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post #41 of 126
hey addabox, or mr i chew on everything mr jobs hands me: they might well have opted to have a shittier chip in the phones for the same reasons they have opted to have 1 out of 3 displays manufactured for the macbook be of inferior quality, or ship loads of mac pros with the bluetooth cables set up wrong (and hope no one notices), or have everyones macbook plastic surface crumble after just over a year -- its cause they have to SAVE MONEY and keep the SHAREHOLDERS HAPPY. "oh the shittier chips would just cost 10 bucks less, what would they save" - with 5 million units sold they save 50million dollars. get a life, fanboy.
post #42 of 126
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Thanks. I wasn't aware they'd shipped their engineers of to ST. However, that said, the N series were all in house efforts. ST did the manufacturing but the 3G chips were designed by Nokia staff.

I know they used the Infineon chips lower down the range though as that's what puzzled me with Apple using them in the iPhone initially. The iPhone is like an iPod Touch with a Nokia S40 level phone slapped in there hardware-wise. There's much duplication of function.

I don't think Apple had time to refine their hardware for the first revision. They would have combined the blocks they could find with the specifications they wanted to enable the software they wanted, which was the key thing. A very sensible strategy. Now that they've pushed that out the door, they can go after better hardware. I think we will see big improvements in Apple hardware going forward, with increasing custom design (thus PA Semi) and much more integration.

I have to say that I found it strange that Nokia ditched their custom development. I would have though that custom chip design was a major competitive advantage and we can see that Apple is heading in that direction. But I think that Nokia makes alot of phone models and they figured they were better off with a marketplace competing to supply them with a variety of designs. Obviously the mobile phone market is big enough for this.

I think Apple might be pursuing a hybrid strategy where they build parts in house that they can't get outside, probably in the area of application processors or possibly graphics hardware and reply on third parties for more specialist parts such as the RF stuff. Manufacturing advantage is being boiled down to a few public foundries (plus Intel of course) and doesn't really represent an advantage for anyone. Apple have prospered by having a tight integration with software, but they realise that it runs both ways: they can adapt their software to the best hardware or they can create custom hardware to enable better software.

I think Apple has the right strategy. They can always get what Nokia is getting, but Apple also have (or will have) top flight engineers to give them an edge on their competitors. I think Nokia have gone the wrong way. Apple is benefiting from their sharp focus on a few product lines.
post #43 of 126
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So if I'm following here, the contention of some posters is that Apple went out of their way to put a shitty, old tech chip in the iPhone for no reason whatsoever, since their claims about battery life and American 3G rollout are bogus.

And this happened because all board level design decisions are made by Jobs, who likes to put out crappy products that he can market the hell out of to fools, just because he's such a dick and a charlatan. I would imagine his engineers came to him with the correct chip, but Jobs demanded they downgrade it.

But that can't be it, because Apple doesn't have any competent engineers (they probably couldn't even figure out what was on the market, and just grabbed the first thing that came to hand), since random dudes on the internet can easily see how pointlessly stupid the iPhone design is.

And these random dudes come by their expertise because they are phone owners.

That about it?

Well, I mean obviously that guy is a troll, (altho his post count is kinda high, are all his posts this bad) but you are oversimplifying it, I mean using old chips so you can make your next product more worthing of updating isn't unheard of, I think it was implied that apple is using planned obsoletence (sp?), which I don't doubt was a part of the decisions that they made (tho not wholly the reason either)
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post #44 of 126
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So if I'm following here, the contention of some posters is that Apple went out of their way to put a shitty, old tech chip in the iPhone for no reason whatsoever, since their claims about battery life and American 3G rollout are bogus.

And this happened because all board level design decisions are made by Jobs, who likes to put out crappy products that he can market the hell out of to fools, just because he's such a dick and a charlatan. I would imagine his engineers came to him with the correct chip, but Jobs demanded they downgrade it.

