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The first public showing of Microsoft's next major Windows update reveals an operating system with a familiar-looking dock and a more than slight emphasis on multi-touch displays.

Demonstrated at the Wall Street Journal's D6 Conference, Windows 7 is described by observers from the newspaper as having a touch interface recognizable to "anyone who’s ever used an iPhone."

Similar to what was demonstrated a year ago with the Surface table -- as well as applications preloaded on the iPhone -- the operating system will let users zoom into and rotate photos or maps using natural finger-based gestures, including pinching and flicking. Users can also draw multiple points at once a new version of Paint.

There will also be hooks for multi-touch throughout the entire Windows interface, Microsoft's Julie Larson-Green has said while demonstrating the technology, although none of these have been demonstrated at this early stage. The software is being built with multiple simultaneous users in mind now that touchscreens and other peripherals free users from being tied to a keyboard.

"In the next few years, the roles of speech, gesture, vision, ink, all of those will become huge," adds Microsoft chairman Bill Gates.



The technology to implement the feature outside of the multi-thousand-dollar Surface is already getting close, according to Larson-Green. An example Dell Latitude XT modified to recognize multiple inputs can already perform some of the functions with reasonable accuracy, while a larger desktop LCD smaller than the Surface is closer to Microsoft's intended experience.

While such technologies are expected to ultimately filter into most computer technology over time, their appearance at D6 effectively begins a race between Apple and Microsoft to commercialize a fully multi-touch desktop operating system. Apple is the first of the two to put any multi-touch product into the market with 2007's iPhone, but the Mac maker has so far limited its computer support to an enhanced trackpad for certain MacBooks that has only a handful of uses in Finder as well as some built-in apps, such as iPhoto.

The Cupertino, Calif.-based firm has all the same taken early steps to develop and patent forms of multi-touch that would extend to a whole software platform, including pressure-sensitive screens as well as unique advanced multi-touch surfaces that would be used for typing in addition to gesture input. The iPhone by itself has over 200 associated patents, many of which relate to its multi-touch display.

Whichever of the two wins the contest for touch interfaces, Microsoft may also have to explain a more conventional similarity in Windows 7 when it arrives as soon as late 2009. The still very young operating system features a revamped, more colorful taskbar and the conspicuous addition of a Mac OS X-like dock for quickly managing apps.

"Multi-touch and a Dock. In Windows," comments the Journal's John Paczkowski. "Steve Jobs would be proud."
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hahaha very funny
i love how the lady kept on referring to the iphone, made me feel good knowing i own several apple products
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Anyone who would use anything Microsoft makes unless they absolutely, positively had to must be nuts, or, retired with too much time on their hands. I dream of the day when the two programs I need for my work become web based and I can finally take my copy of Windows out and put a bullet in its brain.

Mind you, I'm surprised the demo went off at all, I saw the demo on their speech recognition software, THAT was hilarious!
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When MS starts hyping a feature you know it's become passe.

The race to make a fully multi-touch desktop is absolutely absurd. Geez thanks
you've turned my computer into a Kiosk. I'm impressed.

Tell me why I would rather reach up and take two fingers and pinch or extend them to resize a picure when a mouse click in the area and a scroll of the mouse wheel could do the same thing with less effort?

Is this really what "innovation" has come to? You mean to tell me that the thousands of 1500+ SAT Comp Sci students over the years have put their thinking caps on for this?

Clearly MS has lost their minds and if Apple is trying to push the same absurdity they've lost theirs as well. Multi touch desktops are an anathema to ergonomic computing if you're talking about computing on a vertical surface. It's just a horrible idea.

Someone today with a rotator cuff injury could still compute. They certainly couldn't multi touch on a vertical screen without severe pain.

Multi touch is fine on a small portable device where you want to eschew a keyboard and mouse but makes absolutey NO sense on a deskop.

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For desktops, Apple's solution might be closer than anyone thinks. What's to stop Steve from unleashing a mult-touch "keyboard/screen" onto the public within the next year? As a USB peripheral, people would just need to buy it and install the software update which enables the functionality.

