong quarter relative to guidance and published consensus estimates, we are concerned whether it will be good enough and whether investors will be as forgiving with conservative guidance."

Really? Well, Mr. Wu, why don't you give the investor a chance to make their own decisions instead of making their decisions for them one day before earnings? By downgrading Apple one day before earnings, Shaw Wu has all but triggered a pre-earnings sell-off, thus making it difficult for Apple to make any meaningful move to the upside when it reports tomorrow afternoon. Shaw Wu knows all too well what happens when an analyst downgrades Apple. He knew or should have known that Apple would fall precipitously on the downgrade. What is more, he knew or should have known that Apple would fall more than usual when downgraded just one day before earnings. He know or should have known that stocks tends to be at the precipice of a huge move in and around earnings. Thus, I wonder, what is Shaw Wu's real motivation with his downgrade this morning? Is it because his $175 price target was, like other analysts targets, about to be obliterated as too low? Or perhaps he wanted to allow certain key investors one last opportunity to get into the stock before it makes a huge move in the future. Whatever the reason, his motivation should at least be called into question.

Shaw Wu's actions are clearly suggestive of stock manipulation. And this isn't the first time Mr. Wu of AmTech has conducted himself in the practice of mindlessly bashing the stock for no legally viable reason. In June-July of 2006, Shaw Wu's actions were so abhorrent, that he has lost a lot of credibility in my eyes. His financial analysis is good at times, but for the most part, he is a worthless analyst with nothing meaningful to contribute from a financial perspective. In April of 2006, Apple reached a high of $73.80 after it reported solid second quarter earnings. Yet, shortly after the earnings report, everything fell apart and quickly. Apple fell from $73.80 in April to $50.00 in July. Part of this had to do with Fed Chief Ben Bernanke telling Maria Bartaromo of CNBC that he didn't want investors to think we was done raising interest rates and part of the sell off had to do with the market predicting a recession that never happened. Yet, notwithstanding the market sentiments during the period, much of the sell-off was due to an orchestrated bashing led by none other than Shaw Wu of AmTech.

Shaw Wu started a baseless rumor that Apple was expected to release a new iPod Nano in August. He claimed that the street consensus was for an iPod relase in August when no one on the street was expecting such a release. What I don't quite understand is how one can get away with claiming that "the street" has a consensus estimate for when a product will be released, when no on "the street" shares that view? Both conventional wisdom and sensible analysis indicated that Apple would release the new 2G iPod Nano in September when Apple usually releases such refreshes. Yet, Shaw Wu built up a straw man that Apple was expected to release the Nano in August and then knocked down that straw man by saying that Apple has delayed its release. Every time Shaw Wu released an "updated note" on the Nano delay controversy, the stock price fell significantly. I know. I was there.

On June 15, 2006, Shaw Wu said in a research note to clients, "We are seeing weaker iPod nano shipments offset by strength in video iPods and iPod shuffles. We continue to believe the iPod nano is in need of a refresh and will likely see one in the September quarter." Notice how Shaw Wu holds the general view that the iPod Nano will be released in the September quarter. He is clever in saying the words "September quarter" instead of saying the month of September. Just two weeks later, when the market started selling off, Shaw Wu writes another note where he argues that the iPod Nano has been delayed for a quarter or two. This is where the rumor mongering begins. He also cut his price on shares of Apple from $101 to $75 that day. When Apple was down, Shaw Wu kicked Apple in the face.

On July 10, 2006, Shaw Wu all of sudden, and for no good reason, claims that the street's consensus view for a new iPod Nano was for the July-August time frame when no one on the street shared that view. Appleinsider notes, "In a research note released to clients on Monday morning, American Technology Research analyst Shaw Wu maintained his stance that the new iPod nano -- which he has dubbed the "mini video iPod" -- will miss the Street's consensus view of a July or August introduction." Give me a break! Shaw Wu writes two separate research notes on a largely unconfirmed and insignificant iPod Nano delay within a 2-week period. For those who were invested in Apple in 2006, they will agree that the "iPod Nano delay controversy" was very reminiscent of the missing iPhone debate that was spurred by Bernstein Research analyst Toni Sacconaghi this past January. Shaw Wu went from bullish on June 14 to bearish on June 28. He cut his price target by 25% and made up a rumor about an iPod Nano delay. I wonder why? What motivated Shaw Wu's actions at that time? And then, when Apple reports blow out earnings on July 19, 2006, Shaw Wu's sentiments change completely?