But that can't be it, because Apple doesn't have any competent engineers (they probably couldn't even figure out what was on the market, and just grabbed the first thing that came to hand), since random dudes on the internet can easily see how pointlessly stupid the iPhone design is.

And these random dudes come by their expertise because they are phone owners.

That about it?

It seems that most people seem to want to explain everything with some sort of conspiracy. The simple answer that people seem to not be able to arrive at is that Apple has little time and they compromised on the things they thought people would care least about or were the hardest to fix.
post #45 of 126
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Just a side point, but Nokia design their own chips. They rarely use off the shelf components.

They used to design their own chips, but they now contract it out. PM me and I can give you a bit more info.
post #46 of 126
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It is a compromise. You can bet your bottom dollar Steve Jobs didn't want to have to do this. I don't want to have to worry about the underlying technology when using a mobile.

You may remember that Jobs said they'd have 3G phones out by the end of this year. It appears they've thought that they can't wait until the end of the year, for whatever reason, so they've compromised on ease-of-use, and used a chip that's not as efficient as they'd like but included a preference option to turn it off and on.

Having to turn a capability on and off manually because it's not fit for purpose is certainly not a "feature." It's the definition of compromise.

So by your reasoning, the fact that I had this FEATURE in my phones for years was a compromise on the part of SE and Nokia? Yeah, that makes sense. NOT !!!!!!!!!!
post #47 of 126
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For all those of you who have and use a 3G phone with a 3G switch and live in a 3G coverage area please do the following experiment:
Use the phone as 3G only a couple of weeks and then as a 2G only a couple of weeks. You will see 2-3x more standby and talk time as 2G only.
This is true for my SonyEricsson Phones as well as for Nokia phones and will be ture for iPhone.
Since i am very satisfied with the Speed of the EDGE Network i will probably leave my next Iphone v2 on 2G mode and will be happy to only have to charge it once a week instead of every second day my current iphone hangs in the charging cradle.

And the problem with charging a phone is what exactly? If you are satisfied with the speed of an EDGE network, it would seem that the iPhone v1.0 is the phone of choice for you. Why would you bother with a considerably more advanced phone when 3 year old technology will do?
post #48 of 126
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Originally Posted by icedtea1996 View Post

hey addabox, or mr i chew on everything mr jobs hands me: they might well have opted to have a shittier chip in the phones for the same reasons they have opted to have 1 out of 3 displays manufactured for the macbook be of inferior quality, or ship loads of mac pros with the bluetooth cables set up wrong (and hope no one notices), or have everyones macbook plastic surface crumble after just over a year -- its cause they have to SAVE MONEY and keep the SHAREHOLDERS HAPPY. "oh the shittier chips would just cost 10 bucks less, what would they save" - with 5 million units sold they save 50million dollars. get a life, fanboy.

A bit harsh there dude. Yes there are some here that hang on to every word Steve-o says but for the most part we are all in the dark regarding what Apple or anyone else is doing, that is of course a privileged few actually go to the weekly meetings and have first hand knowledge. While some here actually believe that Steve Jobs is their friend and designing products just for them, I prefer to see it as it is. Steve Jobs is only loyal to Mrs. Job, his kids, and the shareholders. If he could sell air and have us buy it, he would. Another point, I do not think everything Apple does is built around a conspiracy theory but I do know that certain markets are more gullible to what is fed to them than others.
post #49 of 126
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hey addabox, or mr i chew on everything mr jobs hands me: they might well have opted to have a shittier chip in the phones for the same reasons they have opted to have 1 out of 3 displays manufactured for the macbook be of inferior quality, or ship loads of mac pros with the bluetooth cables set up wrong (and hope no one notices), or have everyones macbook plastic surface crumble after just over a year -- its cause they have to SAVE MONEY and keep the SHAREHOLDERS HAPPY. "oh the shittier chips would just cost 10 bucks less, what would they save" - with 5 million units sold they save 50million dollars. get a life, fanboy.

