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Users should expect only modest improvements in a 3G iPhone but a quick launch, according to a new Piper Jaffray research note. Nonetheless, a study says a quarter of iPhone buyers may be waiting on that upgrade. Also, Apple will open a new Florida store this week; a new iPod nano fix is ready; and the US Department of Defense is eyeing Apple's takeover of PA Semi.

Piper: 3G iPhone, software likely conservative

Apple is likely to release an iPhone capable of 3G wireless access earlier than it did the original model last year, but also won't reinvent the product at the same time, says to a new report from financial analysts at Piper Jaffray.

Piper senior analyst Gene Munster and his team estimate that the Apple cellphone will be available in mid-June but that the phone's design will be all but identical save for a thicker casing to fit the bulky 3G chipset and cosmetic changes to freshen its appearance. Aside from boosting the manufacturing cost of the phone from between $12 to $18 more, most of the true revisions will occur next year, the researcher predicts.

"We expect more dramatic changes with the expansion of theÂ*iPhone family to multiple models and price points by [January]," he explains.

Munster also estimates that the version 2.0 iPhone software also won't bring a substantially different experience beyond the officially announced third-party apps and Exchange support. Some Wi-Fi only features of today, such as iTunes Store purchases, could be enabled for use over 3G networks, the analyst writes.

He also draws attention to the gap between a mid-June phone release and Apple's promised late-June 2.0 software upgrade, suggesting that Apple may take pre-orders for 3G iPhones after company chief Steve Jobs' WWDC keynote and ship the units when their software is ready. Apple may nevertheless be keen for an early launch, Munster cautions.

"A mid-June shipment... would enable Apple to sell an initial surge of 3G models atÂ*the end of the June quarter," he says.

Study: 25 percent of buyers waiting for new iPhone

Information freshly culled from a March study of phone buyers by ChangeWave Research suggests that exactly one quarter of all potential iPhone shoppers are delaying purchases to get the next-generation iPhone.

Of the roughly 3,600 respondents to the survey, 14 percent are waiting for any significant revision to the iPhone before they purchase the device, while another 11 percent are specifically holding out for 3G data -- a wish that may be fulfilled in less than three weeks.

"Assuming Apple's next iPhone is 3G-compatible, it's good news for Apple," ChangeWave research head Paul Carton says. "That is the key issue faced by Apple."

Previous results from the company point to current iPhone owners complaining most about slow EDGE speeds, which hamper the touchscreen device's Internet access outside of Wi-Fi range.

In contrast, cost and third-party app support have been secondary problems for Apple. Increases in complaints about cost from 21 to 24 percent between October and March are more likely to relate to worries about the US economy than renewed unhappiness with the iPhone's price, which peaked in July 2007 while Apple continued to sell the iPhone for at least $499.

Apple to open new Florida store

Apple on Tuesday announced a new, considerably lower-key retail store opening than for its Boston store last week.

Apple Store Brandon in Brandon, Florida will open its doors on Saturday the 24th at 10AM Eastern, located inside the Brandon Town Center Mall.

The outlet is Apple's 13th in the southern US state.

Apple releases iPod nano 1.1.2 update

In addition to its retail plans, Apple has also launched its 1.1.2 update for third-generation iPod nanos.

Apple in customary fashion provides few details on the update, saying that it only applies "bug fixes" to the flash-based music player.

The firmware fix is available solely through iTunes.

DoD scrutinizes Apple's PA Semi buyout

Officials at the US Department of Defense are investigating Apple's $278 million PA Semi bid to ensure it doesn't harm the progress of important military contracts.

A number of the chip designer's partners have presented concerns to the government branch that Apple's planned gradual phaseout of support for PA Semi's existing chips will cut short the supply needed for important contracts, concerns which are equalled by the new government response.

"The 1682 [chip from PA Semi] is a very important and unique component required to meet performance requirements on a wide variety of defense applications," says an investigator for the DoD's Deputy Under Secretary.

