That's heavily ironic Gorgonzola.
Of course I have no idea about the day-to-day workings of MacNN and AppleInsider. What I was commenting about was Monish's "repuation", you my friend were quite outspoken about the frustrations of dealing with Mr. Monish. Quite a few posts over at the Lounge by you expressing frustration at reaching Monish. If things are better with his communication and accessibility issues than that is great for you guys (Mods and Admin's) who were the people Monish tended to ignore in the past, which made your job quite frustrating. You as much as anyone else here who has been around quite a while know where my posts in this thread were coming from...for you to say I am resurrecting a rumor is quite false, just going based on past experiences with Monish.
I for one am greatly saddened by the aggressive and demeaning tone you have taken with me Gorgonzola. Who offered his time and contacts to try and ressurrect AI when it was down? Who was trying to get that girl at Reprahduce to get the info off of the Cube to you? I think you know me better than to post something like that aimed at me.
Again, if things are better than good for you. Being a Mod myself at another board the frustration that Monish caused you and the other Mods at MacNN was the only reason behind my comments. Perhaps you shouldn't forget so easily when someone makes a job you do for free so difficult at times.Posted by Gorgonzola on August 10th 2001 at 8:44am at BadFlamingo:
[quote]What Bodhi said is indeed true, but getting AI back online permanently and in full force would take no more than a week if Monish put some elbow grease into it, which he clearly is not doing. Â*Lest you think that his powers of procrastination are concentrated fully and mercilessly on AppleInsider alone, note that:
(1) Our new publishing system is nowhere to be found.
(2) Parts of the MacNN Network that are now obsolete have not been removed or cleaned up. Â*games.macnn.com is still here even though it's been discontinued.
(3) Reviews.macnn.com is also extremely old. Â*We've in fact *published some new reviews* (on Snapz Pro X, for one), but I don't see that on reviews.macnn.com, do you?
(4) The new comments system is the most minimal possible incarnation of what we've been discussing.
(5) Monish has still not paid for the t-shirts that we ordered from a MacNN forum member for MWNY, despite repeated badgering from both myself and said member.
(6) The successor to our forum server has not arrived despite its scheduled installation about a month and a half ago, and as a result, there's no place to put AI.
These are just the things I remember off the top of my head. Â*Believe me, it's not a whole lot easier to get in touch with Monish even if you *do* work with him.
I suggest you work on building up your community here. Â*I used to read AppleInsider myself, and try as I might to resurrect it, there are some things that Monish has to do, and those things have just not been done.
The information regarding MacNN or Monish that I've shared with you here is strictly off-forum; I hope you understand.
Or Eskimo's post:
[quote]Here's my take on the whole thing. Â*Monish sucks. Â*Short and sweet. Â*During the short time that AI came back up before this last great blackout myself and the other moderators and administrators talked things over a bit. Â*We asked Monish for control over the AI server and offered to do the maintanance that was required to keep it running even if it meant hosting it ourselves. Â*We even considered building our own server to host the forums and such. Â*We contacted Mr. Scates about helping us out with some of the redesign work if we got control, which he kindly offered. Â*We also received support from another member of AI that is a co-owner of a hosting company and offered us a 50% discount off normal hosting fees at his company. Â*Many more members told us they were willing to donate some money to the cause. Â*I think we really could have done it and I was very impressed by the level of support from the members.
Now none of us really wanted the baggage time wise and legally of running the AI frontpage. Â*We are engineers, researchers, artists and such, not entrepreneurs. Â*Monish basically never answered our repeated inquiries into the matter. Â*We were stopped by his apathy on the subject which for a business leader I found pathetic. Â*The only response I ever got from him was that if we had a guy that would give us discounted hosting then he should offer MacNN cheap hosting and that we could build a server and send it to him. Â*What a f**cking joke! Â*
There is no way in hell I would ever offer money to anything that MacNN/Monish is in control of. Â*It's a waste of your money. Â*If he wants to be inept and run AI into the ground he's done a pretty good job enough of that already. Â*I'm not going to spend money to see him piss that away too. Â*Gorgonzola is a good guy and I know he was honestly trying to help us out but I feel he was as much held back as all the rest of us by the powers that be. Â*He offered to give us control of the new AI server if they ever got it up. Â*Now tell me what kind of business orders a new server and then allows it not to be delivered for 2-3 months? Â*Any real business worth its salt would be screaming down the neck of a vendor that screwed them like that and take their business elswhere. Â*So either Monish is sitting around on his ass and there never was a real server ordered, or he is being an idiot and should cancel the freaking order, and go to a vendor that will give him a real computer. Â*Hell go to fricking Dell, they will have it on your doorstep by the end of the next business day if you want.
Excuse my candor on the issue... Stuff like this just really bothers me. Â*We had a nice community going at AI until a few people screwed it up for all of us.\t<hr></blockquote>
Rumor? I think not Gorgonzola. Don't let the title go to your head. Don't forget the pain some has caused in the past just because they are nice now.
Link: <a href="http://www.xsorbit.com/users/flamingo/index.cgi?board=General_Discussion&action=display&
num=995952432&start=45" target="_blank">Bad Flamingo thread</a>
Eskimo post: <a href="http://www.xsorbit.com/users/flamingo/index.cgi?board=General_Discussion&action=display&
num=1001916395" target="_blank">BadFlamingo - Eskimo</a>
Now...about that Flat Panel iMac!
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