Yes because not selling what they promised (first example), support calls and emails (second example) and replacing parts (third example) don't cost Apple anything at all! Silly points are very silly.
post #50 of 126
i won't get 3g for years since in my little town, we didn't get evdo till everyone was bored and didn't have anything else to do.....last last last. so i won't need the switch, since you have said on other threads that if 3g not available it drops to 2 g.... is there something to gain for me to switch off 3g anyway??? does the phone seeking 3g take more power to a dedicated 3g off ??

i'm not getting it for 3g (ok laugh at me) but since my area won't have it it doesn't matter, what i want are the new bells and whistles AND the 3rd party apps that hope hope hope has some
FREAKIN' VOICE DIALING PPPLLLEEEASE!!!!!!

its the 3rd party apps that really make iphone 2 rock
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post #51 of 126
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i won't get 3g for years since in my little town, we didn't get evdo till everyone was bored and didn't have anything else to do.....last last last. so i won't need the switch, since you have said on other threads that if 3g not available it drops to 2 g.... is there something to gain for me to switch off 3g anyway??? does the phone seeking 3g take more power to a dedicated 3g off ??

i'm not getting it for 3g (ok laugh at me) but since my area won't have it it doesn't matter, what i want are the new bells and whistles AND the 3rd party apps that hope hope hope has some
FREAKIN' VOICE DIALING PPPLLLEEEASE!!!!!!

its the 3rd party apps that really make iphone 2 rock

Agreed. I jailbroke my iPhone and have some pretty good apps on it. You might want to get a 3G phone if you travel out of your area often.
post #52 of 126
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Hey mlarkin, just go away... this is a rumour site not The Guardian newspaper.

As to the switch for turning off 3G, that's a bummer, it appears they've compromised because an efficient enough chip wasn't forthcoming. Still, it's presumably better than having no 3G option at all, and it's still the mobile phone I've been waiting for for 10 or so years!

I didn't buy version 1. Been waiting for the update. I've hated mobile phone design for the whole time they've existed... after June that won't be the case any more

All this hype about 3G...

I have a 3G phone (Samsung Black Jack II) and my wife have an iPhone. We both have AT&T as a provider and we live in the heart of Silicon Valley. Guess who's phone is usable when you want to browse something on the web...right. The iPhone is faster every time in practical usage. The only time I've seen some speed advantage on my 3G phone is when I need to download install a program (cab files). That has happened 3 times in the last year. The browser is useless, the screen is to small, the UI and navigation sucks. To add to that...you think I have 3G covarge all the time...think again. The network sucks too...but then again that's typical US. They are still worse on the cell networks coverage and reliability than what I had when I got my first GSM phone in Sweden back in the mid 90's!

Also, 90% of our usage of the phones is spent in email and for that you don't need 3G

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post #53 of 126
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Yes because not selling what they promised (first example), support calls and emails (second example) and replacing parts (third example) don't cost Apple anything at all! Silly points are very silly.

obviously it doesnt, because those were all examples that happened to me as well (which explains a little bit my frustration with blind fanboys). no one got a new macbook just because they realized that they have one of the shittier displays, costs for apple: 0. its yours truly that pays for support calls NOT apple, silly. so 0 again there and a little profit for apple. and have you heard of anyone getting their enclosure replaced because theyve used it so heavily that its got cracks because of the inferiority quality? yea sure, maybe if you get a couple thousand people together and file a lawsuit, but until then, still NO COSTS there for apple. but im sure theyd be happy to replace anything you dont like for a moderately priced fee.

do your homework silly fanboy #2 before you play smartass.
post #54 of 126
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

So if I'm following here, the contention of some posters is that Apple went out of their way to put a shitty, old tech chip in the iPhone for no reason whatsoever, since their claims about battery life and American 3G rollout are bogus.

And this happened because all board level design decisions are made by Jobs, who likes to put out crappy products that he can market the hell out of to fools, just because he's such a dick and a charlatan. I would imagine his engineers came to him with the correct chip, but Jobs demanded they downgrade it.

