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Future Listing of Intel Chipsets:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...icroprocessors

That's processors, not chipsets.
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All you're going to get is rumors. Apple never announces roadmaps for product updates but you can bet on that they will follow what Intel does. That has been true since the switch. Next announcement is on June 9th.

/Mikael

Thanks for the reply, but what I wanted was personal opinions on how such a setback would affect Apple's product releases. So basically... What do you think will happen next.

While were on that topic though, what do you think this setback will do for other computer manufacturers.

Sorry if I seem a bit rude with all these questions... I just wanted to know what you all thought about these mess of questions.
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This sucks.

However, I don't really believe they need to wait for a small speed bump.
Just whack in an LCD screen, some more memory, a case re-design and release already.

Yes exactly! I want to pick up a new macbook by end of june the latest. I don't want to wait around for going from 2.2 to 2.4, when everything else in the computer is already what I would want.
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Why does everyone want a case redesign? The only thing I would want to do is an easier to get to hard disk, (granted, I've gotten good enough I can swap a drive out in 20 minutes.) I like their current case design. I've always liked this case design.

Hop on the apple support forums and take a look at all the cracked plastic cases on the current macbooks and then ask why there needs to be a case design.
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post #45 of 89
I bet we will an announcement @ WWDC with availablity in August.
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I bet we will an announcement @ WWDC with availablity in August.

well, it didn't happen. now i dont know what to do. a few years ago, i bought an iBook g4 right before the introduction of the macbook. I dont want that to happen again. how plausible is this rumor? will it be a big revamp?

god, this is annoying.
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well, it didn't happen. now i dont know what to do. a few years ago, i bought an iBook g4 right before the introduction of the macbook. I dont want that to happen again. how plausible is this rumor? will it be a big revamp?

god, this is annoying.


Well your right about that! A lot of iPhone in that WWDC. Got me kinda bored. I still will not be surprised if we see a new MacBook in August to get that nice shiny iPod Touch for free with it. I am waiting! The iPod Touch promo ends in September so I am going to wait as long as I can to still that deal!
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Yeah, I really have no idea what to do now. I need a new laptop in august for medical school and I want to switch over from pc to mac, so I was trying to hold out because of the update rumors. Now besides still not knowing whether to get a regular macbook or macbook pro, I still don't know if I should wait or not
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well, it didn't happen. now i dont know what to do. a few years ago, i bought an iBook g4 right before the introduction of the macbook. I dont want that to happen again. how plausible is this rumor? will it be a big revamp?

god, this is annoying.

I've been waiting about 6 months for the Mac mini to be updated. I also don't want to buy one only to have it updated a week or a couple months later.
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Yeah, I really have no idea what to do now. I need a new laptop in august for medical school and I want to switch over from pc to mac, so I was trying to hold out because of the update rumors. Now besides still not knowing whether to get a regular macbook or macbook pro, I still don't know if I should wait or not

If you need a new laptop, then buy a new laptop.
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I command AppleInsider for allowing people to spread rumors of the MacBook's release!


You hear me? COMMAND YOU! Do your job, Admin!

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Do you guys think that the MB and MBP will be released before they end the free iPod touch giveaways for students?


TELL ME NOW
post #52 of 89
I'm not sure whether this is significant or not, but there's currently an interesting difference between the US and UK online Apple Stores in their Clearance Items section:

US Store - Select "Clearance" (found at the bottom-left hand side of the page). In the Special Deals header, there's text that reads: "Discount prices on new items from Apple and other manufacturers."

UK Store - Select "Refurbished Mac" (found at the bottom-right hand side of the page), then select "Clearance Items". In the Special Deals header, there's text that reads: "Great deals on previous generation, unopened MacBook & MacBook Pro. While stocks last." (At the time I looked there was nothing listed.)

However the equivalent text on the UK "Special Deals" index page (accessed by clicking the 'Save' ticket on the UK Store home page) reads the same as the US store except with the addition of the word 'unopened' - make of that what you will!

Of course a possible reason why there was so much iPhone talk in Steve Jobs' WWDC speech could relate to the fact that there was originally meant to be a laptop-related announcement but it had to be postponed.
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I'm not sure whether this is significant or not, but there's currently an interesting difference between the US and UK online Apple Stores in their Clearance Items section:

US Store - Select "Clearance" (found at the bottom-left hand side of the page). In the Special Deals header, there's text that reads: "Discount prices on new items from Apple and other manufacturers."