MacPro's, iMac's, and Mini's would immediately be able to upgrade; while laptops would have to wait for a hardware revision which would essentially see two screens instead of a screen and a keyboard.

I can't wait for this. Customized interfaces that suit every application.

Bring it on!
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When MS starts hyping a feature you know it's become passe.

The race to make a fully multi-touch desktop is absolutely absurd. Geez thanks
you've turned my computer into a Kiosk. I'm impressed.

Tell me why I would rather reach up and take two fingers and pinch or extend them to resize a picure when a mouse click in the area and a scroll of the mouse wheel could do the same thing with less effort?

Is this really what "innovation" has come to? You mean to tell me that the thousands of 1500+ SAT Comp Sci students over the years have put their thinking caps on for this?

Clearly MS has lost their minds and if Apple is trying to push the same absurdity they've lost theirs as well. Multi touch desktops are an anathema to ergonomic computing if you're talking about computing on a vertical surface. It's just a horrible idea.

Someone today with a rotator cuff injury could still compute. They certainly couldn't multi touch on a vertical screen without severe pain.

Multi touch is fine on a small portable device where you want to eschew a keyboard and mouse but makes absolutey NO sense on a deskop.

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You make some nice points, but in all fairness the lady who demoed the multi-touch features did mention that it would complement the traditional input methods, ie. mouse and keyboard.

How about a touch pad to use for multi-touch input? I do think Apple will use mt as an input method on all its computers in some fashion. I also believe they will do it differently than MS and hopefully better and more thought out.

I can't wait to see 10.6.
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Begun the Touch Wars have between Microsoft and Apple. Survive only one will.
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I don't think Apple cares if Microsoft is the first to the table with touch screen PC's because Apple already has the iPhone, which is OS X.

Most of the public is not ready for a multi-touch Windows 7 PC. It may be built in, but most people won't use it except on small devices.

Who gives a flying fu** about Bill's multi-touch extravaganza. Just get the damn OS into the modern ages and working right. No, wait.... they put MinWin off until 2013. The world will have to stick with Vista and Vista 2 until then.
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You make some nice points, but in all fairness the lady who demoed the multi-touch features did mention that it would complement the traditional input methods, ie. mouse and keyboard.

How about a touch pad to use for multi-touch input? I do think Apple will use mt as an input method on all its computers in some fashion. I also believe they will do it differently than MS and hopefully better and more thought out.

I can't wait to see 10.6.

I just wonder aloud "at what cost to consumers?"

Multi touch screens rank pretty low on my desirability scale but screens with a larger gamut of colors and higher PPI rank high.

Applications that are responsive under all situations rank highly with me. Applications that rotate and shuffle pictures around with my finger input do not.

This is attempting to recreate the wheel. I'm sure it'll complement current input methods but if multi touch is a game changer i'll gladly eat my words 5 years from now.
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Think the touch screen could be useful for artists in using digital sculpting programs like Zbrush. Seems like a solid alternate to buying one of those 2 grand wacom tablet. Other than that it, would take some convincing to purchase. Seems like reaching out to touch on the screen would require far more effort than just clicking and dragging with the old-fashioned mouse.
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The thing that I dislike most about Microsoft's solution is the apparent disconnect between the actual touches and what happens onscreen.

For example, on the iPhone, try enlarging an image. Your fingers will stay in about the same place in the image. If you started on a face and a hand, you will end on a face and a hand.

Everything I've seen from Microsoft seems to just use the gesture, not the locations. Look in the video at the enlarging images: the pictures grow disproportionately quickly.

I think that touch is best used for the direct manipulation of data. Redmond apparently disagrees.
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I'll have to agree with hmurchison here...the utility of multitouch for desktop is extremly low...even on custom apps that would make fascinating use of multitouch such as paint apps or photo organization apps, nobody in their right mind would have their hands on their desktop display for more than a few seconds before getting tired.

Multitouch works better on small surfaces. Microsoft is barking up the wrong tree with their multitouch ventures.

Two things wrong with what they demoed:

1. Both hands reaching a screen to zoom in on pictures and rotate them. As hmurchison has said, nobody's gonna prefer that method over the mouse because the effort involved is an order of magnitude greater.

