Originally Posted by minderbinder
Thanks for clarifying that it's an assumption with no numbers to back it up.
Just like yours have been.
That doesn't change the fact that people buying the mini are getting less at a higher price. For the record, you can buy a DVD burner for about $30 (meaning apple would get it cheaper, plus save the cost of the CD burner). You honestly don't think apple can afford to put one of those in a $599 machine?
I don't know Apple's costs any more than you do. I don't particularly care either.
Apple sells a product, If it is selling within their expectations, then it must be a good value. If it is not, then Apple would have to do something about that.
Apple's level of support for their products is consistently higher than other manufacturers is for theirs. That accounts for some of the reason why Apple charges what they do. Support is expensive. Factor that in when you make your comparisons.
Reliability of Apple's desktops is also consistently, and considerably higher than for other manufacturers. There must be a reason why. Figure that in as well.
And sure, add in another 5% for extra profit, above what the cheap manufacturers can charge for their generic products.
And yet, machines without gimmicks outsell macs by a huge margin. Based on the millions of PC sales, there seem to be many more people who want machines without gimmicks (and without the boost in price that seems to come with them).
Please, don't pretend you're clueless, because I know you're not.
The reason for that, as you know, is the OS, and the fact that most people expect PC's because that's what they use in their workplace.
And that has nothing to do with anything other than to show the long hand of IBM, which is the only reason why PC's grew to dominance at all.
But, are you forgetting that Apple's sales are increasing at least three times as fast as the PC industry these days?
Why do you think that is?
Primarily the OS after all. People are getting fed up with Vista, and MS in general. They are more willing to take a chance on that oddball OS, and quirky company.
Again, it's not my idea. PC companies have been selling millions (tens of millions? hundreds?) of those machines for years. And regardless of what you think of their idea, you have to admit that it sells on the PC side.
It's because that's what people expect to buy. That doesn't mean that many people prefer to buy that. People are not adventurous. They just continue doing what they've always done. It takes a good push to move them from their path. Good old Newton's Law.
Vista seems to be that push.
As Apple doesn't break out their desktop sales model for model, we might never know the reality of what models do what. But we do know that their sales have zoomed recently, possibly mostly due to the aluminum iMacs, and according to Apple, better sales of the Mac Pro's. But, it's still just a guess.
You didn't answer my question, do you think it's a good thing that Apple only ships a computer if they can think of a gimmick to put in? And refuses to sell a basic computer that just runs the apps people need?
If you stop using that stupid "gimmick" word, I might stop laughing long enough to take it seriously.
If you instead, used the more mature term of "features", then I could respond better. I don't see any gimmicks in Apple's products.
And yet the buyer isn't limited to what's featured in the ad sheets. If someone wants more than 2 gigs of ram they can get it in a cheap pc (oh no! they have to look beyond the sale flyer!). But not an option on the mini.
Only in some models. I'm sorry, but most of the cheap ones I see do NOT offer 4 Gb as an option. That makes sense, because most people have no idea of what it would mean anyway.
I'm not debating how many people care about this, the point is that you can't put as much HD space in a mini. And you can't. I assume that you've changed your argument from "the mini isn't limited" to "who cares if the mini is limited", you're admitting that it is after all?
You're going around in circles. Of course it matters how many people care. That's what marketing is all about.
And, no I'm not changing anything. The same thing is true. most people who get bigger HDDs, on any platform, but external models.
That's something you are trying desperately to ignore.
We're talking about whether the mini is more limited with ram and internal HD than PCs in the same price range. You seem to be trying to change the subject.
So can we agree that the mini is more limited with ram and internal HD than PCs in the same price range?
No. You're making an argument that doesn't exist. But you don't realize it.