Originally Posted by DistortedLoop
For the few of you who happen to think that it's okay to go into someone else's place of business and "hack" the computers, whether they're display or not, please post your business address so that I can come by and hack yours. You shouldn't mind, since it's all just good natured fun.
Originally Posted by knightlie
If these were plain, simple vandals everyone would agree with the manager, but as they are "hackers," people seem to think we should bow down to their superior skilz and all that BS. Good riddance to them, it's a pity they weren't arrested.
What everyone needs to realize is that these kids did nothing more than what thousands of kids do every day by downloading programs or changing desktop appearances on demo computers at your local big box electronics store. Basically, I see a bunch of technically-illiterate people throwing up the red flags because they hear the term "hacking" used and thus emotionally associate these harmless kids with real "hackers" that are responsible for economic loss, identity theft, etc.
Remember, the only thing the kids did was visit a website that allows 3rd party applications to be installed on the iPhone. This iPhone was NOT someone's personal property, but a store display unit that is provided for customers to play with and become accustomed to the device. Just like my analogy with teens who change the desktop wallpaper of in-store computers to something inappropriate, It at most requires a firm "please do not change things on the display units" from an employee and nothing more. What's funny is that most stores don't even allow employees to chase actual shop-lifters out of the store for fear of their own safety. In this case, the store manager not only chased the kids down the street but involved the city police for such an inconsequential situation. This 3-hour circus should have taken 5 seconds.
Originally Posted by jmadlena
I agree that the punishment seems disproportionate to the crime, but the excuse that they kids should be allowed to "explore" is bull. Such a hippy answer. It doesn't matter if there was ABSOLUTELY ZERO permanent consequences (they could have bricked it for all they knew). It is not their property, and so they have no right to disobey the owner's wishes with that property.
And I really disagree that the store manager should be fired, and the kids let off the hook. What kind of Bizarro world are we living in today? Perhaps they didn't deserve a police interrogation, but that is what you risk when you do things you aren't supposed to.
PS And yes, they did vandalize the property. It doesn't matter if it only takes "3 minutes" to fix. Imagine if they had to do it to every iPhone every day? That is a lot of extra work. It doesn't matter how little time it takes to repair, it doesn't make it right because it is only "3 minutes." If they wanted to hack an iPhone, they should have bought it.
I never said anything about "letting the kids explore", and the reason why I said the manager should be fired is because of his wholesale lack of judgment in physically chasing the kids down the street and involving the police for such nonsense. The damaging PR itself is enough to have this looney thrown out.
Also, again, the kids did not "vandalize" anyone's property ---- the iPhone continued to have exactly the same functionality that existed prior to modification and did not need to be "repaired". They downloaded a game for god sakes. Funnier still is the fact that the website they visited that allowed them to install the 3rd party game actually *FIXES* the existing security hole.
Originally Posted by ncee
It's not what they did it to, it's the fact that THEY FU%$CK around with some that DIDN'T belong to them. Hey leave your MBP, iPhone, iPod around, that them pick it up and FU$%#*CK around with it, and then tell me you are ok with it NOT!
Are you serious? They weren't messing with someone's personal iPhone they grabbed from a purse! they were playing with the DEMO UNITS PROVIDED BY THE STORE FOR CUSTOMERS TO INTERACT WITH!
That is entirely different than affecting someone's personal property. And for your crap analogy about a car dealership, what they did would be like changing the radio stations on a car.
Originally Posted by aresee
There is a great deal of difference between the acts. Allowing a potential customer to add Safari bookmarks is a demonstration of the devices functions and capabilities... For all of you who think that this is ok, do you think it is acceptable to go around adding files and apps to display computers?
How is downloading a game not "a demonstration of a device's capabilities"? And I'm glad you brought up the case of kids messing with display computers. That happens thousands of times every day, and you sure as hell don't see kids being accosted down the street and arrested by local police.
Originally Posted by knightlie
I think you can cross "Store Manager" off your list off potential employment options.
That's ironic since I run a network of online stores.
Originally Posted by cnocbui
I think you are mentally challenged. Someone else has already drawn attention to the illegal activities of Apples founders when they were kids. So how did those kids turn out again? How could you write such drivel after reading such a brilliant example - or didn't you read it and comprehend the irony? Just to help you understand the previous sentence, here's a hint, irony has nothing to do with ferrous metals. Your extrapolations are extreme, rendering your argument nonsensical.
"irony has nothing to do with ferrous metals." -- HAHAH! that is a good one.
Originally Posted by gar
It's criminal behavior...
Next time they get bored, they rape a 13 year old girl just to explore their potential and have some fun! Or come after you with a baseball bat to explore the thickness of your skull, take your MacBook from your cold hands, remove your account and put a new password on it... just for fun!
It isn't fun, it is vandalism.
It isn't exploring, it is boredom
dump kids... bah
hmmm.. I don't think your nonsense even deserves a reply... bah.