Is She Over?

Amid Talk of the End and Boos From the Crowd, Clinton Carries On


This tactic has served our current President well. She is clearly presidential material.

Hey Hillary, you shouldn't have voted for the war! How's it feel now? She could have stood up and made a principled stand, the one we needed her to, and now she is eating it.



...done.

Ahhh! Good! Now everyone can rally behind Obama!

And what if Obama were to offer her the Vice Presidency? I'm not the only one who's thought of that you know.

He hasn't impressed me with Recent Events. However, Obama would be a fool to offer her the VP spot. Imagine Hillary's People running around behind the scenes screwing up everything that BHO attempts to do. The Administration crashes and in '12, she challenges him for the nomination, "See? you should have chosen me!".

Or, BHO is impeached for some high crime and misdemeanor (engineered by Team Clinton and Loyal Clinton Democrats).

He might as well get into a bath with hungry sharks....

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She is absolutely determined to be the Democratic nominee. I don't think she considers the "kill Obama/run in 2012" thing as her actual agenda, just something she daydreams about.

She thinks she can still do it. She wants power more than anything else in the world. She's a terrible human being.

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I really would love to know the PO CW regarding Michigan and Florida... what do ya'll think?

When Bill was the President and conservative America used to froth at the mouth about Hillary, I never really got it. I thought it was sexist, personal nonsense: Strong Woman Fear and whatnot. Some people love a manufactured controversy.

But I really get it now! What a despicable human being she is.

She was always a centre right moderate in European terms, so I still don't get the attacks on her politics, but as far as her personality goes... she's really unscrupulous, isn't she?

Well, I'm glad the punditocracy finally woke up on this one.

Yeah, she be over.

My God... support among "whites who haven't finished college"?

So blacks who have finished college support Obama. Blacks who haven't finished college support Obama. Whites who have finished college support Obama. But whites who haven't finished college support Clinton! You go, girl! Go grab that trailer trash vote. Establish your "broader coalition" based on the "Eminem's mom" voters.

Is that what we really want for this country? Representation for the "whites who haven't finished college?"

She's done.

They violated the rules so they don't get to play. Simple.

Obama Now Takes The Lead in Superdelegates Too.



Yeeehaaaw!

Gotta agree at this point. If a month+ ago-when this started being seriously debated-they had come up with a scheme to redo the primary, that would have been fine with me.

At this point, however, what's done is done. They f'd up, and they're paying the price.

They both are and basically redefine hypocrisy. You have Bill Clinton, defender of women who used the office intern, told her to shut up, and had a friend offer her a job so she would go away, basically the purest definition of sexual harassment and ended up being screwed by some court transcripts and a blue dress.

You have Hillary, I'm not going to stand by my man and bake cookies like a bad country song, who did exactly that.

With the Clinton's inexperience is experience, feminism is riding the man's coattails, amateurs make thousands on cattle futures and the defenders of the poor only rake in a bit over $100 million while defending them.

A takes a village to be exploited by claiming you will help their children. This is what the Clinton's have done.

I seriously doubt Obama or McCain are much better though. There isn't a person in this election to get excited about anymore.

I'm wondering if Clinton has enough pull to get them seated if necessary... if she's brazen enough to use what amounts to the Nuclear Option.

The press (i.e., Russert, Stephanopolous, etc.) reaction to this primary is so funny. She's been done for several months, but the pundits refused to say so. Now, she splits NC and IN like everyone thought she would, but gets maybe a handful fewer delegates than she hoped, and she's completely done! And so only now does everyone jump on the bandwagon and acknowledge what's been true for several months. I sure do love the media and the pundits!

If Obama plays his cards right, a Clinton meltdown (i.e., trying desperately to stay in when it's obvious she's failed) would do him some political good.


Someone with some Photoshop skill needs to get to work on this:

Most of the reports in the press have started saying she'll get out in June, before the convention. But I really don't see how anything has changed. She's going to have big wins in the next couple of states. She's still going to have bogus arguments about the popular vote total (excluding caucuses, including Michigan and Florida, blah blah). She's still going to have the argument that she gets white votes. She's still going to have the argument that she wins big states. And even if enough regular and super-delegates come out in the next weeks to put Obama over the top, given that superdelegates can change their vote at any time, the arguments that she has been making still apply.

I guess I just don't see how the logic of her campaign over the past several months changes now. If it made sense then, it makes sense now.