The Department hasn't disclosed its options but could potentially block the deal without assurances that support will continue for its equipment.
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1. Auto focus camera with Nokia N95 level video recording quality (to reduce gadget count)
2. Stereo Bluetooth
3. FM Radio
4. Larger on screen QWERTY keyboard that pops up in more situations
5. iPod touch thickness casing. These comments about 3G chipsets and battery life are wrong! The Sony Ericsson W890 and other 3G phones have long battery life and are extremely compact. If Apple could pull off the original iPod Nano, they can create a slim 3G phone a year after the original.

If not, Apple will eventually lose out to Android that has many manufactuters behind it so the price to innovation ratio will be better than the iPhone long term.

Further, the UK market demands these features.

It MUST be thinner!
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Maybe apple could sell the IP for the legacy chips to another company, like
Intel sold Xscale to Marvell?????
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1. Auto focus camera with Nokia N95 level video recording quality (to reduce gadget count)

The camera should be improved, just for the sake of saying that it has improved.
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2. Stereo Bluetooth

If somebody finally ends the mess that iPhone headphone cables present every time I pull the iPod out of my pocket, I'd be very grateful.
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3. FM Radio

Webradio via Realplayer would do perfectly fine for me (and I guess for almost everybody else if the phone network can hold up to it).
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5. iPod touch thickness casing.

I have to say the iPod touch looks really cool. But I doubt that the iPhone can be made as thin, the additional radios and battery power has to be fit somewhere. Except when they reach the point that they sell the Touch with air inside because they cannot make it thinner for structural reasons.
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It MUST be thinner!
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1. Auto focus camera with Nokia N95 level video recording quality (to reduce gadget count)
2. Stereo Bluetooth
3. FM Radio
4. Larger on screen QWERTY keyboard that pops up in more situations
5. iPod touch thickness casing. These comments about 3G chipsets and battery life are wrong! The Sony Ericsson W890 and other 3G phones have long battery life and are extremely compact. If Apple could pull off the original iPod Nano, they can create a slim 3G phone a year after the original.

If not, Apple will eventually lose out to Android that has many manufactuters behind it so the price to innovation ratio will be better than the iPhone long term.

Further, the UK market demands these features.

It MUST be thinner!

Actually, my guess is that if the iPhone 3G met none of your features that Apple would still sell every one they could produce as fast as they could ship it. Especially FM Radio! Get real-- the 80's are calling and want their feature set back. What I would really like is it to stream internet radio over the phone network-- now THAT would be a killer app that would probably cut XM/Sirius' stock in half. And who knows, maybe the SDK is flexible enough to allow someone to do it anyway.
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The anal-ist is wrong. It will be thinner and it'll have GPS, maybe a second camera, and a whole bunch of software updates to get it up to speed with the rest of the 3G phone world.
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25 percent of buyers waiting for new iPhone

He pulled that figure out of his a**
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3,600 respondents to the survey

Get real, that's hardly enough, and it was likely based in one location. I'd say a good 70% of potential European customers are waiting for the iPhone to be 3G. Most look at Edge and chuckle.
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The camera should be improved, just for the sake of saying that it has improved.

With customers like you they don't have to do much to see their products.
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I'd guess that the 3G iPhone remains at 16gb. The iPod touch gets a bump to 64gb Sept-Oct. and the purported iPhone upgrades in January include a 32gb model. Sound about right?

If so I think I'll hold onto my iPhone and savior those new third party applications. I'll put the money I have saved towards a MacBook and wait to upgrade my iPhone until I can get a 32gb model.
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He pulled that figure out of his a**

Get real, that's hardly enough, and it was likely based in one location. I'd say a good 70% of potential European customers are waiting for the iPhone to be 3G. Most look at Edge and chuckle.

