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They don't call it the Jesus phone for nothing.

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This is crazy....LET THE APPS BE FREE!!

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post #43 of 152
If they are going to charge, I hope they also give a free demo version, like the Trism game will. The price points will be interesting, is an iPhone app worth a few grotes like a mobile phone app or game, or do they charge more because its a mobile computer platform?
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If they are going to charge, I hope they also give a free demo version, like the Trism game will. The price points will be interesting, is an iPhone app worth a few grotes like a mobile phone app or game, or do they charge more because its a mobile computer platform?

WTH is a grote?

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If you want to give away your software for free, you don't have to do it through the App Store either.

I thought Apple wasn't going to allow software installations except through their app store.
post #46 of 152
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

If you want to give away your software for free, you don't have to do it through the App Store either.

Sounds reasonable as well, but who are WE to say? If someone does not want to charge then they should not be forced to or coerced to. If Apple does not want to host free apps this is their right to do so as well.
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I thought Apple wasn't going to allow software installations except through their app store.

You are aware of the whole "jailbreak" thing, right?

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iTunes, Adium, Perian, Colloquy, TextWrangler, Transmission, Firefox, Camino, Opera, Flock, The Unarchiver, Skype, HandBrake, along with hundreds of others.

-Owl

NONE of the above are 'free'.
The cost to the user is simply hidden and supplied by other methods (advertising, subscription, or Mom & Dad's largess.)

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post #49 of 152
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby View Post

Sounds reasonable as well, but who are WE to say? If someone does not want to charge then they should not be forced to or coerced to. If Apple does not want to host free apps this is their right to do so as well.

Apple could be scared at the sheer quantity of apps they would need to "vet" before they can offer it to consumers.

I think Steve spoke in haste and now they are looking at the enormous costs involved... not just hosting costs!

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post #50 of 152
LOL, so Apple says to charge, now most people here think free apps are useless. WTF, get a brain of your own. Dolts!
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NONE of the above are 'free'.
The cost to the user is simply hidden and supplied by other methods (advertising, subscription, or Mom & Dad's largess.)

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post #52 of 152
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LOL, so Apple says to charge, now most people here think free apps are useless. WTF, get a brain of your own. Dolts!

Not true. There are very useful free and paid apps. But Apple has to make a business decision.

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post #53 of 152
I can understand that. I'm just looking at the bad mouthing of free apps. If I was Apple, I wouldn't want to host gazillions of free apps either. I understand that they are a business in the business of making money.
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Not true. There are very useful free and paid apps. But Apple has to make a business decision.
post #54 of 152
I am the first to admit it puts pressure on people writing paid apps, and this is half the point. Apple is hoping for this. Start out free and it means the chargers have to work harder for it. Push the free ones into low level charging, and they will get money to increase features and increase charges.

if you can buy a free or a not so free one, you choose.
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I am the first to admit it puts pressure on people writing paid apps, and this is half the point. Apple is hoping for this. Start out free and it means the chargers have to work harder for it. Push the free ones into low level charging, and they will get money to increase features and increase charges.

if you can buy a free or a not so free one, you choose.

It's the 'drug dealer' model of distribution.

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"lite" - that's so WINDOWS-crappy. Ever bought a Dell or HP - stuffed to the brim with such junk.
Let's not go down that road!

The difference is you get to choose the apps from the App Store instead of getting them preloaded. Think of Apple's Dashboard webpage. There are thousands of widgets to search through but are in no obligation download them. Even if you did install too many you can bet it'll be much easier to remove.


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What's a good free app? the AIM client?

The problem with 3rd-party IM clients is that per the rules of the SDK they will not run in the background. It is for this reason that I except to see Mobile iChat on OS X iPhone come v2.0. I also except Apple to add MSN as shown in a recent UI patent, but more for the fact that MS Messenger is the most common IM protocol in pretty much every country that the iPhone will be sold, except for the US.
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post #57 of 152
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Originally Posted by robpor View Post

I WISH I COULD FIND DEVELOPERS LIKE YOU TO WORK FOR FREE, ARE YOU LIVING @ HOME @ 30 SOMETHING ON YOUR PARENTS DIME?

SOFTWARE/APPS COME WITH A PRICE, EITHER ON YOUR END OR ON THE CONSUMER.

DON'T SELL YOURSELF SHORT JUST TO PROVE A POINT.

YOUR HURTING THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

UNLESS THE APPS YOU DEVELOP ARE GARBAGE TO BEGIN WITH!

Aside from the infantile ALL CAPS reply, the content of this post (as well as many others here) angers me no end.