UK Store - Select "Refurbished Mac" (found at the bottom-right hand side of the page), then select "Clearance Items". In the Special Deals header, there's text that reads: "Great deals on previous generation, unopened MacBook & MacBook Pro. While stocks last." (At the time I looked there was nothing listed.)

However the equivalent text on the UK "Special Deals" index page (accessed by clicking the 'Save' ticket on the UK Store home page) reads the same as the US store except with the addition of the word 'unopened' - make of that what you will!

Of course a possible reason why there was so much iPhone talk in Steve Jobs' WWDC speech could relate to the fact that there was originally meant to be a laptop-related announcement but it had to be postponed.


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post #54 of 89
To be honest, cases that are more scratch resistant would be enough for me, that and the macbook being aluminum and having black keys (like the MBA)
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post #55 of 89
im asking for one for my b-day, and thats on July 6th. im thinking that Ill just get the current one. the upgrade can't be THAT huge. the exterior redesign would be nice, but not necessary, and the chips would not be that much faster. not much more. and i have an iBook G4, so anything would seem fast to me.

does that make sense?
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im asking for one for my b-day, and thats on July 6th. im thinking that Ill just get the current one. the upgrade can't be THAT huge. the exterior redesign would be nice, but not necessary, and the chips would not be that much faster. not much more. and i have an iBook G4, so anything would seem fast to me.

does that make sense?


the future macbook pro is going to see kinda the same speed bump as any overhaul. The big thing here is going to be the battery life, I think. Wait it out, Man.

I'm going through law school with this POS Vaio that's 4 years old with a 30min battery life for yet ANOTHER Semester just to have a sweet Mac in a couple months.

My biggest problem now is whether I'll get the free ipod touch if I wait....anyone know if that's possible? Will the itouch not be offered with the NEW macbook when it's released in early August?

It's being offered until Sept 15...so...yeah, right? It has to be. The itouch isn't just to get the old macs out of stock, it's to throw those itouches out there for the Application sales.

Either way, I guess. The new Macs are going to be sweeeeeeeet.

What about the future macbooks...if Mont. has a big of a battery bump as I hear, that's like 6-7 hour battery life!
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if Mont. has a big of a battery bump as I hear, that's like 6-7 hour battery life!

That's overly optimistic.
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post #58 of 89
I'm sitting, waiting patiently, for any news of the refreshed MB release date .

I need a new MB for school this fall and my last possible date for ordering is around Aug. 1 (need to have the computer up and running by start on Aug. 12).

If someone would start a rumor it would be much appreciated .
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I'm sitting, waiting patiently, for any news of the refreshed MB release date .

I need a new MB for school this fall and my last possible date for ordering is around Aug. 1 (need to have the computer up and running by start on Aug. 12).

If someone would start a rumor it would be much appreciated .

It took me no more than 3-4 hours to migrate from an older Mac, install new software, and calibrate the display. Why would you need that amount of time?
post #60 of 89
As someone hotly anticipating a new MacBook Pro, I note that Appleinsider seldom gets it completely wrong when it suggests something new is on the horizon. This thread follows such a story which reported that the next upgrades to the MBP and MB ranges would be significant ones. If AI suggests that the next revisions will be more than just a speed bump, then I think it is worth waiting to see what comes.

Obviously, the question is how long will the wait be? We know from Engadget and other sources that Dell, Sony, HP, Toshiba and Lenovo have all got new machines ready to roll for July's release of Intel's new Centrino 2 and that intel plans to put a bit of razzamatazz behind the launch. So it is fair to assume that Apple will probably want to release something around that time. It may not be July, but I would be surprised if nothing new had arrived by August / September.

My advice to anyone in the market for a new MBP is to wait until whatever the next release is. If it is a speed bump, at least you'll have the latest and greatest version of the current MBP. If it its a brand new machine, then the extra wait will have been worth it. Of course, if you need a machine now... buy now. The danger is, your new machine will almost certainly be replaced by something September. If that doesn't matter, just go for it.

If I were Apple, I'd use the college buying season to move all existing inventory before introducing any new machines. I'd also want to wait a bit after that to avoid annoying too many people with a new model immediately after they've bought an existing one. That suggests a late August / early September timeline for new machines.
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It took me no more than 3-4 hours to migrate from an older Mac, install new software, and calibrate the display. Why would you need that amount of time?