I would say you pulled your number out of your @$$, Ireland.
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The 1.1.2 Nano software update has been out for a few weeks. Unfortunately it does not fix the problem a few of us are having in which calendars and contacts are not syncing properly. This is staring to be really annoying, I've had my Nano for five months and it can't do what my old black and white iPod could do, i.e. sync calendars and contacts.
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I'm still waiting to see what developers come out with over the rest of the year before buying. From Day One the inclusion of OS X has indicated a situation where the iPhone "could" be far more than we think of it today. Based on what developers deliver I could be looking at a 16 gig iPhone, but 32 gigs has always looked more in tune with where the iPhone could go.

Additional features on the iPhone itself? Upgrading the camera to 4 mp minimum would be important for me and a lot of others. An iSight camera on the front for iChat - especially if Apple delivers iChat for Windows. Sounds odd until you remember how iTunes for Windows kicked up iPod sales. Even if iChat for Windows requires at least one end be a Mac or iPhone or touch. These two features may seem odd to some, but I believe they would drive sales significantly.

It's really up to Steve J to deliver something more than just 3G and I think he will.
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If not, Apple will eventually lose out to Android that has many manufactuters behind it so the price to innovation ratio will be better than the iPhone long term.

Actually, as I understand it, Android is NOT, in practice, one single unified platform: software made for one Android device won't run on another--not if the app is tailored to truly work WELL on the different devices, with their different interfaces, different screen sizes, etc.

In other words, Android developers face a tough dilemma:

* Make an app that is easy to use and efficient on ONE flavor of Android and takes good advantage of ONE kind of device, but doesn't run on others.

* Or make an app that is universal... but doesn't take good advantage of the specific features and interface of any one device--in other words, it detracts from the experience.

Imagine, for instance, an app made to run on both a touchscreen, big-screen iPhone, and on a little screen with physical buttons and no touch. It's not going to give a great experience on both. Similarly, one Android device will neither look nor work like another--and so the apps should not be identical either.

So when we say Android has many manufacturers behind it, that's true in a sense... but they're not all behind the same thing. They don't compete together against the iPhone so much as they compete separately.

Android does theoretically give each of them a nice starting point to work from. Then again, Apple's got a pretty nice point to work from too: a complete, proven mobile OS X

Meanwhile, Apple has tons of developers beating down their door with the iPhone SDK--so it's not just Apple behind the iPhone platform.

I suspect that the innovation measurement may not favor Android after all...
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CHEAPER, CHEAPER, CHEAPER!

Thats what consumers want!

I bought an iPhone from O2 when they were chucking them out at £169 (I got a further £100 back from our connection fee bonus )

I already have 2 3G phones and I don't use any of the 3G features. I only used them for email on the go (no benefit from 3G).

The camera could be better but its good enough for emailing images to friends etc or uploading to my .Mac account.

I would rather have GPS built in rather than 3G as it would actually be a function that is useful.

If the new handset has GPS I will probably get one if the price is right, otherwise I will hold off till the price drops again.
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The 1.1.2 Nano software update has been out for a few weeks. Unfortunately it does not fix the problem a few of us are having in which calendars and contacts are not syncing properly. This is staring to be really annoying, I've had my Nano for five months and it can't do what my old black and white iPod could do, i.e. sync calendars and contacts.

I have to say that I have had no issues with syncing Calendars or Contacts to my iPod nano. I have a Red iPod nano 8GB and sync to an iMac running 10.5.2
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...not that fake GPS, like some other phones. Remember, Apple may have partnered up with Steve Woz's Wheels of Zeus, that were working on some GPS based services.

(Use the Google!)

Wonderkid out

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1. Auto focus camera with Nokia N95 level video recording quality (to reduce gadget count)
2. Stereo Bluetooth
3. FM Radio
4. Larger on screen QWERTY keyboard that pops up in more situations
5. iPod touch thickness casing. These comments about 3G chipsets and battery life are wrong! The Sony Ericsson W890 and other 3G phones have long battery life and are extremely compact. If Apple could pull off the original iPod Nano, they can create a slim 3G phone a year after the original.