2. The concept of the demo itself is flawed considering spatial handling organization of pictures is absolutely the last thing on anyone's mind. People prefer apps like Picassa, iPhoto, Aperture, etc. because they take care of the organization for the user. We're moving *away* from spatial organization. Computers are here to solve spatial problems that we're confronted with in the real world. Bad demo...MS could have picked something that made more sense to show off the multitouch feature.
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Windows 7... carrying on a long tradition of copying Apple.
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The XO-2, scheduled for 2010 is the best concept yet. Dual multi-touch displays that can be used as a keyboard too. You can open it like a book as well as an e book reader. Nice.

I think this is the direction Apple will head. Nov 2009 MacBook Pro with dual multi-touch displays and Mac OS X 10.6??

Apple will no longer need to produce a different computer with a different keyboard for each country too!

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This video was cringeworthy!! It was embarrassing for MS. All the lagging, a number of touches not responding to the girls finger, repeat mentioning of the iPhone, nothing in any way revolutionary. I almost couldn't watch it. Poor Bill, we feel for you. What in the heck was that keyboard on the screen? It looked like bloody 8bit graphics.
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The XO-2, scheduled for 2010 is the best concept yet. Dual multi-touch displays that can be used as a keyboard too. You can open it like a book as well as an e book reader. Nice.

I think this is the direction Apple will head. Nov 2009 MacBook Pro with dual multi-touch displays and Mac OS X 10.6??

Apple will no longer need to produce a different computer with a different keyboard for each country too!

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Dual screens eat twice the battery life. That is reason alone to forget about that idea. No, I think the tablet is where it's at. If done right it could take away some of the notebook market which will stay around for years to come.

I hate to keep on reminding people, but... shall we say, Mac touch FTW!

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For desktops, Apple's solution might be closer than anyone thinks. What's to stop Steve from unleashing a mult-touch "keyboard/screen" onto the public within the next year? As a USB peripheral, people would just need to buy it and install the software update which enables the functionality.

MacPro's, iMac's, and Mini's would immediately be able to upgrade; while laptops would have to wait for a hardware revision which would essentially see two screens instead of a screen and a keyboard.

I can't wait for this. Customized interfaces that suit every application.

Bring it on!

I think if any "computer" came out as a touch screen it would be redesigned kinda in the triangular shape of a keyboard only extended with a slight swoop upwards and outwards of the "monitor" with some nice "curve" appeal" (c'mon Jonathon Ives), but both pretty much laying flat on your desk. The keyboard would not have physical keys but like the multi-touch keyboard of the iPhone and the screen would have to be flat on the table, otherwise who wants to be raising their arms all the time to use their fingers to gesture the icons and such. So we get rid of the keyboard and mouse and have an iMac like all in one unit but not standing vertically upright as an iMac screen looks now but as if you took the iMac and laid it flat on top of you desk. Of course instead of carpal tunnel syndrome in your wrists you'd always have a crick in your neck from constantly looking down.

Anyone else out there have a design idea as to how to make a multi touch, touch screen computer/laptop? What would yours look like?

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Dual screens eat twice the battery life. That is reason alone to forget about that idea. No, I think the tablet is where it's at. If done right it could take away some of the notebook market which will stay around for years to come.

I hate to keep on reming people, but Mac touch FTW!


Um... what? the screen is no longer the main energy draw for a laptop. Not by a long shot. And the situation will get even better once OLED becomes affordable in the next few years. besides, two screens with total surface area X will not consume much more power than a single monitor with surface area X, so if this technology stays on smaller laptops (which seems to be the case) I don't see the energy requirements being absurd. Abandoning rotating hard drives and optical drives more than makes up for it in terms of battery life.

Mind you, I still think it's a terrible idea, but not for that reason.
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some of the comments in this discussion sound a lot like the comments 24 years ago about the mouse. The mouse never replaced the keyboard, but it sure did a heck of a job supplementing it and making computers both easier to use and more functional. Touch/multitouch has the potential to advance user interface in much the same way.