Well, true, I don't need 11 days. Aug. 1 is approximate, but I need to order it through the education site and give it time to arrive, and then migrate my data from a work computer. If I thought I could place my order any time in early Aug. and receive the new computer before Aug. 11 I'd wait and do that.

Hopefully by then there will either be an official announcement or a credible rumor so that I can either place an order for a new computer, or order a current MB with the peace of mind that the new models would have been too late in coming.

I love my current Blackbook, but I'm returning to school full time, and the new computer will see much more abuse from being carried around than my current computer, and it's showing significant case wear after a year and a half. I'm also guessing that when I'm in school I'll be running off the battery more often and I'm hoping the new models will have LED backlighting to improve battery performance.
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Well, true, I don't need 11 days. Aug. 1 is approximate, but I need to order it through the education site and give it time to arrive, and then migrate my data from a work computer. If I thought I could place my order any time in early Aug. and receive the new computer before Aug. 11 I'd wait and do that.

Hopefully by then there will either be an official announcement or a credible rumor so that I can either place an order for a new computer, or order a current MB with the peace of mind that the new models would have been too late in coming.

I love my current Blackbook, but I'm returning to school full time, and the new computer will see much more abuse from being carried around than my current computer, and it's showing significant case wear after a year and a half. I'm also guessing that when I'm in school I'll be running off the battery more often and I'm hoping the new models will have LED backlighting to improve battery performance.

You can order for overnight delivery, if you choose to. Shipping options are up to the buyer. Not that I think you should necessarily cut it that close. I suppose it all depends on how long you are willing to wait for an updated machine.
post #63 of 89
Dell has updated their laptop line for the season and the update looks reasonably good.

The 15" is $799. Apple's going to find it hard to match that. (The problem with these, as always, is Vista.)
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Dell has updated their laptop line for the season and the update looks reasonably good.

The 15" is $799. Apple's going to find it hard to match that. (The problem with these, as always, is Vista.)

Do you really think that the new Dell model is comparable to Apples models? If so, then you should buy it!
post #65 of 89
With the exception of the operating system, of course they're comparable.

Macs have moved to Intel chips now - or have you been living under a rock for three years?
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post #66 of 89
Their is more to a machine than the CPU.

Try the OS and the way the mother board and the case are put together
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With the exception of the operating system, of course they're comparable.

Macs have moved to Intel chips now - or have you been living under a rock for three years?

Have you called Jenny.............er.........I mean have you bought that GREAT Dell yet? If you think that it compares to Apples models just because they both use Intel chips, then it's you that's been living under a rock!
post #68 of 89
I don't need to be lectured on Apple products by some wanna-be-fanboy who joined AI two months ago.

If you knew anything about Apple, you would know that Jobs has often used Dell laptop comparisons in his keynotes. Dell is usually the closest mirror to Apple in the PC market, because of their direct sales approach.

Pointing out that Dell has refreshed for the 2008-09 Education season is simply another indicator that the MacBook refresh will be coming soon.

And while Apple may not accept slim margins the way Dell does, they have to keep the spread close. So a $799. price point for Dell is good news, even for Mac value shoppers.

Get over yourself already. The downside to the iPod/iPhone largesse is the calibre of fans that have jumped ship from the PC side.
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I don't need to be lectured on Apple products by some wanna-be-fanboy who joined AI two months ago.

If you knew anything about Apple, you would know that Jobs has often used Dell laptop comparisons in his keynotes. Dell is usually the closest mirror to Apple in the PC market, because of their direct sales approach.

Pointing out that Dell has refreshed for the 2008-09 Education season is simply another indicator that the MacBook refresh will be coming soon.

And while Apple may not accept slim margins the way Dell does, they have to keep the spread close. So a $799. price point for Dell is good news, even for Mac value shoppers.

Get over yourself already. The downside to the iPod/iPhone largesse is the calibre of fans that have jumped ship from the PC side.

Your ignorance let's you make stupid remarks. Do you really think that my entire life, and/or Apple experience started when I joined this august body?