If not, Apple will eventually lose out to Android that has many manufactuters behind it so the price to innovation ratio will be better than the iPhone long term.

Further, the UK market demands these features.

It MUST be thinner!
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He pulled that figure out of his a**

Get real, that's hardly enough, and it was likely based in one location. I'd say a good 70% of potential European customers are waiting for the iPhone to be 3G. Most look at Edge and chuckle.

Yes, because a survey of 3,600 people is less accurate than the opinion of some anonymous internet poster making up percentages.
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http://www.informationweek.com/blog/...one_launc.html

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9948326-7.html

google news, gizmodo says v2 iphone comes june 9th, but states that the fcc hasn't "approved" it. hasn't this forum said that the fcc can keep the approval process "restricted" announcement? so it may have been requested by apple to hold any public notice till june 9th?? or maybe it goes to non-us carriers first .

when piper says modest improvement--that sounds like they are preparing us for disappointment...modest means what exactly...the feature set isn't known to anyone right?

if apple just makes it 3g without anything else that would really curb appeal...forcing me to wait till fall and early Christmas buying season. i would think that apple want's to "shock and awe" people to pick up the buying speed since low inventories for 6 weeks hurts revenue. and look at the effort to bring many many more countries and carriers to market.

modest stinks
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Apple stocks have soared in the last couple of months. If this phone comes out and the only change is that it's 3G, then they're going to drop again and hard. People are expected a real revision here.
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Apple stocks have soared in the last couple of months. If this phone comes out and the only change is that it's 3G, then they're going to drop again and hard. People are expected a real revision here.

You must be new here... AAPL will drop no matter what they announce. The rumors will always go nuts and the reality will always be met with Paul Thurott and Rob Enderle hopping on their forums and discussing why Apple will fail.
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google news, gizmodo says v2 iphone comes june 9th, but states that the fcc hasn't "approved" it. hasn't this forum said that the fcc can keep the approval process "restricted" announcement? so it may have been requested by apple to hold any public notice till june 9th?? or maybe it goes to non-us carriers first .

The approval of a product is apparently the only part that is public. Everything from the independent certified lab testing, the FCC submission and review are all private. What we don't knowthough I am assuming at this pointis that a company can request that the FCC not public submit the approval until they are ready. This could mean that Apple has the FCC number available to them but can't sell in the States until the FCC publicly announces said approval. Either way, we'll see shortly and then can use the dates on the FCC website to ascertain more information.

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when piper says modest improvement--that sounds like they are preparing us for disappointment...modest means what exactly...the feature set isn't known to anyone right?

They don't know anything so they are using non-specific terms. Don't read much into that.

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if apple just makes it 3g without anything else that would really curb appeal...forcing me to wait till fall and early Christmas buying season.

That is your choice, but why? Nothing will be added by then. The price probably won't lower. You will just be without a device that you seemingly want for 6 months. Don't forget all the apps that are coming. The iPhone SDK is the true killer app.


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Apple stocks have soared in the last couple of months. If this phone comes out and the only change is that it's 3G, then they're going to drop again and hard. People are expected a real revision here.

The current stock price is what it was at Xmas. You can consider this a correction from the previous market stumble earlier in the year. While I agree that some will cry foul if the HW aesthetics do not change I think the majority here will see the 20+ new countries, v2.0 software capabilities, and the 3G radio as much more fulfilling than a new look.

Personally, I hope the design stays the same for the next year so they can sell a new design a year after 3G debuts to stoke the fire of improving sales. The only change I want to see is a 3G radio, better integrated circuits, larger battery and at lest a 50% higher resolution screen. I'll take a thicker device for the battery an d a plastic back for better radio support too. But I may not get my way as a 3G radio may require too much to be changed up this time around.
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You must be new here... AAPL will drop no matter what they announce. The rumors will always go nuts and the reality will always be met with Paul Thurott and Rob Enderle hopping on their forums and discussing why Apple will fail.