Forget the MS demo, which was awful (I love how when the reporters weren't saying "works like like an iPhone", they asked about the new mac style dock) and instead just look at the Mac and the iPhone.

Both have cover flow - it's a heck of a lot easier to use coverflow on the iPhone than on the Mac - i.e. you don't need to hit a scroll bar with a mouse to start moving through the list, you just flip through with your finger. And after nearly a year of using an iPhone, I have yet to wish I could hook a mouse up to it.

Both have safari - one works with mouse and keyboard, the other works with multi-touch. Both UIs work quite well. And again, it would certainly be easier to scroll safari on the mac if you could just flip it with your finger instead of having to hit the scroll bar with the mouse to get started.

And just because the iPhone has a small screen doesn't at all mean multi-touch is only suited for a small screen. My #1 desired feature in a future iPhone would be a larger screen, which would make Safari, Mail, Maps, iPod, etc, all work even better.

Apple didn't do an iPhone first because they don't thing multi-touch would work on a desktop computer, they did it first because it was a huge untapped market where they could innovate and there was no legacy installed codebase to deal with during a transition period.

Just as MacOS X runs the iPhone, I'm sure Cocoa Touch runs on prototype macs in Apple's labs, and not just in an iPhone emulator.
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hahah

Ahhh.... just another example of how Microsoft copies Apple...

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oh my gooosh! GROOOOVY! They also released a a MacBook Air and Pro with these features of multi touching!
-- that's amazing! I'll go get my iPhotocopier...
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Both have cover flow - it's a heck of a lot easier to use coverflow on the iPhone than on the Mac - i.e. you don't need to hit a scroll bar with a mouse to start moving through the list, you just flip through with your finger. And after nearly a year of using an iPhone, I have yet to wish I could hook a mouse up to it.

Both have safari - one works with mouse and keyboard, the other works with multi-touch. Both UIs work quite well. And again, it would certainly be easier to scroll safari on the mac if you could just flip it with your finger instead of having to hit the scroll bar with the mouse to get started.

Don't you have scroll wheel in your mouse? You most certainly don't have to grab scroll bars to make either of these functions to work. And if you use notebook, every notebook since G3 lineup has had two finger scrolling, whitch is very intuitive and usable.
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Don't you have scroll wheel in your mouse? You most certainly don't have to grab scroll bars to make either of these functions to work. And if you use notebook, every notebook since G3 lineup has had two finger scrolling, whitch is very intuitive and usable.

I believe two finger scrolling first became available on the last revision of the powerbook, just before the intel transistion.
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What apple did with the iphone was to test the waters with multi touch and now that it is a proven technology, all we have to do is wait for them to make the screen larger and the device more powerful for us to see a desktop. Not only that, but I feel that apple has in store a laptop which does someting with touch that goes beyond what the widows 7 demo has shown us: I'm thinking that apple will elminate the keyboard and decide to use a multi touch screen on the bortom of the laptop and keep the current top screen: They will offer the best of two worlds like the Nintendo DS has done (just an example). And by allowing the bottom screen to be controlled in such a way makes the sky the limit for what you can do with the laptop:
you could have the top screen flip around in a way that you can turn the computer into a tablet at any moment, you could have a standard keyboard be the bottom screen, you coulld have all the tools for photoshop be accessed by a touch of the finger on the bottom screen, you could have safari pages that span two screens at once, You could have a version of WOW that has custom controls set to the bottom screen that allows for access to spells at the touch of a finger, as well as movement, and have a chat keyboard pop up whenever you need to chat, as well as put some user defined buttons be placed on the large bottom screen

Heck, The bottom screen could elminate the need for a mouse or trackpad if used correctly.


This is the type of direction that I see apple moving towards. While Microsoft is stuck with a single screen and limited multi touch controls, apple will be alowing for two screens and the developer to add their own controls the way they feel the application would work best.

This is just a thought.
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When MS starts hyping a feature you know it's become passe.

The race to make a fully multi-touch desktop is absolutely absurd. Geez thanks
you've turned my computer into a Kiosk. I'm impressed.

