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post #1 of 76
6/6/08 at 10:52am
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Okay, Ladies & Gentlemen, before everyone loses the plot I thought it might be helpful to summarize expectations for Monday based on a consensus of what everyone is saying.

1. 3G iPhone with video calling, GPS and 32 Gb
2. OSX iPhone 2.0
3. .Mac rebranded and repackaged to offer new functionality (possibly called .me)
4. OSX 10.5.4
5. OSX 10.6 preview (possibly called Snow Leopard)
6. New version of Safari for both Windows and OSX

And here is the rumour that just won't go away....

7. OSX for Windows

(Could this be the real reason behind the twin Bay bridges? No, it's about OSX for Mac and iPhone, but you never know)

And one more thing...

8. New MacBook Pro

Will MacBook Touch / Newton 2 device show? Too close to call. I say probably not.
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post #2 of 76
6/6/08 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by Tailpipe View Post

Okay, Ladies & Gentlemen, before everyone loses the plot I thought it might be helpful to summarize expectations for Monday based on a consensus of what everyone is saying.

1. 3G iPhone with video calling, GPS and 32 Gb
2. OSX iPhone 2.0
3. .Mac rebranded and repackaged to offer new functionality (possibly called .me)
4. OSX 10.4
5. OSX 10.6 preview (possibly called Snow Leopard)
6. New version of Safari for both Windows and OSX

And here is the rumour that just won't go away....

7. OSX for Windows

(Could this be the real reason behind the twin Bay bridges? No, it's about OSX for Mac and iPhone, but you never know)

And one more thing...

8. New MacBook Pro

Will MacBook Touch / Newton 2 device show? Too close to call. I say probably not.

That's a pretty good summary.

Except #7 will not occur under any circumstances. Apple is both a hardware AND a software company. Part of Apple's success in stability, user experience, security, etc. is the fact that they have complete control over their software, what hardware it runs on, and the hardware itself.

#8 – This makes sense because of the back to school shopping season, but Apple did a minor refresh to the MacBook Pro line a short while ago and there are also no signs that the current line is nearing EOL status. I'd say an update to the MacBook Pro is unlikely. Has anybody ordered a MacBook Pro within this past week? Did Apple withhold your oder from Shipment until say... June 9th? MacBook is slightly more likely, but still unlikely. So called "Newton 2" (an apple tablet) is conceivable because of the emphasis on the mobil platform, but I still think it's unlikely.

I'm not one that thinks the Cinema Displays NEED to be updated, but they certainly could be, and the timings right.
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post #3 of 76
6/6/08 at 12:15pm
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4. OSX 10.4

That's just a typo for 10.5, yeah?

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post #4 of 76
6/6/08 at 12:17pm
It's a good summary, but I think it's way too many new things. It's going to be all iPhone and apps.

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post #5 of 76
6/6/08 at 12:33pm
I really want number six to happen. If it wasn't for the kinks, Safari would be the best browser out there.
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post #6 of 76
6/6/08 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by Tailpipe View Post

Okay, Ladies & Gentlemen, before everyone loses the plot I thought it might be helpful to summarize expectations for Monday based on a consensus of what everyone is saying.

1. 3G iPhone with video calling, GPS and 32 Gb
2. OSX iPhone 2.0
3. .Mac rebranded and repackaged to offer new functionality (possibly called .me)
4. OSX 10.4
5. OSX 10.6 preview (possibly called Snow Leopard)
6. New version of Safari for both Windows and OSX

And here is the rumour that just won't go away....

7. OSX for Windows

(Could this be the real reason behind the twin Bay bridges? No, it's about OSX for Mac and iPhone, but you never know)

And one more thing...

8. New MacBook Pro

Will MacBook Touch / Newton 2 device show? Too close to call. I say probably not.

NOPE. It's gonna be following, after my brief conversation with SJ:

1. 3G iPhone, available until the end of 2008 in all markets around the world;

2. OS X iPhone 2.0;

3. Mac.com with a new name;

4. 10.6 preview;

5. New Cinema Displays;

6. AppleTV 2.5;

One more thing:

7. iPhone socks limited edition.

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post #7 of 76
6/6/08 at 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by Tailpipe View Post

Okay, Ladies & Gentlemen, before everyone loses the plot I thought it might be helpful to summarize expectations for Monday based on a consensus of what everyone is saying.

