Originally Posted by addabox
Here's the text of Obama's remarks in SF, since we seem to be accepting Nick's typically skewed world view as a reasonable basis for further discussion:
Dude, you are totally right. That whole "bitter" thing was just an insanely retarded meme I am pushing. No one in the media has written about it, responded to it, discussed it or given it any time. It is just me out there pushing it against the world which has ignored it.
I also made up the part about it being a fundraiser as well.
Now in Nick's world, this apparently amounts to "bashing" decent normal folk for the amusement of elitist San Francisco buddies. From the way trumpt carries on, you might have thought there was course laughter in the room as Obama tried out his "coal miner" accent-- something he thought he could "get away with" because he "didn't realize he was being recorded."
Everyone here (except you apparently) understands the definition of a pejorative word or phrase. It isn't as if Bush or anyone on the right conjured negative words to describe those "Massachusetts values." They have turned the phrase itself into something negative.So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Pejorative phrase. I get it. You should get it. The media got it and harped on it for several news cycles. Oh wait... I just imagined that, strike that.
I also imagined the LAUGHTER
when it is suggested that these bitter people would vote for him.
Obama managed to take the Kansas book and turn it into a one sentence summary. I would marvel at his articulate manner, but then I would be accused of being a racist.
Moreover, I'm supposed to accept as fact that putting forth the idea that that working people might feel betrayed by repeated empty promises from government, to the point that they would vote cultural issues before economic, is a savage insult not materially different from the typical Republican tone of evoking "liberals" as if they were a disease. Oh, but it is different because Obama is Jesus (according to Nick, because he never met a crude straw man he didn't want to make out with), and Jesus has no business "bashing" people he expects to vote for him. As opposed to the refreshingly honest right, who have decided that the üntermenschen are of no use to them and are therefore free to eviscerate in any way they please without triggering Nick's finally honed sense of outrage.
Yeah, I tried running that through my online Addabox translator. It came out just as unintelligible.
You don't have to take it from me that the working/small town people feel insulted when you attribute their voting motivations to something other than their own desires and best interests. You can just watch the candidates you support continue to lose their votes. You can read or perhaps even write the sequel to the Kansas book, what is the matter with Pennsylvania, West Virginia, the South, etc.
You may not like the label liberal or may like it but not like how others use it as a pejorative. Either way I don't see anyone claiming you don't understand why you are voting the way you are and that you are deluded, bitter, misinformed, or some other negative characterization in voting as you desire.
Why is it so hard to believe that people can know everything you know and still come to a different conclusion about the solution they want? Are you really that high and mighty? Is your own intellect truly that infallible?
Perhaps you understand why the elitism tag comes into play because you and those who share your views, keep putting down those who disagree with you instead of simply respect their choices and solutions. You find it impossible to disagree though. Those who do are simply mentally ill, maladjusted or some other nonsense. Something is WRONG with them.
From there it looks like we're going to head into the weeds of liberal fascism again, but let's leave that for now, since I can only keep so much irony in head at one time before becoming physically ill.
Of course it leads to fascism. I mean these people are not lucid in their thinking. They are deluded since they have been waiting for jobs to reappear that aren't going to come back. They are "bitter" about teh Change that must occur. If I can just get enough of your dollars and votes, we can for these people to get past what is WRONG with them whether they want it or not.
Obama wasn't "bashing" anyone, and using his SF remarks as an exemplar of how the left hates on regular folk (much like the right hates on liberals, but different since the left is always whoring around for votes) is contemptibly stupid. Utterly predictable, but stupid none-the-less.
The right CAN hate on the left. The right can say "We don't want those San Francisco values in our home state." What they do not say is that those people in San Francisco really don't hold those values. They do not think the people in San Francisco have been fed a pack of lies, have given up hope from empty promises and are deluded in pursing the path they are on and voting as they do.
At worst, Obama is guilty of being mildly patronizing, in one sentence of some pretty thoughtful remarks on the topic of why lower class whites would be motivated to vote for him, and explicitly in the context of looking past the simplistic idea that he's "the black guy."
I'll give you a hint. If you share the values of the person doing the patronizing, it might come across as mild. If you are the party being discussed and he is giving you the talking points so that you will be able to help the other people get past their bitterness and delusions, it isn't mildly patronizing, it is insulting.
In my next post, I'll be discussing the talking points you can use to help the Addaboxes of the world get past their limited worldview. He feels so betrayed by Republicans that when he hears a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about the individual, then a part of him just doesnt buy it. And when its delivered by its true that when its delivered by a 38 (Happy Birthday to me)-year-old white man with the handle of Trumptman, then that adds another layer of skepticism.
But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get Addabox persuaded that we can make progress when theres not evidence of that in his daily life.
See Adda... it isn't your fault. Your eyes and ears just didn't see or hear the right things. However with my magical talking points, I will cure you of your delusions and bitterness. Then you can actually vote for your self-interest as opposed to voting based secondary concerns. Secondary concerns being defined as whatever it is I ascribe to you not voting the way I want you to vote.
It's as if the "liberal elitist hate normal people" meme is so hardwired into some people's thinking, at this point, that it would be literally impossible for any Democratic candidate to say anything without that robotic response.
Spittle... short circuiting robotic response... fatal error...
Look at the case at hand: after many months of a grueling primary fight, the best the right can come up with devolves to pretty much a single word--"bitter"-- yet that is enough to inspire these lengthy flights of fancy regarding "the left's" deep seated animosity towards "normal people."
Get Walmart out of here. I'm not going to stay home, bake cookies and stand by my man. The car you drive makes the world hate you and you are killing the planet. How dare you turn that air conditioner! Don't watch the Super Bowl because it will make you beat your wife. etc...etc....
Really, at this point, fuck 'em. Fuck you thin skinned whiney ass titty babies that can't walk two feet without being mortally outraged by some perceived slight, all the while belly aching loudly about the "liberal culture of victimization."
Don't hold back... how do you really feel?
The Republican Party is about to burn to the ground, is indeed already well ablaze, and it can thank, in part, the reflexive use of Rovian bullshit as the answer to all questions. They've been telling the country that "liberals" are the source of every ill for a long time now, but here's a problem-- when "the liberals" seem to have the positions that the majority of the people agree with, that suddenly becomes "we think America is the problem." The Republican Party, if we are to take it at its word, thinks the majority of Americans are traitorous fucks, even while they continue to transparently pander to those same treasonous fucks on specious "values."
A lot of Republicans have stopped being Republican. They care more about their earmarks than their country. Good Republicans won't vote for those types or will stay home if that is the only choice. The party might get smaller but better. I can remember Democrats praying for the same thing not too long ago.
Meanwhile, if you keep telling voters that someone like Obama is a snickering fop who hates your God and your sacrifice, and then they get a look at the guy, they may start to wonder what else you're lying about.
I don't have to speak for Obama. He sticks his own foot in his own mouth just fine.
Yes, there are areas of the country where "bittergate" and "elitist" still play. But those areas are shrinking, I would say in part because "bittergate" and "elitist" are all the party has to offer, anymore. In a time of economic decline and a need for actual leadership voters may look past convenient demagoguery and listen to what each candidate is actually likely to do.
At that point: Republicans lose.
Republicans probably will lose and since they haven't limited spending, haven't met an earmark they don't like, and care more about keeping power than keeping principles, I'll not shed a tear. Republicans can and probably will have lost their way but that doesn't mean Democrats have found their way or that their solution will be correct in a vacuum.
Oh, right, standard Nick disclaimer: all of the above was typed in a state of apoplectic rage, my screen is awash in spittle, etc.
Don't be so bitter.