Either Shaw Wu is terrible at financial analysis or he knows what he is doing and actively attempts to manipulate the stock price. He was either dead wrong about the Nano delays as Apple released the 2G iPod Nano on September 12, 2006 or he actively manipulates. Shaw Wu was either dead wrong about his price cut of Apple's shares from $101 to $75 or he actively attempts to manipulate. I have just a few questions Mr. Wu: Why did you make up a rumor that Apple was set to release a Nano in August 2006 and then make up another rumor that the iPod would be delayed? Why did you go from bullish to bearish in two weeks? What changed? How does it feel to be dead wrong? Why did you downgrade Apple with one day to go until earnings? Is it because you have no clue as to what you are talking about or is because someone has paid you to downgrade Apple today? Either way, investors should ignore anything you have to say.
Finally, you say that you think Apple is trading at 28 times 2009 earnings? Believing that Apple is trading at 28 times 2009's earnings when it trades at $168 presupposes that 2009 earnings will be $6.00 a share. That's interesting. So you think Apple will show almost no growth between 2008 and 2009? Let me let you in on a little secret. Apple is going to earn $5.80 in 2008. Thus, your 28 times 2009 estimates of $6.00 in EPS assumes that Apple will see only 3.5% growth in 2009 - a year when Apple will start to see an impact to EPS from deferred iPhone revenue. The computer industry is growing at 11% a year alone. I guess you think that Apple will grow at 1/4 of the current market rate.

Given Shaw Wu's quesitonable history, Shaw Wu is either terrible at financial analysis and forecasting or an active manipulator. Either way, investors should take what he has to saw with a huge grain of salt.

Disclosure: I own long term 2009 and 2010 call options in Apple. The information contained in this blog is not to be taken as either an investment or trading recommendation, and serious traders or investors should consult with their own professional financial advisers before acting on any thoughts expressed in this publication.
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Originally Posted by DigitalChan View Post

Yes, or so a Senior Apple Vice President thinks:
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/...ap4960808.html

Schiller had to set that up wayin advance. Was it all of his holdings? Doubt it.

He just wanted a new house perhaps, and that 23mil paycheck helped, I'm sure.
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As a result, Wu upgraded shares of Apple to Buy from Neutral and instated a new 6-12 month price target of $210 per share (up from $175).


Apple will be at $210 by the end of July if not sooner!

Bet on it
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Originally Posted by BuzDots View Post

Apple will be at $210 by the end of July if not sooner!

Bet on it

And higher by the end of the summer, then a 2- 1 split will take place

Here's hoping

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Yet more evidence as to why no one in existence - past, present and future - should ever listen to Shaw Wu. How many times do I have to say it before you infidels see it?

Kasper, being the Apple news specialist that he is, *should* see right through this guy, so I strongly suspect AI is receiving some sort of monetary kick-back from reporting this guy's swill.

Kasper, do us all a favor and put Shaw Wu on your ignore list.

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If that Wu character is trying to manipulate the stock then he should be busted. But its my impression that this guy isn't too bright. Question is why are people paying this analyst?
Really, this is ridiculous. LOL! Reminds me from that scene from the new movie IronMan. Anyone see it yet? They had a scene with that nutcase from mad money Jim Cramer. He was yelling like an idiot that Stark Industries stock was gonna tank. That reminds me when he said the same thing recently about Apple Stock.
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Apple will be at $210 by the end of July if not sooner!

Bet on it

I hope so. But I think it'll depend on what is offered at next month's WWDC.
A 3G iPhone priced right, new iChat, GPS, user replaceable battery would go a long way at reaching this stock price.
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Anyone else confused by this headline? I get it, but on first glance my brain sees 180 as a stock price number since that's close to what it's trading at right now.
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Originally Posted by DigitalChan View Post

Yes, or so a Senior Apple Vice President thinks:
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/...ap4960808.html

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/it?s=aapl
post #19 of 34
This does not look good.