1. 3G iPhone with video calling, GPS and 32 Gb
2. OSX iPhone 2.0
3. .Mac rebranded and repackaged to offer new functionality (possibly called .me)
4. OSX 10.4
5. OSX 10.6 preview (possibly called Snow Leopard)
6. New version of Safari for both Windows and OSX

And here is the rumour that just won't go away....

7. OSX for Windows

(Could this be the real reason behind the twin Bay bridges? No, it's about OSX for Mac and iPhone, but you never know)

And one more thing...

8. New MacBook Pro

Will MacBook Touch / Newton 2 device show? Too close to call. I say probably not.

And the keyword here is "expects."

Geez. People repeat things so much on these forums that they get taken for fact. And what does #7 even mean?
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post #8 of 76
6/6/08 at 12:43pm
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That's a pretty good summary.

Except #7 will not occur under any circumstances. Apple is both a hardware AND a software company. Part of Apple's success in stability, user experience, security, etc. is the fact that they have complete control over their software, what hardware it runs on, and the hardware itself.

#8 This makes sense because of the back to school shopping season, but Apple did a minor refresh to the MacBook Pro line a short while ago and there are also no signs that the current line is nearing EOL status. I'd say an update to the MacBook Pro is unlikely. Has anybody ordered a MacBook Pro within this past week? Did Apple withhold your oder from Shipment until say... June 9th? MacBook is slightly more likely, but still unlikely. So called "Newton 2" (an apple tablet) is conceivable because of the emphasis on the mobil platform, but I still think it's unlikely.

I'm not one that thinks the Cinema Displays NEED to be updated, but they certainly could be, and the timings right.

IMO, an updated MBP is more likely than MB. I say this because Intel's chip delays are in part due to the chip w/ integrated graphics which the MB uses but the MBP doesn't. I hope both are announced there, but that seems unlikely. I'm still hoping for a MBP update.
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post #9 of 76
6/6/08 at 1:31pm
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7. iPhone socks limited edition.

Yes! Finally!

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post #10 of 76
6/6/08 at 1:38pm
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And the keyword here is "expects."

Geez. People repeat things so much on these forums that they get taken for fact. And what does #7 even mean?

I took it as meaning OSX would be available to run on PCs... it could also mean that OSX would be available to run in a virtual machine within Windows.

Neither seem sensible or likely.

Please just give us a MBP redesign.
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post #11 of 76
6/6/08 at 1:45pm
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And the keyword here is "expects."

Indeed. Innovation isn't expected. If it were, it wouldn't be innovation. And innovation *certainly* isn't generated by consensus.

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post #12 of 76
6/6/08 at 1:48pm
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Indeed. Innovation isn't expected. If it were, it wouldn't be innovation. And innovation *certainly* isn't generated by consensus.

"If I'd asked my customers what they'd wanted, they would have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford

Innovation is the improvement of something that already exists, so yes there will be innovation. There will not be 'invention'.

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post #13 of 76
6/6/08 at 1:51pm
What's going to happen:

—OS X iPhone 2.0
—OS X iPhone Apps
—iPhone with 3G
—.Mac name change
—OS X 10.5 Leopard review
—OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard preview

That's all, folks.

Maybe, just maybe, low percentage chance:
New MacBook Pro
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post #14 of 76
6/6/08 at 1:53pm
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What's going to happen:

OS X iPhone 2.0
OS X iPhone Apps
iPhone with 3G
.Mac name change
OS X 10.5 Leopard review
OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard preview

That's all, folks.

Maybe, just maybe, low percentage chance:
New MacBook Pro

Take out Snow Leopard, and I think we have a show.

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post #15 of 76
6/6/08 at 1:57pm
Some things are for sure:

Phone 2.0
OS X iPhone
AppStore
Intro to a few of the new 3rd party iPhone apps

Probable:

10.5 Update at some level for iPhone 2.0
Snow Leopard - and a bit of a chat as to WHY.
.Mac revised

"One More Thing"

What not to bet on:

The xMac

I believe that besides some information on Snow Leopard to get developers moving in that direction most of the Keynote will be iPhone centric. OS X iPhone, AppStore, OS X upgrades to handle iPhone 2.0 and maybe new tie ins with .Mac to make it more attractive.
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post #16 of 76
6/6/08 at 2:00pm
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Innovation is the improvement of something that already exists, so yes there will be innovation. There will not be 'invention'.