But that can't be it, because Apple doesn't have any competent engineers (they probably couldn't even figure out what was on the market, and just grabbed the first thing that came to hand), since random dudes on the internet can easily see how pointlessly stupid the iPhone design is.

And these random dudes come by their expertise because they are phone owners.

That about it?

Well put, a bunch of random nobodies on an internet forum know more than the world class engineers and workers who are working at a corporation like Apple.
post #55 of 126
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Yes. The 8878 was shipping then, not just announced.

It was announced in Feb 2006. http://www.infineon.com/cms/en/corpo...06/170186.html

"Samples of the S-GOLD3H are available today. The reference design platform MP-EH is expected to be available in mid 2006 with the prospect for manufacturers of mid-range multimedia phones to ramp-up in summer 2007."

Clearly Infineon were expecting shipping phones with it in in summer 2007 - around the time of the iPhone launch.

Right but the iPhone according to rumours had been worked on for roughly 3 years. So this chipset wasn't around at the time they started working on. I suspect they wanted to release the iPhone earlier than when they did but even if they didn't it would have been a risk to base their design on a chip which would hopefully be ship in the summer 2007. Clearly until that ships to your factories in large enough quantities you cannot then begin making your phone in large quantities either.

Simply put, the chipset wasn't ready in time.

[QUOTE=aegisdesign;1250119]No. TI didn't get the OMAP3 chips out till just the start of this year and to be frank, Nokia already have the most advanced phones out there so it's not as though they desperately need the OMAP3 yet. On the other hand, 3G is important.

No the chips started sampling last year and were ready for shipments early this year.

Nokia phones are more advanced in some areas but in others they aren't. The iPhone has a faster CPU / GPU than any Nokia. It's got a 3.5inch large multitouch touchscreen. You can get an iPhone with 16GB of inbuilt flash RAM. The Apple iPhone hardware accelerates H264 where as a Nokia only hardware accelerates H263 (H264 is done by the CPU, hence the short movie playback times you get on a present Nokia if you use high quality video).

It's not just that the iPhone uses a faster clocked ARM11 core to a Nokia. If you look at this you'll see how much faster the iPhone's processor is. Clearly it has a FPU unit which Nokia haven't included (Well TI as they make the CPU).

iPhone FPU benchmark vs other phones

Also it seems to me like Nokia are going backwards. The new N96 removes the 3D accelerator from their phones (Probably a good idea because it's wasting juice as their OS / UI doesn't make use of it) and also it downgrades the CPU from an ARM11 core of the OMAP2 to a ARM9 core in an ST chip.

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The two board design is bulky and power hungry. I would suspect that Apple have spent the last year cost reducing the two board solution into more integrated SOCs and one board. That's what everyone else has been doing so that they can run more complex OSs on single chip cheap phones. That's what Symbian and Nokia spent most of 2004/5 doing, getting the OS capable of running on a single CPU that handles both the general CPU duties and the radio stack instead of two chips. IME it's taken them 3 years to get that working well and now they're being pushed by Apple on the UI front, which is great news for everybody.

Yes that is a great feature in Symbian running as a true realtime OS so it can run the cell phone features off the main CPU. It cuts down on their BOM costs and power draw.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against Nokia. Just I think people bash the iPhone for a few missing features but miss the bigger picture in that the underlying hardware and OS is actually pretty good. Nokia's are very flexable and if they can ever get their interface close to Apple's then I cannot see Apple doing so well in the phone market. However Nokia seem to be like Microsoft in that they want to keep backwards compatibility and a similar UI which people know. This I feel is preventing them from moving forwards on the UI front. S60 has looked the same pretty much since it launched, it's in dire need of bringing up to date. Also some of the options are well hidden when they shouldn't be, it's not always logically located. So it needs a rethink of their settings and menu layout as well in some areas.