I have a birthday in a couple of months, and I'll be 69, so I've been around lot longer than you might think there, Ace. Here's a clue for you, Doomsday, Apple is bigger than Dell, Apple has more money than Dell, Dell WISHES that it was Apple!

Chance are, I've got shoes older than you.
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I like the new Dell Studio line a lot, having worked with an XPS 1330, they are such a nice design, though the 1330 had touch sensitive controls. and I do wish Apple would come with a cheaper 15 inch laptop at some point (sorry, not everyone wants/needs to spend $2000 for one), and the 13 inch MB is a wee bit small for me.
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Your ignorance let's you make stupid remarks. Do you really think that my entire life, and/or Apple experience started when I joined this august body?

I have a birthday in a couple of months, and I'll be 69, so I've been around lot longer than you might think there, Ace. Here's a clue for you, Doomsday, Apple is bigger than Dell, Apple has more money than Dell, Dell WISHES that it was Apple!

Chance are, I've got shoes older than you.

And your maturity level reflects your age.

For $799, Dell will sell you a DVD burner, something you can't get in a Macbook for less than $1299. Why? Why does Apple cripple their cheaper products like that? And at $1299, the Dell has a real discrete graphics chip and double the hard drive space of the Macbook. It's no wonder most consumers don't even consider the Mac, most of them are looking for the best deal and Apple refuses to compete on that front.

They should.
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I do wish Apple would come with a cheaper 15 inch laptop at some point (sorry, not everyone wants/needs to spend $2000 for one), and the 13 inch MB is a wee bit small for me.

Agree 100%

I went onto Dell's site to do a comparison of their new studio line vs. the MacBook Pro. I tried to get it as close I could for specs.

Intel Core 2 Duo T9300 (2.5GHz/800MHz FSB/6MB cache)
Windows Vista Ultimate Edition SP1
15.4-inch LED-backlit 1440x900 display
256MB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3450
3GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2
250GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
8x Slot Load CD/DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive)
802.11n wireless
Built-in Verizon Wireless cellular mobile broadband
Built-in Internal Bluetooth
56W/hr Lithium Ion Battery
Integrated Fingerprint Reader
Integrated 2.0M Pixel Webcam
Backlit Keyboard

McAfee Security 15-mo w/Annual Auto-Renew Fee of $79
Microsoft Works
1-year In-Home Service, Parts and Labor 24x7 Phone Support
Included 3 GB DataSafe Online backup for 1 year
6 Months free Earthlink Internet Access

Starting Price $1,893
Instant Savings $224
Subtotal $1,669

Apple should drop the price on their 15-inch MacBook Pro by $200. On their 17-inch MacBook Pro by $800.
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And your maturity level reflects your age.

For $799, Dell will sell you a DVD burner, something you can't get in a Macbook for less than $1299. Why? Why does Apple cripple their cheaper products like that? And at $1299, the Dell has a real discrete graphics chip and double the hard drive space of the Macbook. It's no wonder most consumers don't even consider the Mac, most of them are looking for the best deal and Apple refuses to compete on that front.

They should.

Apple is hugely successful, "they should" do exactly what they are doing. You don't like it because they aren't doing what YOU want them to do. I'm glad that you have no say in how they do things.
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Agree 100%

I went onto Dell's site to do a comparison of their new studio line vs. the MacBook Pro. I tried to get it as close I could for specs.

Intel Core 2 Duo T9300 (2.5GHz/800MHz FSB/6MB cache)
Windows Vista Ultimate Edition SP1
15.4-inch LED-backlit 1440x900 display
256MB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3450
3GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2
250GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
8x Slot Load CD/DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive)
802.11n wireless
Built-in Verizon Wireless cellular mobile broadband
Built-in Internal Bluetooth
56W/hr Lithium Ion Battery
Integrated Fingerprint Reader
Integrated 2.0M Pixel Webcam
Backlit Keyboard

McAfee Security 15-mo w/Annual Auto-Renew Fee of $79
Microsoft Works
1-year In-Home Service, Parts and Labor 24x7 Phone Support
Included 3 GB DataSafe Online backup for 1 year
6 Months free Earthlink Internet Access

Starting Price $1,893
Instant Savings $224
Subtotal $1,669

Apple should drop the price on their 15-inch MacBook Pro by $200. On their 17-inch MacBook Pro by $800.

