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African American to become nominee of major party in the developed western world.

I am proud of America.

Please share your thoughts about this historic moment in time.

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and I must say Hillary Clinton has much deserved credit as a woman in government who has shattered any glass ceilings in a sense for women. Women today have a role model with Hillary Clinton irrespective of any difference one may have with her policy or tactic. Rest assured Hillary has inspired many millions of Americans.

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I am proud of America.

Hopefully not for the first time, like Michelle.

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Please share your thoughts about this historic moment in time.

Glad that's over. Now we can get down to business... deciding between the new Messiah, The Big-O, the man who would bring about the Obama-nation of Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, and LBJ...or... the maverick, sell-out, liberal-echoing hand grenade that will attempt to redefine the entire base of his party.

Oh, freakin goody.

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and I must say Hillary Clinton has much deserved credit as a woman in government who has shattered any glass ceilings in a sense for women. Women today have a role model with Hillary Clinton irrespective of any difference one may have with her policy or tactic. Rest assured Hillary has inspired many millions of Americans.

HRC is only a role-model if the lesson you are trying to teach is to get whatever you want by whatever means necessary, until there is no possible way to win. She's a ruthless bitch with a utopian socialist vision for this country. Ironically, a vision not all that different from Obama or, hell, even McCain, for that matter. She's certainly "inspired" some people, what with her personal disapproval rating only running 15 pts behind the abhorrent GWB.
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Hopefully not for the first time, like Michelle.



Glad that's over. Now we can get down to business... deciding between the new Messiah, The Big-O, the man who would bring about the Obama-nation of Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, and LBJ...or... the maverick, sell-out, liberal-echoing hand grenade that will attempt to redefine the entire base of his party.

Oh, freakin goody.



HRC is only a role-model if the lesson you are trying to teach is to get whatever you want by whatever means necessary, until there is no possible way to win. She's a ruthless bitch with a utopian socialist vision for this country. Ironically, a vision not all that different from Obama or, hell, even McCain, for that matter. She's certainly "inspired" some people, what with her personal disapproval rating only running 15 pts behind the abhorrent GWB.

I am a proud American period. I have been to Boston MA and seen historical landmarks where true American patriots have walked, lived and died.

I look forward to my trip this summer to Philadelphia PA. for similar reasons. To see historical landmarks which have in large measure shaped this great land we love.

This said I am proud of the progress in our society where by a man with a different sounding name who is of mixed race / background can achieve something which not too many generations ago would never be possible.

I am very proud of America.

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and I must say Hillary Clinton has much deserved credit as a woman in government who has shattered any glass ceilings in a sense for women. Women today have a role model with Hillary Clinton irrespective of any difference one may have with her policy or tactic. Rest assured Hillary has inspired many millions of Americans.

Historic...

Uh? No. She rode on her husbands coat tails and when he left office she was limo'ed up to NY to take a seat given to her. Praise Pelosi or Boxer or anyone before Hillary. Hillary is very skilled and intelligent but she didn't get where she is now without her husband.
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I saw on the main page that Fellows posted and thought to myself, "what are the chances that he created a new thread?"

Pretty damn good.
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Regardless of party it is a historic moment. Congratulations to Barack Obama and also congratulations to Hillary Clinton who was a very worthy opponent.

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I saw on the main page that Fellows posted and thought to myself, "what are the chances that he created a new thread?"

Pretty damn good.

LOL

Be nice I have been busy balancing the pH, total alkalinity, Cyanuric acid and keeping the chlorine in my pool in the correct range of ppm.

That when I am not trading stocks and or tending the garden.

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Regardless of party it is a historic moment. Congratulations to Barack Obama and also congratulations to Hillary Clinton who was a very worthy opponent.

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Historic, yes, but overcoming the Clinton organization -- that -- is a truly outstanding piece of work. The Clinton organization, all the years that it took to build it, only to have it bested by a truly savvy politician. A guy who knows how to spot talent, and hire those key people to help him formulate a strategy, and then make it happen. The man can dance.

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Historic, yes, but overcoming the Clinton organization -- that -- is a truly outstanding piece of work. The Clinton organization, all the years that it took to build it, only to have it bested by a truly savvy politician. A guy who knows how to spot talent, and hire those key people to help him formulate a strategy, and then make it happen. The man can dance.

It's something, all right. Should we be worried about someone who is slicker than Slick Willy?