Shaw Wu has been around a while, so we can't give him the benefit of the doubt about not knowing how Apple stock works. Also, we all know that he is among a handful of analysts who have the power to move Apple's share price meaningfully.

It just doesn't make sense that such a seasoned Apple analyst could sway so dramatically about Apple's business prospects.

It would be interesting to know what communications he had just prior to his downgrade a few weeks ago and before his upgrade today. Did he speak to brokers, clients? If an influential analyst gives you heads-ups before he releases pronouncements, you could make a lot of money on buying low and selling high and making puts and calls.

I'm sure Bush's SEC won't investigate this, but the integrity of the market requires the regulators keeping it fair.
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Schiller had to set that up wayin advance. Was it all of his holdings? Doubt it.

He just wanted a new house perhaps, and that 23mil paycheck helped, I'm sure.

Naturally..

But I'd also assume that he would sell if he thought the stock was going to go up significantly more than it already has. The bubble is bound to pop. Wu was right the first time... it's gotten so much growth it is bound to go down to stabilize... in the short term there will be better entry points in the next year or so.

The idea is to sell stock at the peak of a mountain not the base.
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As a result, Wu upgraded shares of Apple to Buy from Neutral and instated a new 6-12 month price target of $210 per share (up from $175).

"Considering our bullishness on the macro trends [...] and assuming great management execution continues, Apple has earnings power significantly beyond consensus estimates," he added. "We think calendar year 2009 earnings is more likely closer to $7.50-8.00 than the $6.59 consensus estimate."


Blowing expectations beyond any reasonable limit, keeping silent on any negative factors such as illegal stock option backdating or unreasonable pricing policies, will create a new bubble of unrealistic expectations among casual investors.

Adressing Apple issues and judging the stock on the same basis as other tech stock would lead to a much more realistic evaluation.

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I sold a large chunk of stock at $199.98 last year and have an order to sell at 199.98 now. But that just covers margin costs and such. Still keeping about 90 percent waiting for long term gains to ripen in Oct. or Dec, then maybe cash in . Maybe wait till it hits 600 before I sell it all . Bought most of it at $25.51, but have bought and sold all of it more than once in the last 4 years . Was all cash February 2007. Probably be all cash next February waitin for the big dip on the 28th like each year when it happens , then buy back in .
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Less than two weeks after cutting his rating on Apple shares to Neutral, American Technology Research analyst Shaw Wu on Monday said he's taking a step-back, reinstating his Buy rating, and revisiting his long-term thesis for the multi-faceted electronics maker.

"We overestimated the potential negative reaction on the quarter and in hindsight should have moderated our near-term posture rather than downgrading," the analyst conceded in a note to clients. "While Apple shares will likely remain volatile and may offer a better entry point, we need to align our rating with our longer term view on fundamentals."

It must be nice to have a job where your presumptions and analytical advice doesn't come to fruition and yet you still get paid!

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post #24 of 34
Wu just moved from macroeconomic pessimism to macro optimism. My fear is that he is overly optimistic... but I am really at a loss at this point in time: I know that Apple has great products, faithful fans, and solid history. I know that the 3G iPhone will be a big hit. I know that Mac sales will continue to grow for another few quarters at a minimum. I'm not terribly concerned about iPod sales slipping significantly.

What I don't know is how Apple will sell as sufficiently meaningful number of iPhones, at a meaningful profit, to offset a decline in iPhone sales. Since the iPod sales aren't deferred (like the iPhone), they need at least 2-4x more revenue from iPhone sales to have the same profit in a given quarter.

I'm also starting to become skiddish about the general economy again-- like I was as things approached the bottom in March. Anybody outside the US have a balanced perspective about how things are in Europe or Asia right now-- signs of pressure on consumer spending to come?

It is just hard for me to imagine Apple passing the 210 mark now...
post #25 of 34
Yeah no kidding..

With gas a >$4 a gallon I am sure people will run right out and buy electronics they don't need.
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This does not look good.

Shaw Wu has been around a while, so we can't give him the benefit of the doubt about not knowing how Apple stock works. Also, we all know that he is among a handful of analysts who have the power to move Apple's share price meaningfully.

