Originally Posted by frugality
Unfortunately you don't know the bible. You only know ABOUT the bible.
When Isaac Newton wrote Principia Mathematica - he was just a human, writing a book.
But when he wrote it, he did it such a way that it was unambiguous. It was clear. It was definitive.
The laughable notion that the Bible is the word of god implies that god is confused, immoral and dangerous.
On one page, killing is forbidden. On anther page, mass genocide with virgin rape is endorsed.
God encourages forgiveness in one part, but appears spiteful and aggressive in another part.
The moral guidance is despicable. The taking of slaves is acceptable. Women are regarded as property even in the 10 commandments.
The gospels were written so long after the events that they are barely recognizable as the same story. They have been clearly reverse-engineered to try to map Jesus onto a pre-existing set of prophecies. Jesus came from Nazareth, the prophecy said the messiah was going to be born in Bethlehem, so the Bethlehem story was added in. There was no census until AD 6, and that did not require people to move. The contradictions could fill a book.
The Virgin birth story (which appears also in Egyptian, Roman and Indian mythology.) Mary's virginity seems to be in doubt because Jesus clearly had several biological brothers.
So my question to you is. If you KNOW the bible. How come all this contradictory nonsense does not bother you. A scientist can interpret Newton's word and work out precisely what he meant. If this is supposed to be God's actual language, why is he such a poor communicator?
Here's another theory. The text was written, collected, translated and edited by men. Driven to do so by the popular religious zeal of the day. They were keen to spread a message, and altered and distorted facts, myths and invention to suit the message. For a long time the clergy prevented it from being translated into current language. People were executed for doing so. I wonder why?
Originally Posted by frugality
The very fact that you are trying to reason this way shows that you were created in the image of God. If you were a randomly evolved being, you wouldn't bother arguing over what you think is right or wrong. Everything would just be as it is, no more no less. But you are trying to be righteous, and you don't yet know why.
More likely that god was created in our image. When ignorant and illiterate humans were scrabbling for explanations for earthquakes and storms, their child-like minds invented the notion of an angry human-like spirit. Back in the day, it was a pretty good theory. They even tried to bribe the thunder spirit with gifts of sacrifice. The hebrews took the notion and ran with it.
Evolution solves problems by BRUTE FORCE. It tries every combination, and only those that work get through the filter. Randomness is irrelevant. If you ever played chess with a computer, you'll know that stupidity, combined with brute force feels a lot like intelligence. Brute force also makes mistakes. Which is why there are so many design flaws in us.
If you and I were crossing the road together, and you stepped in front of an oncoming truck. My evolved instincts would be to save your religious ass. We share much of the same genes and saving you is good for our common selfish genes. That is where morality comes from. Death and suffering are not so good. We moral people try to make choices to reduce it.
So I am trying, in a way, to save you now. From a truck which you have chosen to lie in front of. If you carry on as you are doing, you'll be wiped out. For three billion years, lifeform has begat lifeform. Countless millennia have gone by. A continuous unbroken chain of reproductive success. Until they got to you. Your immortal genes are in peril.
If you want to know real joy, hold your 5 minute-old daughter in your arms. *That* is what you are made for. That is the meaning of life. It's an unforgettable experience.
It is in no way diminished when 16 years later, the same daughter tries to hustle you for an over-priced leather jacket.