With those pictures all she needs is fangs!

it's all about what the "victim" hiliary want's now. see the dnc doensn't want another '68 convention with dispute, rangling, mess. so there will be a deal like--money+power = hilary working with the candidate. so what does hilary want, when obama becomes the nominee, most don't realize he becomes the new ruler and man of influence of the dnc and dem machine, hilary was counting on that to push her into the white house, that is the machine that bill built.
well the superdelegates have said it was bill we were loyal to, not a dynasty, the power is shifting to obama, not good for hilary needing that machine. sooooooo
hilary does a cool job of supporting obama realizing he has a big row to hoe to get to the white house, damage him so mcain wins which probably will be a one term president, then she can run in 2010 (starting early) for the 2012 election.

soooooo money lots of it, to pay off her election dept and to the "clinton library sinkhole" that no one can access donor records, and keep power by allowing her to pick key people in the dnc
that's my take.....she is smiling because she and bill understand this the squeaky wheel gets the grease (money and power) just watch in the next weeks as the dem convention comes closer and closer dnc leadership will get more nervous and you will see the deal being made.

If there was any question before about why Bill went elsewhere for blowjobs, I think we now know why for sure.

"Teeth, Hillary! Watch the teeth!"

Ooh! That reminded me that Cloverfield is out on DVD now.

Successful in what sense?

The only success I can see from "Operation Chaos" is the maintenance of Rush Limbaugh's audience numbers and ego.

- Hillary was never going to drop out before the end of the primaries, regardless of a slight Republican crossover vote in her favor.
- Hillary was always going to campaign the way Clintons campaign; dirty and negative.

"Operation Chaos" started after Republicans started switching over the vote Obama anyway, Rush jumped on an already-moving bandwagon and started literally dressing up like a soldier, with thousands of brain-dead right-wingers fawning over his amazing comedy. I guess it's a good thing for America that the ass sores that kept the drug addict out of Vietnam didn't knock him out of action for this great battle.

While no one can be absolutely sure of how much crossover voting has occurred, it is very clear that Clinton has continued in the race long enough to insure the bloom has come off the rose with regard to Obama. I'm sure you'll just dismiss this as something made up, some right-wing talking point, and of course the adjectives used in your reply will not actually address the substance of this, but will instead simply call the idea stupid in ten different ways, but it is reality.

Four to five months ago every article was about Obama, the messianic figure who can do no wrong and ought to just be coronated president to save us all from our past original sins.

Now the fawning is gone and Obama is just a man. He is in fact a very flawed man who as a candidate will be judged by more than his charisma.

That doesn't mean of course that McCain will win. McCain certainly has the deck stacked against him and has of course helped stack it with several of his own positions. However we are no longer awaiting the coronation and in fact will have a campaign instead. When you go from probable landslide to close to even odds as the Democrats have done it signifies something at work and part of that has been Limbaugh. The real issue is that voting against Obama isn't the same thing as voting for McCain. I suspect there is still more enthusiasm for the former versus the latter so there is still a lot of work cut out for the Republicans this fall.

I would go further, Nick. Obama is very, very deeply flawed. I believe that in the privacy of his own home, he eats raw meat and inhales nitrous oxide from a facemask, drooling and giggling to himself. This will come out in a long election campaign. This is just conjecture, but I believe that on the day of his swearing in he'll turn up in a military uniform with huge epaulettes and sunglasses with a Yasser Arafat tea towel on his head, demand a Qur'an to swear on and immediately make it illegal for white men to have any kind of fun.

America should be deeply concerned about this deeply flawed Communist fundamentalist Islamicist.

Yeah, I would point to:

1) Money
2) Crowds

as signs that Obama is still a wildly popular candidate no matter how much the usual suspects push insanely retarded, unsubstantiated memes like "the shine is coming off."

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Yes, she has. She is a power-monger and is desperate to be president.

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Except all the criticism he got from the beginning, bizarrely enough for not being black enough, being an "empty suit". But yes, she definitely covered him in a nice amount of mud.

Nevertheless, Obama is a potential juggernaut, just as he always has been.

I think you are confused and don't know what I'm arguing. The post you quoted was about the efficacy of "Operation Chaos", not the efficacy of Clinton's campaign against Obama.

The only reason the press turned on Obama is that he became the presumptive nominee.

