Originally Posted by bloggerblog
I hope they come out with a mid-range desktop too, such as a mid-tower.
Let's put this all together, shall we?
Reason #1 why there will NEVER be a mid-tower from Apple:
Originally Posted by paxman
...the kind of people who upgrade their computers are also the ones that hang out in places like this (forums) and complain...
But, seriously, how many of the millions of Apple and PC users upgrade their computers beyond RAM and possibly a hard disk...
Reason #2 why there will NEVER be a mid-tower from Apple:
Originally Posted by MFago
We use laptops at home and I need a home file server, call it an XServe SOHO. Take the mainboard from a Mini, add 4 drive bays, perhaps one PCI slot and beef up the power supply and fans etc. Put it in a very cute mini-tower case. I'd think $999-$1299 wouldn't be unreasonable.
The closest thing I can get to this is a Mac Mini with an external drive enclosure(s) using Firewire 400 (not really meant for a server), or $2500 for a Mac Pro (way overkill). So guess what? I haven't bought anything ...
Apple wants us to get all of our music/TV/Movies over iTunes, but won't sell us any place to put it!
Put a Mini, a Time Capsule, and an Apple TV together and you've got all the functionality you mention here, in about the same price range.
Originally Posted by reallynotnick
The reason I want a cheap tower is not so much for it's upgradability but it's power/price ratio.
The iMac has a mobile CPU and a mobile GPU which to me is the most important part of the machine. By increasing the case size and just using desktop chips you could have a considerably faster computer for the exact same price.
The Mac Pro's are really out of that golden power per dollar ratio as they use the latest and greatest chips which cost a pretty penny.
If you want something that is this type of machine, you're saying that you don't need the power of the full Mac Pro, but want more power than an iMac, then you should just get the single quad-core processor MacPro and save yourself $500. You get the expandability you want, the horsepower level you want, and you're not paying the full $2700. It may not be as cheap as you want, but it does give you all of the things you're asking for.
Reason #3 why there will NEVER be a mid-tower from Apple:
Originally Posted by zanshin
Exactly why Apple doesn't want to build one. Why add additional product design and management, component and finished product inventory, mfg. lines, and potentially massive support issues tied to third party DIY upgrades, just to make razor-thin margins so you can compete with all the other beige-box systems? That is not the road to shareholder happy-land.
...The name of the game is profitable sales leading to consistent share price growth, not pleasing every possible market segment.
Let's not forget that computers are appliances now, not much different than GPS's, MP3/Audio players, toasters, etc. The evolution of the technology and the market has moved to the point where people who want to tinker and upgrade and all of that are living in the past. Seriously, take an old Dual G5 tower, like a Quicksilver, or an MDD, and there is absolutely no way you can get the same functionality and power out of one of those by upgrading it and spend less money than buying a new machine. Those who refuse to accept such basic facts and stubbornly cling to the idea of a box they can progressively upgrade, etc. are in denial. Computers are no longer specialized technology that such an approach makes sense with anymore... again, they're appliances now.
Reason #4 why there will NEVER be a mid-tower from Apple:
Originally Posted by suhail
I need a mid-tower because I'd like to have two 20" monitors and a 12" Wacom. MacPro starts at a whopping $2,700, it's insane! iMac and the Mac-mini cannot serve my needs.
If that doesn't happen soon, I'll be forced to buy a nice PC box, install hackintosh, and slowly migrate to the dark, and more flexible, side. It'll be sad... been an Apple user since 1981.
See comment #2 above.
If you want that kind of power/set-up, then your requirements fall into the PRO category... again, it's not rocket science. If you don't want to pony up $2700, go to a single quad-processor. You'll get all that you want and it wont cost you as much.
If you want to try doing Hackintosh, give it your best shot... I'd be willing to be a sizable amount of money that you'll end up spending more in time (and money) just making the thing run and keeping it running than you'd save by buying the cheaper hardware and hacking 10.5 to run on it.
Also factor in the cost of not being able to run routine security upgrades, 10.5.X updates, etc. and your cost increases even further. You end up cutting off your nose to try and spite Apple. You're just complaining that you can't be a cheap-skate.
Reason #5 why there will NEVER be a mid-tower from Apple:
Originally Posted by Dunks
As I see it the main reason people want a mid range tower so they can spec it out with cheap parts at a low cost.
Suhail and Reallynotnick above fall exactly into this category as I mention at the end of #4 above.
Originally Posted by Dunks
But the problems are Apple loses out on cost of the parts (because they will inevitably be purchased somewhere cheaper and people are less inclined to upgrade the whole system
) and because people will put in a multitude parts (which increases the number of permutations apple must code for
) of low potentially quality (which gives the perception that OS X performs poorly when it is really the hardware that is at fault
Also the idea of separate towers and monitors and cords and shit is the kind of thing Apple does not want muddying up it's designer image.
Exactly. Jobs would go postal with an Uzi in Cupertino before he let something like this happen... This also goes along with my statement above that computers are appliances now. When your toaster craps out on you, you go down to the Home Depot and buy a new one. Same with computers now days.
Originally Posted by Dunks
Apple is slowly re-educating the masses to think about "uniformity" and "deep integration". Being able to look at any iMac and know exactly what software is on it and what it is capable of is a beautiful thing that should not be underestimated.
Here again, Jobs would go Postal with some type of fully automatic firearm before he back-slid on developing this model for Apple's products.
The bottom line is, that there will NEVER be a mid-tower from Apple. I'm not saying that the idea doesn't have it's merits, it does. But the simple fact is that for so many reasons it simply does not make sense economically, nor does it fall into the broader vision Apple has for its products. So GET OVER IT ALREADY.