I can understand financially what Apple's motivations are here, but for a developer, free apps and altruistic intent are both very good things. It's the developers choice anyway.

I do think that people (like you!) that are trying to make out like being fair or giving away something for free is actively *bad* or "destructive to the community" are going waay over the top. The suggestion by someone above that Apple should severely limit the number of free apps someone can offer is totally fascist IMO.

People actually think that Apple should only "let you" give something away if you perform your good Capitalist duty first???? WTF?

It's all the "developers" (and I use that term loosely) that rip off the Tetris code and try to sell it in a hundred badly coded variations that are "destructive to the community." It's the "developers" that make a stupid theme for the OS and think that I am going to pay 20 bucks to use it that are "the problem." It's the disdain these types of "developers" have for their customers and their attitude of entitlement that poison the developer community.

I saw this with Palm OS and on Windows Mobile, both of which I used for many years and bought lots of apps. Most applications were cheesy poorly done rip-offs posted at outrageous prices for what they were. Many were hardly "applications" at all, more like a UI wrapper on an already existent system function.

We know the platform will likely be a success with an addressable market in the tens of millions at the very least (and that's just to start with). Apple should be advising the developers to control their greed a little bit and think of how much money they will make even at $.99 an app, not encouraging higher prices.
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post #58 of 152
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

LMAO! That's just funny. I'd rather provide something people want and can use and also get paid for it. It's kinda like working your butt off to get on "American Idol", then quitting before the final round (I don't watch American Idol, so pardon the example).

Well, that's certainly well and good, and I would do the same, but I also wouldn't knock dude for wanting to give it away. Nikola Tesla's primary motivating factor for a lot of his innovative work was to one day provide free electricity for the entire world.

Until guys like Westinghouse started f--king him, that is....
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I can understand that. I'm just looking at the bad mouthing of free apps. If I was Apple, I wouldn't want to host gazillions of free apps either. I understand that they are a business in the business of making money.

Every app has to pass Apple's inspection also! It will become impossible for them to review every app and guarantee it won't brick iPhones from here to Mongolia.

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It's the 'drug dealer' model of distribution.

I thought that the drug dealer model was that the first one is free, any more is going to cost you.

Other than the part about free apps, competing against different products at different price points and different feature lists is standard capitalism. And that's different from the drug dealer model.
post #61 of 152
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

It's the 'drug dealer' model of distribution.

In many ways Apple is an enabler.
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post #62 of 152
Thats true... but if it passes their automated tests (as in, tests to see if it breaks the sandbox, or uses API's not in the SDK - both tested without people involved) then the risk is almost infinitesimally small it will brick it.
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I do think that people (like you!) that are trying to make out like being fair or giving away something for free is actively *bad* or "destructive to the community" are going waay over the top. The suggestion by someone above that Apple should severely limit the number of free apps someone can offer is totally fascist IMO.

I know the socialistic view of the world is all fine and good for freeware and shareware sites, but it's a bit much to ask Apple to be responsible for the raft of inevitable class-action lawsuits that would stem from the use of a 'sleeper' app downloaded to your iPhone that could potentially destroy your hard won consumer loyalty.

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I'm sure the open source community, as well as those of us who benefit from their work (which, by the way, includes all of us who run OS X) appreciates your constructive rant.

MacOS X is BASED on open source with open source components, it is not all open source and you do have to PAY for it. In fact there were alot of open source people who weren't happy with Apple making money off of open source software.
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MacOS X is BASED on open source with open source components, it is not all open source and you do have to PAY for it. In fact there were alot of open source people who weren't happy with Apple making money off of open source software.

What are the freetards gonna do, sue? They don't have any money anyway.

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post #66 of 152
This is one way that Apple could really shoot themselves in the foot. They are already taking too much control of what can and can't be run on their device.

When phones running Android come out at the end of the year, this restriction will give people a real reason to switch. Developers will like using the system, because it's truly open and they can do what they like, and most stuff will be given away for free.

What Apple is doing with this store is only stiffling development, and if most stuff is going cost money, then this idea is doomed to fail.
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WTH is a grote?

Ok I didn't spell it the right way, I meant to say Groat. A unit of money - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groat

I know it as a slang word for money, 5 groats or whatever. A generic word for a currency.
post #68 of 152
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

We know the platform will likely be a success with an addressable market in the tens of millions at the very least (and that's just to start with). Apple should be advising the developers to control their greed a little bit and think of how much money they will make even at $.99 an app, not encouraging higher prices.