I hope Apple keep doing well in the phone market just to keep the big players on their feet. I think before Apple came along they were just cruising happily along. They didn't need to put quite as much R&D in as they probably are putting in now. I'll look forward to seeing what Nokia puts out in a year or two, the Nokia Tube just isn't competition to the iPhone but a knee jerk reaction to get something out quick. Apple won't sit still either of course.
post #56 of 126
The world's best kept secret that Apple was going to produce a 3G iPhone is finally revealed. Wow! Biggest scoop of the year.

I doubt if there's some old tech chip in the 3G iPhone. I would think that if you shut down the chip completely it will save battery power. What's wrong with that. I really think there is too much speculation at this time. Why not wait until the device is introduced and put in use? The 3G iPhone won't be perfect but it will probably be much better than most other 3G smartphones on the market.
post #57 of 126
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

So if I'm following here, the contention of some posters is that Apple went out of their way to put a shitty, old tech chip in the iPhone for no reason whatsoever, since their claims about battery life and American 3G rollout are bogus.

And this happened because all board level design decisions are made by Jobs, who likes to put out crappy products that he can market the hell out of to fools, just because he's such a dick and a charlatan. I would imagine his engineers came to him with the correct chip, but Jobs demanded they downgrade it.

But that can't be it, because Apple doesn't have any competent engineers (they probably couldn't even figure out what was on the market, and just grabbed the first thing that came to hand), since random dudes on the internet can easily see how pointlessly stupid the iPhone design is.

And these random dudes come by their expertise because they are phone owners.

That about it?

Thats about it in a nutshell.
post #58 of 126
What does this data roaming mean?
Does it mean that I can switch it off, so I can only connect to the Internet by WLAN, not EDGE/3G?
That'd be so cool for us without an ulimited data plan. Is this it then?
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post #59 of 126
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Anyone with a 3G phone knows they run out of battery faster than a 2G phone just by talking.

That's wrong, because on every 3G phone I've had, there has been a choice of whether to use 3G for both voice and data or just for data. I chose just data, and then it only activates the 3G transmitter when data was needed.

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ATo add to that...you think I have 3G covarge all the time...think again. The network sucks too...but then again that's typical US. They are still worse on the cell networks coverage and reliability than what I had when I got my first GSM phone in Sweden back in the mid 90's!

I guess most of the complainers about no 3G are from countries with good 3G networks. The UK has 70% coverage.
post #60 of 126
For all the iPhone bashers, I don't know whether you realise your phones are never not connected to the web and it must be activated so your telcos can start charging you for data usage and download so cut the crap that your 3G phones last longer. If it is connected all the time, well, good for you, your telcos must be very happy with you because you are paying for data usage for nothing.
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For all the iPhone bashers, I don'ht know whether you realise your phones are never not connected to the web and it must be activated so your telcos can start charging you for data usage and download so cut the crap that your 3G phones last longer. If it is connected all the time, well, good for you, your telcos must be very happy wit you because you are paying for data usage for nothing.

What are you talking about? Are there 3G data plans that aren't unlimited?
post #62 of 126
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby View Post

Wow. What an innovative feature. My Nokia, and SE phones have had this for YEARS.....

BS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The guy obviously has no clue what the hell he is talking about. My phone lasts all day and night and is connected to a 3G network. It is the 3G applications and usage that drain the battery. Tell Steve to sit down before he hurts himself.

Marketing BS that the lemmings will swallow, hook, line and sinker. Obviously Stevie Boy never heard of the Nokia E90, Nokia E61/E61i, Nokia N81/N82. Steve should stick to talking about what he knows and stop believing his own hype.

please, calm the f**k down. the iphone is doing some catchup, no one is disputing that. Also, poor wording on a spokesperson's part, big deal. 3g does drain battery, otherwise the nokia wouldn't have the darned off switch!!!! please, stop bothering us.

edit: personal insults removed. sorry for flaming the fire guys.
post #63 of 126
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby View Post