It just doesn't make sense that such a seasoned Apple analyst could sway so dramatically about Apple's business prospects.

It would be interesting to know what communications he had just prior to his downgrade a few weeks ago and before his upgrade today. Did he speak to brokers, clients? If an influential analyst gives you heads-ups before he releases pronouncements, you could make a lot of money on buying low and selling high and making puts and calls.

I'm sure Bush's SEC won't investigate this, but the integrity of the market requires the regulators keeping it fair.

I disagree with your analysis. His cut was actually pretty logical.

In January, they announced a great quarter, were incredibly bullish in all areas of the business but the specific underlying numbers of the going forward outlook were conservative, which is typical of Apple. The stock fell off a cliff, before bottoming out around $119.

In this last earnings call, they announced a great quarter, were incredibly bullish in all areas of the business but the specific underlying numbers of the going forward outlook were conservative, which AGAIN is typical of Apple. The stock fell off nominally after hours but this time, the market decided that Apple is being conservative not pessimistic and the stock ran up.

Same basic presentation, two different outcomes. My personal bias is that at best an analysts can give you macro picture on the business and micro picture on the moving parts that shape the macro picture. They are horrifically bad market timers, as most of us are. ;-)

It may suck that they impact the market as much as they do, and it may force head scratching on how much they get paid, but they are ANALYSTS not fortune tellers or prognosticators.

I may be naive in this regard but I actually appreciated the correction, and assume that he assumed that based on same data, stock would blow up and then he would upgrade. He would have looked like a hero then based on exact same data.

Mark
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Wow, none of you guys should be talking about the stock market. Take an econ class then speculate.
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Originally Posted by roehlstation View Post

Wow, none of you guys should be talking about the stock market. Take an econ class then speculate.

I REALLY hope that's not an endorsement of Wu's actions.
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Originally Posted by roehlstation View Post

Wow, none of you guys should be talking about the stock market. Take an econ class then speculate.

or become an analyst...

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Originally Posted by hypermark View Post

Same basic presentation, two different outcomes. My personal bias is that at best an analysts can give you macro picture on the business and micro picture on the moving parts that shape the macro picture. They are horrifically bad market timers, as most of us are. ;-)

But if you read Wu's excuse in today's statement, it sounds like he was trying to time the market!

I do agree that analysts are horrifically bad market timers, though...
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Wow, none of you guys should be talking about the stock market. Take an econ class then speculate.

Many of us own Apple stock, I trust this site more than any other or ANY analyst for accurate AAPL speculation.
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Many of us own Apple stock, I trust this site more than any other or ANY analyst for accurate AAPL speculation.

You should be trusting the readers of this site more since it was a reader of this site that most accurately predict Apple's earnings results this quarter (by far the best call):

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...threadid=86459
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"We think calendar year 2009 earnings is more likely closer to $7.50-8.00 than the $6.59 consensus estimate."

Wow, Shaw must have read my opinion piece at MacDailyNews, ridiculing his inability to understand Deferred Revenues, and why he was underestimating Apple's earnings. He though Apple's Deferred Revs were "somewhat confusing and is unprecedented", as quoted in Elmer-Dewitt's Fortune blog. How is that possible that an analyst can't understand Deferred Revenues?

Here's the link to what I wrote, right after Apple's earnings:
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/we...17105/opinion/
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Yes, or so a Senior Apple Vice President thinks:
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/...ap4960808.html

Have we seen the peak of Apple stock price?

I assume it will find its proper value in the coming months.

Phil Schiller sold his shares on a pre-arranged trading plan, this means that regardless of whether Apple shares go up or down, he sells some fixed value of stock or fixed number of shares on a time table to diversify his personal wealth.

This has no bearing on the view of Apple going forward. Apple will rise to 201 by mid-September and do a stock split at that level. If everything goes to plan with their launches in the summer and fall, the share will trade in a post-split range of 90-110. Mac share will continue driving the business. The big dark cloud is expanding iPod reach around the globe and beating competitors who come out with lower cost non-video iPods in markets where iTunes doesn't have traction.
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