Originally Posted by TenoBell
Exactly what evidence shows the Euros did not want it?
LOL... you're still
in denial over this? Wow.
Let's see... missed sales goals, the comments of about a zillion Euro users, the existing feature sets of high-end phones already popular in Europe, etc. etc. You know, all the common sense things. Even AI routinely reports in their articles that Euro sales have been lackluster.
So, thank God the 3G iPhone finally came out today, so Apple can start to turn the situation around. Booyah!
Apple understands that they needed to up their game here to do well in Europe, apparently they were less in denial than some.
I said revenue and profit.
And provided absolutely NO profit numbers to back your claim up. Which is why you were ignored on that.
I don't understand your comparison of Nokia, Microsoft, and Apple. All three of these companies are making a lot of money.
Re-read it then. It's pretty clear to most any reasonable person, and simply goes along with your own "revenues uber alles" logic... which was kinda the point.
The deal still has some hurdles to clear. But if all goes well with no problems this may happen in the future, but is not the case right now.
It's pretty close to a done deal... it's unlikely the Feds will deny it, they'll simply require divestitures in certain markets. And it doesn't change my point, which you don't seem to want to respond to.
The wireless industry is not the only with metrics that measure how well a business is run. For any industry marketshare, ARPU, churn, customer service are all measurements of a companies operations and its ability to make money. But they are not really as important as the final revenue/profit number themselves.
I stand corrected then. You not only don't have a great grasp of the wireless industry, but all industries in general.
Is Wallstreet going to punish AT&T for ARPU and churn alone. No, not as long as AT&T continues to make money.
Sigh. First off, its hard to determine how much Wall Street is/is not 'punishing' ATT Mobility alone, since the stock traded is that of the overall company, of which ATT Mobility's revenues are only a part. Secondly, how would you know how Wall Street views the wireless sector, considering that you have to have the most basic wireless industry metrics explained to you?
Accusations of fanboism actually lowers the quality of our dialog.
The very consistent reality of your own unchecked fanboism has already lowered the quality of our dialog many times over. Sad to say, your main contribution in nearly all cases has been a summation of the party line.
Not saying it isn't valuable (sort of), but it would be nice to see you thinking outside of that particular box more often.
"The iPhone has poor sales in Europe because it did not meet carrier sales projections."
"While not a run away success, Euro iPhone sales have increased new subscriptions for its carriers and added hundreds of millions in new revenue for Apple. Everyone seems mostly satisfied. Because the iPhone is making them money."
Not exactly. More like, you said:
"I deny that iPhone sales are poor."
*was presented evidence to the contrary*
"Well, okay, but those aren't OFFICIAL numbers!"
*was presented with official numbers*
*Well, okay, but that's just November/Decembers! Things will turn AROUND!"
*things don't turn around*
"Well, okay, but sales in Europe are actually GREAT because there's tons of unlocked iPhones being sold in Europe!"
*no one seems to think that makes Europe sales good*
"Well, okay, but it doesn't matter that Europe sales aren't good because Apple's MAKING A PROFIT on the iPhone in Europe."
*Teno's asked for official iPhone profit numbers in Europe. Can't provide any, other than some odd personal math/guesstimate*
... and so on, and so on, and so on....
"Verizon has better business operations than AT&T, that makes Verizon a better company."
"True Verizon has outperformed AT&T in some business operations, both companies have had a huge growth in subscriptions and profits, because Verizon charges more both are essentially tied in revenue/profits."
Similarity in revenue in no way, shape, or form, changes the fact that Verizon is run better day-to-day, something even past ATT CEOs acknowledge. 'Huge growth' isn't that hard to come by with millions fleeing Sprint-Nextel... and even so, ATT has had a hard time on the postpaid side of the ledger. And actually, on many things, VZW and ATT charge the same.
Both Mel and Solip have in one way or another stated the same as I've said. How is my position a press release for Apple or AT&T?
It would be quite a twisting of Mel and Solip's positions to call them the same as yours. And, unlike yourself, neither Mel nor Solip consistently deny reality. This is why their viewpoints are valuable.