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post #11 of 151
Obama can't dance for shit. His guest spot on the Ellen show was kind of painful.

Damn that white blood!
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Obama can't dance for shit.

Can't bowl worth a damn, either.
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Can't bowl worth a damn, either.

Man's a baller. The Clintons lost because they didn't realize the game had changed.
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post #14 of 151
You know, the only time you see a black President in Hollywood is when a disaster is about to strike, so watch out!

Seriously though, congratulations to Obama; and yes Fellows, it's a great day for America.
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post #15 of 151
I'm very happy about this right now. I think he gave a very good acceptance speech and I think he really is going to be the next president.
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post #16 of 151
They say he's a Muslim too. What a day in America.
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Originally Posted by Fellowship View Post I am proud of America.

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Hopefully not for the first time, like Michelle.

Please...respectfully, STFU. I'm a 48 year old "adult" and this is one time where I can say I am proud to be an American too.

Whether he makes it or not. It is a major step toward unity in this country. And that's fine by me.
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Unconditional Pride.
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Conditional Pride.

I think you are giving Artman a hard time if I am not mistaken.

Could I simply suggest that there are times when it is not as easy to be proud of certain actions our government take?

Is this not possible?

I think you know it is possible to be let down and even disappointed or not "proud" of certain actions the government of a nation can take.

So.. On a day where a nation crosses a threshold whereby an African American will be the nominee of a major party in the developed western world in this case The United States of America I see nothing wrong with a person being proud of such an evolution in said society to a degree that such an accomplishment becomes reality.

This can be the case as can it be the case that for a time people can not be particularly proud of certain actions of their government.

Freedom Fries anyone remember that? I was not proud when that came out...

I think you see my point...

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post #20 of 151
I'm sorry I edited under you. I meant "unconditional pride" meaning that of course pride is conditional. Sorry.
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Unconditional Pride.

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"What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback. And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud."

I don't (er, what's the word here...) "resemble" her opinion, but as an American, she is absolutely on the mark.

The key word here is "adult". As a young white person, even I had doubts (and still do) where my pride should be or even if I deserve the feeling. But when changes are made and the leaders we elect help preserve and protect the rights and freedoms that our founding fathers put to paper, there is pride.

Coming from a young black person's perspective, I remain clueless. Their definition of pride (and when they accept it) may be totally different.

In other words...STFU.
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In other words...STFU.

Hey Artman you say "shut the fuck up" I say "how high!?"
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Hey Artman you say "shut the fuck up" I say "how high!?"

When you actually are able to clarify anything you say, you will always remain on my ignore list.
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When you actually are able to clarify anything you say, you will always remain on my ignore list.

Just post a picture Artman.
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Just post a picture Artman.

Good to see that "putting words together to make a sentence" thing is improving. Wake me when they make any real sense or actually support their meaning.
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Good to see that "putting words together to make a sentence" thing is improving. Wake me when they make any real sense or actually support their meaning.

I only accept replies in the form of a picture.
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Please...respectfully, STFU.

Yeah... I usually put "respectfully" next to "STFU." I'm a bit surprised, Artman.
It's cool... take a mulligan on the Shut the fuck up thing. No worries.

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It is a major step toward unity in this country

Chances that Jesse, Sharpton, et al are going to slow down one bit in this evil "US of KKK A" - 0.00%
Chances politicians from both side of the isle will stop dividing people for political gain? - 0.00%

It could be a step toward unity... and probably will be in some form... but I doubt that Democrats will be able to help themselves... they are going to start throwing around the word "racist" for opposition to Obama, and that is going to maintain fractures in the country.
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Yeah... I usually put "respectfully" next to "STFU." I'm a bit surprised, Artman.
It's cool... take a mulligan on the Shut the fuck up thing. No worries.

My apologies. Accept it as morning grumpiness. And the fact that that particular statement you made was baseless.
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I only accept replies in the form of a picture.



I know English may not your first language. But try and work on your succinctness.
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My apologies. Accept it as morning grumpiness. And the fact that that particular statement you made was baseless.

Baseless?

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"And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. "

But no problem. We'll call it a draw.
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Baseless?

It is a sad day in America when we take a word, voice inflection, lexicon, gasp, belch, cough, sneeze, almost anything to destroy a person. We claim to be the best country in the world; we are. We claim to be the best democracy in the world; we are. Sometimes I believe we pay too much attention to the slightest wink or glance and become the wonderful pundit, the articulate commentator we could have been, but are not.

