Originally Posted by aegisdesign
Yes. The 8878 was shipping then, not just announced.
It was announced in Feb 2006. http://www.infineon.com/cms/en/corpo...06/170186.html
"Samples of the S-GOLD3H are available today. The reference design platform MP-EH is expected to be available in mid 2006 with the prospect for manufacturers of mid-range multimedia phones to ramp-up in summer 2007."
Clearly Infineon were expecting shipping phones with it in in summer 2007 - around the time of the iPhone launch.
Right but the iPhone according to rumours had been worked on for roughly 3 years. So this chipset wasn't around at the time they started working on. I suspect they wanted to release the iPhone earlier than when they did but even if they didn't it would have been a risk to base their design on a chip which would hopefully be ship in the summer 2007. Clearly until that ships to your factories in large enough quantities you cannot then begin making your phone in large quantities either.
Simply put, the chipset wasn't ready in time.
[QUOTE=aegisdesign;1250119]No. TI didn't get the OMAP3 chips out till just the start of this year and to be frank, Nokia already have the most advanced phones out there so it's not as though they desperately need the OMAP3 yet. On the other hand, 3G is important.
No the chips started sampling last year and were ready for shipments early this year.
Nokia phones are more advanced in some areas but in others they aren't. The iPhone has a faster CPU / GPU than any Nokia. It's got a 3.5inch large multitouch touchscreen. You can get an iPhone with 16GB of inbuilt flash RAM. The Apple iPhone hardware accelerates H264 where as a Nokia only hardware accelerates H263 (H264 is done by the CPU, hence the short movie playback times you get on a present Nokia if you use high quality video).
It's not just that the iPhone uses a faster clocked ARM11 core to a Nokia. If you look at this you'll see how much faster the iPhone's processor is. Clearly it has a FPU unit which Nokia haven't included (Well TI as they make the CPU).iPhone FPU benchmark vs other phones
Also it seems to me like Nokia are going backwards. The new N96 removes the 3D accelerator from their phones (Probably a good idea because it's wasting juice as their OS / UI doesn't make use of it) and also it downgrades the CPU from an ARM11 core of the OMAP2 to a ARM9 core in an ST chip.
Originally Posted by aegisdesign
The two board design is bulky and power hungry. I would suspect that Apple have spent the last year cost reducing the two board solution into more integrated SOCs and one board. That's what everyone else has been doing so that they can run more complex OSs on single chip cheap phones. That's what Symbian and Nokia spent most of 2004/5 doing, getting the OS capable of running on a single CPU that handles both the general CPU duties and the radio stack instead of two chips. IME it's taken them 3 years to get that working well and now they're being pushed by Apple on the UI front, which is great news for everybody.
Yes that is a great feature in Symbian running as a true realtime OS so it can run the cell phone features off the main CPU. It cuts down on their BOM costs and power draw.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against Nokia. Just I think people bash the iPhone for a few missing features but miss the bigger picture in that the underlying hardware and OS is actually pretty good. Nokia's are very flexable and if they can ever get their interface close to Apple's then I cannot see Apple doing so well in the phone market. However Nokia seem to be like Microsoft in that they want to keep backwards compatibility and a similar UI which people know. This I feel is preventing them from moving forwards on the UI front. S60 has looked the same pretty much since it launched, it's in dire need of bringing up to date. Also some of the options are well hidden when they shouldn't be, it's not always logically located. So it needs a rethink of their settings and menu layout as well in some areas.
I hope Apple keep doing well in the phone market just to keep the big players on their feet. I think before Apple came along they were just cruising happily along. They didn't need to put quite as much R&D in as they probably are putting in now. I'll look forward to seeing what Nokia puts out in a year or two, the Nokia Tube just isn't competition to the iPhone but a knee jerk reaction to get something out quick. Apple won't sit still either of course.