I saw nothing about encouraging higher prices, Apple was encouraging developers to charge vs give away free. Don't assume more than what's written in the article.

There is nothing wrong with giving away apps free. There is also nothing wrong with Apple encouraging developers to put a price (be it small or large) on their apps when those apps are made for the iPhone and using Apple's distribution system.
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MacOS X is BASED on open source with open source components, it is not all open source and you do have to PAY for it.

That's true, but the point of the person you replied to was that we all benefit, especially as it improves interoperability.

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In fact there were alot of open source people who weren't happy with Apple making money off of open source software.

Those people just have to deal with it. If the projects didn't want a company to take it and make money from it, those projects should have chosen a different license. There's no shortage of open source licenses, so if the project has a particular kind of agenda on how the software can be used, they can pick a license style that fits their agenda.
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Then don't.... but don't be so petulant about it. It makes you seem childish.

He isn't. What it is is fact. Apple promised it, there is the contract and that's his statement about the whole affair. It also doesn't matter if he lives at home on his parent's dime and wants to offer free apps. That's his prerogative and he shouldn't give a F what anybody else says.

If Apple refuses to sell free apps in the future then these apps can be hosted at MacUpdate where many awesome free apps live. We certainly don't need Apple / iTunes to install these apps.
post #71 of 152
I was planning to buy the iPhone as soon as it comes out in 3G.
Now, I am not going to any more.
I do buy software but not like this.
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He isn't. What it is is fact. Apple promised it, there is the contract and that's his statement about the whole affair. It also doesn't matter if he lives at home on his parent's dime and wants to offer free apps. That's his prerogative and he shouldn't give a F what anybody else says.

If Apple refuses to sell free apps in the future then these apps can be hosted at MacUpdate where many awesome free apps live. We certainly don't need Apple / iTunes to install these apps.

A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on.

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I was planning to buy the iPhone as soon as it comes out in 3G.
Now, I am not going to any more.
I do buy software but not like this.

LOL! I wouldn't base my buying decisions on anything said on these boards.

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I don't think it's a problem as so long as Apple keeps updating and adding applications to what is already on the phones. For example, I hope Apple comes up with a good to-do-list that would be part of the next update.

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Full Calendar: Agenda, Day, Week, Month
Month and Week View with timebars
Task Groups and Priorities
Full Contacts Integration
Search Calendar, Tasks, Contacts
Over-the-air synching to your Mac or PC

You may say that the built in Calendar on the iPhone is good enough. For some sure, but really its pretty weak. I hope to be able to show some nice screenshots of where we're at next week.
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I was planning to buy the iPhone as soon as it comes out in 3G.
Now, I am not going to any more.
I do buy software but not like this.

Like what? You can get software for free or buy it. Apple is simply encouraging developers to charge for their work. Apple isn't forcing them to. Its just a nice email saying "Hey, sounds good - have you thought about charging for the app instead to give it more value?". And that makes sense - if Apple pays for distribution they would prefer to get paid for it.
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A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on.

That's right so upload away!

p.s. verbal contracts CAN be binding
post #77 of 152
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Originally Posted by mbradley67 View Post

I was already under the assumption that most of the apps would cost money anyways...

What's a good free app? the AIM client?
Games and everything will of course cost money.

I would be shocked if a high quantity of solid apps come out as free.

The OrbLive TV client is a great free app.
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I was planning to buy the iPhone as soon as it comes out in 3G.
Now, I am not going to any more.
I do buy software but not like this.

LOL That's one down out of 6.5 billion.
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I was planning to buy the iPhone as soon as it comes out in 3G.
Now, I am not going to any more. I do buy software but not like this.

This wasn't a secret. Apple made this clear in February. Their public reasoning makes sense, even if I might disagree with their decision and whatever their unstated reasons might be.

Developers do seem to be treated pretty fairly, and I think the split is reasonable too. If the iTunes model is any indication, use and purchasing should be as painless as you can get.
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I am quite offended.

No! I am not living on my parents dime. I get no support from them.

I am a college student doing a double degree (which means practically double the work) as well as working 30 hours a week to support myself.

My apps are free because they will be Christianity related and I don't believe that anyone should be charged to get a bible in the medium they want.

Stop making assumptions.

"I am hurting the development community as a whole."

How? By stopping people having to pay for a resource I see should be free?
I welcome that hurt.

And my program will not be garbage thank you! It is already a long way into development, and looking great.

Really, what are you majors? "Superstitious Cults of the Last 2000 Years" and "Indoctronation Jesus Style"?

This explains why you're offended by pretty much every reply to your posts.
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