Before that, they hated on Hillary, when she was the presumptive nominee. Yes, Hillary has driven oppo research, but that was going to happen anyway, certainly at the point she dropped out of the race, so the timing's probably a wash.

By the way, how is it that the clearly, proven, obviously liberal press turns on any Democratic candidate? Aren't they supposed to be fawning at the feet of their terror loving masters while laboring mightily to get the dirt on McCain? Is that loan article in the Times really going to have to be the proof of the entire, biased operation?

I would go even further than that. I believe that in the privacy of his own home he pines for the hot bottom of one Hassan i Sabbah and desires much canoodling and earlobe licking from him.


First the most insanely retarded unsubstantiated meme of all is that money alone can win an election. Secondly, you continually ignore the fact that it appears the campaigns have been successful in fundraising but at the expense of the party. Obama may be loaded but the DNC is broke.

Additionally just because Clinton was able to take in a maximum contribution from a donor doesn't mean that donor will turn around and be able to give Obama the same amount. They appear to be tapped out.

McCain has agreed to take public financing for the fall campaign which means $84 million. You add to that the RNC/DNC difference and things will certainly be competitive.

As for crowds, most of the stories talk about new Democratic registrations but fail to consider that many of them are Republicans who want to have a say in the Democratic nomination process. This will reset for the fall as these voters will come back to the fold.

Finally you keep pointing to your own "insanely retarded" meme which is that just because someone is "wildly popular" that it will somehow deliver votes. Clinton had high name recognition as did Giuliani. Fred Thompson was thought to be very popular as an example. That alone doesn't deliver a vote. Heck even McCain must be popular with a certain group or he wouldn't have the nomination. That still doesn't assure even I will vote for him.

I'm not sure how Hillary's ego has proven operation chaos a success. There have always been party cross-over mischief-makers.

But anyway, I don't believe that this extended primary has hurt Obama. The things that have hurt him in the primary - like the Wright business - would have just come out later, which would be more damaging than it coming out now. And millions of extra Dems have registered to vote in the primary now, compared to Republicans. The majority of them have voted for Obama, and even though some of the new Hillary voters might not vote for Obama, I think most of them will.

I know you think Obama can't win, but all the fundamentals are on his side this year - the Republicans at an almost historic low in party ID, Bush being the most unpopular president in modern history, the economy probably going into recession, the Iraq war extremely unpopular, the natural inclination to switch parties in the white house after 8 years of a Republican. I don't think Obama has it wrapped up, and his blackness is going to be a negative for him, but the odds are with him.

Who cares.

I was talking about whether the "fawning" is still there; not whether money can win an election. If you know anything about Obama's fundraising model, you know he gets tons of cash from small contributions from millions of donors. That model hasn't suffered as it would if the "fawning" had gone away.


Again, who cares.

I was talking about whether the "fawning" is still there; not whether those people will vote in an election. Are his crowd sizes somehow less than before the "fawning" apparently went away?

The point is that you can't point to anything objective to demonstrate how the "fawning is gone" whereas i can point to several factors that show how that meme just isn't true.

The DNC is broke because the two big candidates are fundraising for themselves and taking the spotlight. Once Obama is selected the money will flow in like crazy. Both Clintons will be doing big DNC fundraisers. Money will not be a problem for the Democratic candidate.


Clinton has gotten a shitload of votes; far more than Kerry did in the 2004 primary season. Neither Giuliani nor Thompson were all that popular, even if Giuliani's name recognition was high. There is a huge difference between being recognized and being popular. McCain beat a crew of midgets.

Should note that the Democratic congressional committees have far more money on hand, and are raising more money, than their Republican counterparts.

Under Dean there has been a renewed focus on running local campaigns in all fifty states, which seems to be working pretty well. A lot of Republican "safe" seats are now contested and costing the Republican congressional campaigns money.

Hey, remember when Dean was going to be a complete disaster for the Democrats, because he was such a polarizing crazy man?

Let's see, I think it was........ yep. Same people who thought that are the people that are now so sure of all the other terrible things the Dems are doing to themselves. In fact, come to think of it, those people think everything the Dems do is disastrous and wrong.

Keep in mind, also, that Dean has been pretty constantly at odds with Clinton's boy Rahm Emmanuel over this strategy. Emmanuel wanted to drop states like UT and WY and pretty much all of the South and focus on the same old tired strategy of NY+CA+deargodpleasetheuppermidwest.