Why don't you send a letter to Jobs , pointing out his obvious lack of understanding about how to run Apple?
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Agree 100%

I went onto Dell's site to do a comparison of their new studio line vs. the MacBook Pro. I tried to get it as close I could for specs.

Intel Core 2 Duo T9300 (2.5GHz/800MHz FSB/6MB cache)
Windows Vista Ultimate Edition SP1
15.4-inch LED-backlit 1440x900 display
256MB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3450
3GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2
250GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
8x Slot Load CD/DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive)
802.11n wireless
Built-in Verizon Wireless cellular mobile broadband
Built-in Internal Bluetooth
56W/hr Lithium Ion Battery
Integrated Fingerprint Reader
Integrated 2.0M Pixel Webcam
Backlit Keyboard

McAfee Security 15-mo w/Annual Auto-Renew Fee of $79
Microsoft Works
1-year In-Home Service, Parts and Labor 24x7 Phone Support
Included 3 GB DataSafe Online backup for 1 year
6 Months free Earthlink Internet Access

Starting Price $1,893
Instant Savings $224
Subtotal $1,669

Apple should drop the price on their 15-inch MacBook Pro by $200. On their 17-inch MacBook Pro by $800.

Without itemizing the included software, this comparison really isn't nearly as useful as it needs to be to make an educated decision.
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Apple is hugely successful, "they should" do exactly what they are doing. You don't like it because they aren't doing what YOU want them to do. I'm glad that you have no say in how they do things.

They're making money, but they have the potential of making more money...

Apple has gotten lucky that Vista got the bad press it did, but in terms of their computer designs and included features, they're resting on their laurels a bit too heavily. They're going to have to do a refresh this summer, as the 8600 in the MBP is getting old, and the MB needs multitouch. Bumping the included RAM and adding a DVD burner on all models won't kill them.

Even releasing an xMac won't kill them, it would help to round out their portfolio, and get the PC users that want an expandable Mac to look. Wasn't that ago, Apple sold a $1500 mid-tower.

I run Vista and Linux too, and really, the more advanced the OS' become, the more similar they become. Seriously, if people spend most of their time in a web browser, it really doesn't matter what OS they use. Checking e-mail, looking at photos, audio and video, they're all basically the same anymore...it's only when you get into specialized apps, that I begin to see advantages between the 3.
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Apple is hugely successful, "they should" do exactly what they are doing. You don't like it because they aren't doing what YOU want them to do. I'm glad that you have no say in how they do things.

Apple is hugely successful because they are a music and digital audio company, because they have the best store and the best players on that front. Their success has had nothing to do with computers since the '80s. And that's Apple's fault, because they just aren't competitive on the low-end where all the business is.
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Apple is hugely successful because they are a music and digital audio company, because they have the best store and the best players on that front. Their success has had nothing to do with computers since the '80s. And that's Apple's fault, because they just aren't competitive on the low-end where all the business is.

They may sell more units at the low end, but the profit is not their. When you add in the support costs and the stocking costs it is not a good business model.

The idea is not to sell the most computers but the most computers at a company sustaining profit.
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They may sell more units at the low end, but the profit is not their. When you add in the support costs and the stocking costs it is not a good business model.

The idea is not to sell the most computers but the most computers at a company sustaining profit.

Yes, the low-end is subsidized by the high-end. The idea is to introduce new customers to your product, some of whom will go on to buy more. That's something the Mac mini has done a shockingly good job of, considering what a weak computer it is. But the world is moving away from desktops to notebooks, and for $1100, the Macbook frankly sucks. On that front, Apple needs to either improve the specs or lower the price.

And if Apple was depending on computer profits alone, it would be a very different company.
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Yes, the low-end is subsidized by the high-end. The idea is to introduce new customers to your product, some of whom will go on to buy more. That's something the Mac mini has done a shockingly good job of, considering what a weak computer it is. But the world is moving away from desktops to notebooks, and for $1100, the Macbook frankly sucks. On that front, Apple needs to either improve the specs or lower the price.

And if Apple was depending on computer profits alone, it would be a very different company.

But, you notice that the mac mini is not at the bottom of the price scale for computers of that type.
What you are asking for is apple to match Dells pricing. Apple will not do that, and they shouldn't. Should they have what we call a xMac about $1500 I agree especially with the economic situation the USA finds itself in. The bottom is at least 6-18 months away.
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