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Don't you have scroll wheel in your mouse? You most certainly don't have to grab scroll bars to make either of these functions to work. And if you use notebook, every notebook since G3 lineup has had two finger scrolling, whitch is very intuitive and usable.

No scroll-wheel on my trackball, and it doesn't really change the point I was trying to make - that there are times direct manipulation is going to just work better. Take the coverflow example, once you scroll, you likely want to open the the thing you just scrolled to. If you use a scrollwheel, you likely don't know quite where the mouse cursor is, you have to find it and move it to the thing you want to open. The way it works on the iPhone, your finger is already where you need it once you scroll to the thing you were looking for.

Perhaps a better example - it's easier to have your hand touch a link to go to another web page than it is to have your hand grab a mouse, move it enough to see the cursor, move that cursor to the link and click.

Another example, you're working on an image with an editing tool and want to zoom up on your work. Wouldn't it be easier to just pinch zoom than to have to go select a magnifying glass tool, do your zoom, then go back and reselect the tool you were using with the mouse?

Let multi-touch supplement the mouse the same way the mouse supplements the keyboard. Get a desktop implementation that's as well thought out as the iPhone UI before you decide it's useless in a desktop environment.
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I believe two finger scrolling first became available on the last revision of the powerbook, just before the intel transistion.

Official support maybe, but the machines have had the ability long before that. See: iScroll2, works perfectly
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A trackball eh? I prefer my trackpad, it's much easier to go between the keyboard (my primary input method), and the trackpad (that input method that gets used whenever there's not a keyboard shortcut or not one that I know yet). Anyway, that aside, the problems you are describing of not knowing where the cursor is simply don't exist, that thing that's moving? That's the cursor whenever you move your mouse/trackball/trackpad and there is no need to hunt that down before you even touch your mouse/trackball/trackpad.

And on the contrary, it is much more precise for me to be able to point to a link via a proxy (through my trackpad) which is smaller than my finger to click a link than it is for me to reach out and touch the link on my screen, particularly since the environment I'm working in was designed for a mouse cursor to begin with and the buttons, links, and menus are designed and sized exactly for that.

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I'm typing right now - the mouse is not visible on the screen because the OS has properly obscured it. It doesn't become visible until I move the mouse slightly. If I've been typing for a while, I won't remember where I last left it, so don't know until I move it slightly if the button I want to press is to the left, right or directly below the mouse. I'm on a mac pro with dual displays, one 30 inches, one 24 inches. There are times I don't know what screen my mouse is on, much less where on the screen it is. It takes a small movement for the on screen mouse to become visible, and perhaps a bit more movement to have it move enough to see. In the time it takes to lift my hand off of the keyboard and grab the trackball, I could have instead reached that same hand off of the keyboard and touched the "submit reply" button. Both the trackball and the button are roughly the same distance from my hand, there is no having to look for the on screen mouse to move it to the button, I could just touch the button. Just because it's become so routine that you don't notice it doesn't mean that there's not extra time involved.

And buttons and links aren't designed precisely to be easy to hit with a mouse. Quite the contrary, the only thing on the screen that is designed to be easy to hit with the mouse it the main menu bar and the dock, which take advantage of being on the edge of the screen to give them effectively infinite height, thus making them easy to hit. Buttons and links on the screen are designed to look nice. And the smaller they are, the more time it takes to mouse over them.

Again, I'm suggesting that a touch/multitouch screen be a supplement for the mouse, not a replacement. Just as you have the option of typing command-x to cut instead of using the mouse to select the cut menu, you could have the option of touching a button instead of moving the mouse over it and clicking.

And, again, you have to look no further than the iPhone to see that a well thought out touch screen interface can certainly work quite well.
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Well done Microsoft, you're keeping up your consistency with being behind the times as usual. All I saw there was a demonstration of what Apple brought to market over 1 year ago, but by the looks of it, in a really awkward and buggy way. Disgraceful, but typical Microsoft shit. If they didn't have their OS monopoly from early on, this company would be dust long ago.

And besides, I really don't think this multi touch interface has much presense in the desktop market. In some specific niche situations, sure. But with the drop in prices for LCD screens, it's not going to be long before 30" screens are standard. Who the hell sits close enough to their 30" screen to be touching it all the time? Not to mention getting it all smudged up.