It is not a compromise. Real phone manufactures have had this FEATURE for years but now suddenly because it is Apple doing it now it's a big deal. Reason being, there was a time (still is in the US) when 3G networks were no everywhere and there was no need for the phone to drain power searching for a 3G network where none existed.

we're not saying this is a big deal, but rather the feature exists, and that it is proof of 3g. why are you being so darned argumentative?

edit: personal insults removed. sorry for flaming the fire guys.
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

Phone battery life cannot be simply compared. All of these phones have different size screens and brightness, different speed processors and graphic accelerators. They all budget their power efficiency differently. That is the reason phone specs list different battery lives. You cannot just say X phone last such a time with 3G so the iPhone should be able to.

thank you. a voice of reason.
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby View Post

Obviously it is a big deal as it warranted being mentioned. In the Nokia and SE marketing, the ability to toggle on and off 3G is viewed as a major event. Too bad it has been a feature for years.

that's like saying the following after being informed your mother gave birth: WHAT???? Who cares??? That FEATURE has been around for years!!!!!!

the point is, its on the iphone, that's it. we're not saying its innovative, just that it exists. now sit down and take a chill pill.

edit: personal insults removed. sorry for flaming the fire guys.
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Originally Posted by icedtea1996 View Post

hey addabox, or mr i chew on everything mr jobs hands me: they might well have opted to have a shittier chip in the phones for the same reasons they have opted to have 1 out of 3 displays manufactured for the macbook be of inferior quality, or ship loads of mac pros with the bluetooth cables set up wrong (and hope no one notices), or have everyones macbook plastic surface crumble after just over a year -- its cause they have to SAVE MONEY and keep the SHAREHOLDERS HAPPY. "oh the shittier chips would just cost 10 bucks less, what would they save" - with 5 million units sold they save 50million dollars. get a life, fanboy.

if you are unhappy with apple products, then that's your prerogative. we aren't saying the iphone is perfect, we're just saying that it isn't the piece of sh*t you want it to be. stop trolling. we have no use for trollers here.

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Originally Posted by FastLaneJB View Post

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against Nokia. Just I think people bash the iPhone for a few missing features but miss the bigger picture in that the underlying hardware and OS is actually pretty good. Nokia's are very flexable and if they can ever get their interface close to Apple's then I cannot see Apple doing so well in the phone market. However Nokia seem to be like Microsoft in that they want to keep backwards compatibility and a similar UI which people know. This I feel is preventing them from moving forwards on the UI front. S60 has looked the same pretty much since it launched, it's in dire need of bringing up to date. Also some of the options are well hidden when they shouldn't be, it's not always logically located. So it needs a rethink of their settings and menu layout as well in some areas.

I hope Apple keep doing well in the phone market just to keep the big players on their feet. I think before Apple came along they were just cruising happily along. They didn't need to put quite as much R&D in as they probably are putting in now. I'll look forward to seeing what Nokia puts out in a year or two, the Nokia Tube just isn't competition to the iPhone but a knee jerk reaction to get something out quick. Apple won't sit still either of course.

Nice post.
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby View Post

So by your reasoning, the fact that I had this FEATURE in my phones for years was a compromise on the part of SE and Nokia? Yeah, that makes sense. NOT !!!!!!!!!!

its a compromise/stopgap while they lack of a better/less power-hungry chipset. How does that not make sense?
post #69 of 126
Honestly people this is hilarious. Keep it up.

Its just a screenshot, no biggie. Just suggests that users will get some more power management capabilities than they may have expected.

You all rave about how it should be there, and how Apple are behind the times...

For a computer company, they aren't doing too bad.
Should it be there? Yeah, it should, of course. The news was in the fact that it is informing people that 3G support is fully confirmed by screenshot, not just references in the OS, and that Apple are putting something there that may not have been expected.

So what? Fanboys and Hateboys quiet down. If you don't like Apple phones, thats great. If you do, thats great too.

Did you guys all just join to fight?