It's called buy the rumor, sell the news. And Apple is far from the only stock that sees it. The smart investor doesn't let himself be buffeted by these "greater powers" and complain as if you could not see it coming.

The reason it happens is because stocks move on expectations. The market already has expectations for the new iPhone. Say 90% of participants expect it will have GPS, a 4 MP camera, 3G, and a thinner case. Another 10% expect all that, plus tethering capability, itunes over 3G and a price drop of $200. Say none of those latter things come to pass. The 10% who bid up Apple stock on those lofty expectations will sell, and the stock will fall back to where it would have been had they never bought in the first place.

Now, while people will bitch and moan when the stock drops, all that happened was that a few points were taken away that were never reasonably deserved in the first place. It's the poker player who complains about bad beats all day and forgets all the times he flopped a straight on the last card. The gains from 170 to 190 were based on expectations of a few that didn't happen. When that comes to pass, the stock goes back to 170. Waaaah!
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He pulled that figure out of his a**

Get real, that's hardly enough, and it was likely based in one location. I'd say a good 70% of potential European customers are waiting for the iPhone to be 3G. Most look at Edge and chuckle.

But 3600 is a pretty good sample size.
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But 3600 is a pretty good sample size.

Yeah, if the sampling was good (probably pretty debatable) 3600 is actually a very large sample size that would yield excellent estimates.

I don't know anything about the survey though. I'm kind of assuming it was just done in the US, so I certainly wouldn't take it to be useful outside the US market. One world-wide survey of 3600 is both impractical and unlikely to yield particularly meaningful results.
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http://www.electronista.com/articles....by.late.june/

this article confuses me says a complet HSPA network by june....then it says it will have 3g for nearly all its markets by the end of the year" so what about 3g coverage areas ?

and then that the iphone chip set is incomplete, limiting the advantage of the roll out---so which handsets can fully use this capability?
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He pulled that figure out of his a**

Get real, that's hardly enough, and it was likely based in one location. I'd say a good 70% of potential European customers are waiting for the iPhone to be 3G. Most look at Edge and chuckle.

and tell us again how many respondents in YOUR survey?

what was that about @55 ??
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Few talk about it here but, the iPhone v2 must have a higher resolution screen. With 3G, we will be using the Safari browser alot more and I am really tired of zooming in and out on my iPhone v1's screen of only 480x320 pixels. If the iPhone is truely to be the "internet in your pocket", then Apple must design the iPhone 3G with a screen resolution that supports viewing a full standard web page without zooming every paragraph! (this will also help the ipod video viewing as well).

Anybody care to suggest a proper iPhone 3G screen resolution?
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Few talk about it here but, the iPhone v2 must have a higher resolution screen. With 3G, we will be using the Safari browser alot more and I am really tired of zooming in and out on my iPhone v1's screen of only 480x320 pixels. If the iPhone is truely to be the "internet in your pocket", then Apple must design the iPhone 3G with a screen resolution that supports viewing a full standard web page without zooming every paragraph! (this will also help the ipod video viewing as well).

Anybody care to suggest a proper iPhone 3G screen resolution?

I think the next step might be 720x480, assuming it's available.
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I think the next step might be 720x480, assuming it's available.

At least VGA would be nice. Higher end phones are starting to come with better resolution displays and the R&D for swapping to a new one is minimal. I will be severely disappointed if the ppi is not increased substantially, even if the rest of the case stays the same.
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At least VGA would be nice. Higher end phones are starting to come with better resolution displays and the R&D for swapping to a new one is minimal. I will be severely disappointed if the ppi is not increased substantially, even if the rest of the case stays the same.

I assumed a 1.5 aspect ratio (same as iPhone) with 480 rows. I think it's the most reasonable progression. I don't watch the components to know if there's anything like that.
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I assumed a 1.5 aspect ratio (same as iPhone) with 480 rows. I think it's the most reasonable progression. I don't watch the components to know if there's anything like that.