In her demonstration, almost every task she did seemed awkward. The only one that seemed remotely natural was the maps application, but I'd still rather use a mouse to do that, rather than having to move my arm towards the screen. I'm not saying it wouldn't be a useful thing to have, but it's no revolution like the iPhone was, it's just a rehash but done in a less impressive way. Again, Microsoft being consistent.

Where multitouch is good is on small devices where there is no mouse or keyboard and you've got the device in your hand anyway.
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Ever notice when they demo multi-touch on big screens, it's always doing something stupid? They're just fooling around, not really being practical and productive. I agree that on a vertical surface it's just plain dumb, except for kiosks. It belongs on portables and keyboards, NOT monitors. Typical MS. They just don't get it.
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I bet Ballmer was cringing at the iphone references. I guess the fact that the screen is so unresponsive would at least assure him it's not really like the iphone.

Did they expect people to be impressed with the map thing? I don't even know why they would demo that on a computer. So what if you can get directions, what good is it to you when you walk out the door?

The iphone has these maps in your pocket as you go to where you need to go.

The painting application was horrendous. I get better output than that from current touch displays. The only advantage here is that you can make multiple unrecognizable squiggles at once.

In a way I wish their demo had been better so that Apple had something to worry about and start the desktop touch movement but this is not even competitive with current products.
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Instead of fingering Google Maps (when MS wants to buy Yahoo) and giving away the fact that they are going to steal the Dock from OS X, she should have shown what a marvelous improvement multi-touch will be for those that enjoy porn on their big 30" LCDs.

Just imagine interactive, near-real-life, fleshy responses to pinching, circles, spreading, poking, sliding, scraping, using 2 fingers, 3, 4, 5...

Then, in Steve Jobs style, they could have announced ONE MORE THING, which would have been a screen you can use your tongue on.

All kidding aside, what a waste of time. A girl back in college touched my NeXT Monitor with her orange cheetos finger and I've never forgotten her.

From an ergonomics standpoint, has MS done the math on how many trillions of miles all this movement is going to add to our work lives? I can accomplish much of what I saw by moving my mouse half and inch and scrolling.
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Okay, I see where they're going with that. I think Microsoft's technology for implementing it is fundamentally flawed though. And I suspect OS X Version 6 Cougar or whatever they call it will beat it to market with a better implementation (Drawing on Apple's existing Multi-Touch technology and associated patents, first in an iMac, then in keyboards, notebooks and displays.

In other commentary, they're copying the Dock. How backward is that? The Dock was Apple's answer to user's calls for something like (But not) a taskbar. Now Microsoft, whose dull thinking concocted the taskbar, is copying the Dock.

Oh well, whatever makes Windows more bearable I suppose.

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post #38 of 107
this is just so sad M$. I'd just like to see Adobe make all their Apps compatible.

For me, I believe that Apple will be looking into 3D for the next OS - its all about the user experience.....
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Originally Posted by just_a_guy View Post

I'm thinking that apple will elminate the keyboard and decide to use a multi touch screen on the bortom of the laptop and keep the current top screen: They will offer the best of two worlds like the Nintendo DS has done (just an example). .

last week was the first time in ages that I went back from my macbook to my desktop computer to type something and I couldn't believe how much smoother and faster I could type there than on the macbook.
"eliminate the keyboard" I think not. to have your fingers feel the sides of the keys makes everything so much smoother, no accidental wrong letter inputs, like on the iphone.

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Originally Posted by alandail View Post

Another example, you're working on an image with an editing tool and want to zoom up on your work. Wouldn't it be easier to just pinch zoom than to have to go select a magnifying glass tool, do your zoom, then go back and reselect the tool you were using with the mouse?

oh what a bunch of horse cr*p!
people who work with any imaging software will have learned the keyboard shortcuts:
to zoom the pic you're working on in photoshop is: command&+ or command&-
this works way faster than either mouse input or multi-touch pinching (which will also rotate your picture: BLEH!)
and like another comment said: how many people don't know how to use command&C and command&V for copy and paste???
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