I remember a man speaking about segregation now and segregation forever. I remember men talking about dreams and others talking about tearing down walls. I remember no new taxes and not having sexual relations. I remember WMD and we got him (Saddam). I don't recall any time in our history where Americans decided that stating really proud right now is an indicator of never being proud.

We say this to our children...I'm really proud of you; to our spouse...I'm really proud of you; to each other...I'm really proud of you...not once do we think this person has never been proud of us before. Let this rest.
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It's not quite over yet. Nobody knows what kind of Rovian scheme Republican opponents might cook up to derail Obama between now and the DNC. In the event of Obama suddenly becoming an unelectable commodity, what then? Clinton perhaps shouldn't formally quit until the DNC nominates the candidate.

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Freedom Fries anyone remember that? I was not proud when that came out...

Freedom fries? is that a food item, or the fate of freedom?

Or, since we've lost so much in the last 6.75 years, maybe "freedom fried" would be more apt?

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It is a sad day in America when we take a word, voice inflection, lexicon, gasp, belch, cough, sneeze, almost anything to destroy a person. We claim to be the best country in the world; we are. We claim to be the best democracy in the world; we are. Sometimes I believe we pay too much attention to the slightest wink or glance and become the wonderful pundit, the articulate commentator we could have been, but are not.

I remember a man speaking about segregation now and segregation forever. I remember men talking about dreams and others talking about tearing down walls. I remember no new taxes and not having sexual relations. I remember WMD and we got him (Saddam). I don't recall any time in our history where Americans decided that stating really proud right now is an indicator of never being proud.

We say this to our children...I'm really proud of you; to our spouse...I'm really proud of you; to each other...I'm really proud of you...not once do we think this person has never been proud of us before. Let this rest.

I must say, Artman, I am proud of you for the quality of that response.
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I must say, Artman, I am proud of you for the quality of that response.

Here...



Is it me, or does this look like honesty too? I like honesty.
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lol that's awesome.
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It is about time.

The US has blabbed and blabbed and blabbed about being the leader of the free world and of possessing that wonderful word "democracy" for many years, yet they have been unable to actually live up to the talk. Discrimination has been rampant throughout our history.

Finally, both a woman and a black man can run for president. For the first time, I feel that the US is actually beginning to live up to some of the hype and beginning to act like the democracy it has always tried to portray itself as.

However, the racism persists (as does the sexism), and only time will tell whether Obama can actually make it to the WH. Too many people in the country are still too small to accept a black in the WH and will look for any petty reason why not to let that happen just so they can protect their own narrow interpretation of "American values". The same would have held for Hillary had she won: too many people just aren't ready for it, which is sad (though IMO she is not fit to be prez, this is about being a woman).

 

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post #38 of 151
Uh-oh. I feel a banning a' comin'...

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post #39 of 151
Yep... change we can believe in.

Obama's Evolving Position on Iran:
Hawkish Stand More Like the Bush Administration's Position


Of course, it's not a flip-flop... it's an "evolution."
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Yep... change we can believe in.

Obama's Evolving Position on Iran:
Hawkish Stand More Like the Bush Administration's Position


Of course, it's not a flip-flop... it's an "evolution."

Yes, Obama did pledge unflinching support to Israel. Yes, he did assert that Iran will not be allowed to obtain nuclear weapons. No, this doesn't represent major change to US/Israeli relations. However, he also explained why ending support for Israel wouldn't solve our problems. He also explained how he would use firm diplomacy to discourage Iran, with much specificity in fact.

He also told AIPAC directly that Israel shouldn't be expanding settlements into new areas they agreed not to. He explained that a contiguous Palestinian state should be created and created in a way which will allow them to prosper. That wasn't booed, but it definitely wasn't met with roaring applause either. A lot of people need to chill out on looking for gotcha moments. Obama isn't going to radically change everything about the United States and its policy.

He doesn't wish to and won't have the power to, should he become president. But he has laid out plans for reasonable changes during his administration which appear beneficial and attainable. Just because he isn't proposing as extreme changes as Ron Paul doesn't make him a liar who is playing up the change slogan with no intention of following through.

Israel (AIPAC in particular) is so firmly entrenched in American politics and foreign policy, there is no politician running for office that can't accept or support them. It's when that person becomes president is where that support can change.

Though in my time (Nixon, Ford, Carter*, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton*, Bush II) none have...

*Carter was close, Clinton too...
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