I am not sure either. Cost aside, I also don't know how much extra power is consumed by increasing the ppi. I don't need a device to have the most to win Spec Wars if the battery time is highly reduced while the visual benefit is nominal.
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Few talk about it here but, the iPhone v2 must have a higher resolution screen. With 3G, we will be using the Safari browser alot more and I am really tired of zooming in and out on my iPhone v1's screen of only 480x320 pixels. If the iPhone is truely to be the "internet in your pocket", then Apple must design the iPhone 3G with a screen resolution that supports viewing a full standard web page without zooming every paragraph! (this will also help the ipod video viewing as well).

Anybody care to suggest a proper iPhone 3G screen resolution?


A higher resolution screen will only make the words even smaller when the web page is in full view.
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A higher resolution screen will only make the words even smaller when the web page is in full view.

Take a look at the Nokia 810 or the Sony mylo Personal Communicator. These all have VGA or higher resolution screens on pocketable devices and they are still very readable. Please Apple I love your industrial designs, but the iPhone's current 320x480 pixel screen resolution can not be really called "the internet in your pocket".
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A higher resolution screen will only make the words even smaller when the web page is in full view.

Does it really? If it's fitting the page width (or column width) to the screen width, and that width is a certain number of points wide, then a higher resolution screen should make the text more readable before zooming.
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Take a look at the Nokia 810 or the Sony mylo Personal Communicator. These all have VGA or higher resolution screens on pocketable devices and they are still very readable. Please Apple I love your industrial designs, but the iPhone's current 320x480 pixel screen resolution can not be really called "the internet in your pocket".

The Sony Mylo that you are referring was released only 4 months ago at CES. It now has a 3.5" 800x480 TFT touchscreen. The first Mylo had a 2.4" 320x240 non-touchscreen display and was released just 9 months before the iPhone launched.

The Nokia N810 is has a 4.1" 800x480 display. Nokia has been using this screen size and resolution on these internet only devices for years. They are not cell phones. The Mylo a higher ppi, but it's a newer device and so one would expect that. I would like a higher resoltuion but to say that you can't call it "the internet in your pocket" because it doesn't have the highest resolution is not a good argument.

Was there a cellphone with a higher ppi display prior to the iPhone's announcement?

BTW, i expect the iPhone to have at least a 640x480 display, but would bet on it having the same one as the Mylo.


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Does it really? If it's fitting the page width (or column width) to the screen width, and that width is a certain number of points wide, then a higher resolution screen should make the text more readable before zooming.

I agree.
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With customers like you they don't have to do much to see their products.

I simply have no use for a camera on a cellphone so I do not care what they do to it. But I would like to see less complaints about such a peripheric feature.
(I normally do carry with me a Ricoh GRD II with me, it does decent pictures at base ISO, call me back when cellphone cameras have reached the same quality level.)
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Does it really? If it's fitting the page width (or column width) to the screen width, and that width is a certain number of points wide, then a higher resolution screen should make the text more readable before zooming.

Right that true. The web page is already much smaller on the phone than its native resolution. So its resolution won't grow any smaller.
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Yes, because a survey of 3,600 people is less accurate than the opinion of some anonymous internet poster making up percentages.

You bet ya. This was a US survey, I'm sure of that.
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and tell us again how many respondents in YOUR survey?

what was that about @55 ??

Fair point Mr. negativity. When most Europeans heard the iPhone was Edge it was pretty much a "yeah right". Where are you from Walt?
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I decided to get out and go see the new Indiana Jones film debuting at midnight. I arrived a little early as one needs to on nights like this to obtain a good seat. There were only 20 people in the theater when I walked in. Including me there are 6 people with iPhones out and actively using them. That is 30% in one glance. Perhaps this is a fluke or that late night movies in the middle of the week draw a certain demographic. Regardless, I then noticed that the other 14 were not using phones in any way. I think that is quite telling of the usefulness the iPhone has other phones.
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
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