I joined to comment on ideas and receive others ideas from the rumors flying the web about apple.
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Originally Posted by federmoose View Post

my god, are you retarded? we're not saying this is a big deal, but rather the feature exists, and that it is proof of 3g. seriously, why the need to be so darned argumentative?

sorry for the insults here, its just unnecessarily aggressive people annoy me to no end.

Out of respect for Lundy, I will not respond in a public forum but if you care to join me in PM I will be more than happy to "straighten you out".
post #71 of 126
Haven't been on in awhile. Any rumors about memory capacity on upcoming iPhone 2?
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Haven't been on in awhile. Any rumors about memory capacity on upcoming iPhone 2?

No, those would be very boring rumors.

It's going to be 8, 16 or 32. Guess.
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Haven't been on in awhile. Any rumors about memory capacity on upcoming iPhone 2?

Not that I'm aware of. I'm betting on 16gb for the current price of 8. not sure if there'll be a 32 yet, but absolutely within the year.
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Originally Posted by Amorya View Post

That's wrong, because on every 3G phone I've had, there has been a choice of whether to use 3G for both voice and data or just for data. I chose just data, and then it only activates the 3G transmitter when data was needed.

Is it really used for voice?

Another question I have is how long does it tale to initialize a 3G connection? Why not have the connection on only when you're using a data intensive app? Say maybe if I start Safari, 3G turns on, if Safari isn't used for 5 minutes, turn off that radio?
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Is it really used for voice?

Another question I have is how long does it tale to initialize a 3G connection? Why not have the connection on only when you're using a data intensive app? Say maybe if I start Safari, 3G turns on, if Safari isn't used for 5 minutes, turn off that radio?

That's what happens already.

Now you can decide to access the internet using slightly less power.
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Originally Posted by federmoose View Post

if you are unhappy with apple products, then that's your prerogative. we aren't saying the iphone is perfect, we're just saying that it isn't the piece of shit you want it to be. now, get a life and stop trolling. we have no use for your kind here.

i didnt say its a piece of shit, you shit. stop talking about kinds like youre part of the ku klux klan, fanboy. i guess no criticism is accepted amongst "your" kind. youd rather have the sarcastic apple loverboys complaining about the haters and not have anyone take on those silly complaints. and whats the last resort? just plain saying "we dont like your kind". spoken like a true misogynist, ill go get a life if you give up yours.
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Originally Posted by icedtea1996 View Post

i didnt say its a piece of shit, you shit. stop talking about kinds like youre part of the ku klux klan, fanboy. i guess no criticism is accepted amongst "your" kind. youd rather have the sarcastic apple loverboys complaining about the haters and not have anyone take on those silly complaints. and whats the last resort? just plain saying "we dont like your kind". spoken like a true misogynist, ill go get a life if you give up yours.

wow, that was heated. I think we need to take a step back here.
criticism is fine, just not trolling, which seemed to be the case here.
there are subtler ways to critique than to be a d*ck about it.
'nough said.
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Originally Posted by icedtea1996 View Post

i didnt say its a piece of shit, you shit. stop talking about kinds like youre part of the ku klux klan, fanboy. i guess no criticism is accepted amongst "your" kind. youd rather have the sarcastic apple loverboys complaining about the haters and not have anyone take on those silly complaints. and whats the last resort? just plain saying "we dont like your kind". spoken like a true misogynist, ill go get a life if you give up yours.

Wow! Just, uhhh wow !!!!!
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Umm, getting back on topic...couldn't the whole battery life issue be simply solved by making it user swappable?

Apple makes money on selling an add-on and the user wins by always having an extra battery on hand.
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Originally Posted by satchmo View Post

Umm, getting back on topic...couldn't the whole battery life issue be simply solved by making it user swappable?

Apple makes money on selling an add-on and the user wins by always having an extra battery on hand.

form factor issues, and Jobs is decently stubborn. also, (at least for me) annoying to carry around an accessory (other than the headphones) for an all-in-one device.
from one fight, on to another!
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