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post #17 of 76
6/6/08 at 3:30pm
what we get...

1. iPhone 2.0
2. OSX iPhone 2.0
3.App Store
4.some OSX Leopard new features(10.5.4)

and one more thing..I hope for a Macbook Mini but I m dreaming...
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post #18 of 76
6/6/08 at 3:34pm
First of all, this isn't the UN. Nobody cares about consensus here. Nobody.

This is the most depressing build up to a top tier Mac event I've ever seen.

No 'way beyond' hype from Apple, no real leaks, no faked mockups (iWalk), no silent updates the week before, and not even enough enthusiasm out there to force the creation of a Temporary Insanity forum.

These Mini-loving switchers and iPhone immigrants from the PC world are clearly impacting the Aqua gene pool. I say send them back, and bring back the days of staying up at past midnight to read about the upcoming Docahedron.
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post #19 of 76
6/6/08 at 3:52pm
No new iPhone at WWDC all those "fake" or otherwise, unmarked boxes are for a new Apple mouse, it will have levitational controls that you operate by thinking about how much you love S.P.Jobs.

There will of course be s software update for leopard AND Tiger so that the new mouse will work when you think about how much you love J.Ives

sadly it will be Intel 65bit ONLY!

also a new Apple line of TVs these will be analogue in sizes from a massive 22" up to an AMAZING 26" you will be able to view content ...

... with your eyes!

BOOM!!

one more thing

Apple will be opening new coffee shops and will be rolling out these new Genius beans WORLD WIDE! .. are you getting this?
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post #20 of 76
6/6/08 at 4:01pm
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First of all, this isn't the UN. Nobody cares about consensus here. Nobody.

This is the most depressing build up to a top tier Mac event I've ever seen.

I agree. It's a pretty safe bet that there will be lots of iPhone news. The 2.0 firmware, App Store, maybe 3G.

Anything else is just people fantasizing. Of course, some of it is bound to be right, so the cycle will continue.
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post #21 of 76
6/6/08 at 4:09pm
I have a queston...When did it begin to circulate that Safari wold be significantly updated at WWDC? Considering it's a "consensus", this is the first I've heard of it.

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post #22 of 76
6/6/08 at 4:20pm
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7. OSX for Windows

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post #23 of 76
6/6/08 at 4:24pm
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Some things are for sure:

Phone 2.0
OS X iPhone
AppStore
Intro to a few of the new 3rd party iPhone apps

Probable:

10.5 Update at some level for iPhone 2.0
Snow Leopard - and a bit of a chat as to WHY.
.Mac revised

"One More Thing"

What not to bet on:

The xMac

I believe that besides some information on Snow Leopard to get developers moving in that direction most of the Keynote will be iPhone centric. OS X iPhone, AppStore, OS X upgrades to handle iPhone 2.0 and maybe new tie ins with .Mac to make it more attractive.


I remember when the above 450MHz G4 was for sure. FOR 3 YEARS.

Although I don't think anything is "for sure", I do think your guess is at lest reasonably minded.
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6/6/08 at 4:28pm
The two bridges are the Mac and the iPhone. Duh!?
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post #25 of 76
6/6/08 at 4:32pm
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Indeed. Innovation isn't expected. If it were, it wouldn't be innovation. And innovation *certainly* isn't generated by consensus.

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Didn't Karl Benz build the first car?
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post #26 of 76
6/6/08 at 4:53pm
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The Brilliance of tailpipe never ceases to amaze me. An operating system for an operating system... What will you dream up next? A Mac for PC?

Sorry, I should have said OSX for non-MAc PCs. You get my drift!
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6/6/08 at 5:01pm
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Sorry, I should have said OSX for non-MAc PCs. You get my drift!

Oh, you're drifting, alright.
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post #28 of 76
6/6/08 at 5:31pm
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Did you have to search hard for a hair that fine to split?

No. Thankfully the hairs grow pretty thick here.

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6/6/08 at 5:32pm
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Didn't Karl Benz build the first car?

Yes, but Ford had better PR.

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6/6/08 at 8:32pm
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The two bridges are the Mac and the iPhone. Duh!?

More specifically, (if that spy photo of the banners is real) the bridges are OS X and its apps for the Mac and for the iPhone.
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6/6/08 at 10:28pm
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More specifically, (if that spy photo of the banners is real) the bridges are OS X and its apps for the Mac and for the iPhone.

The Mac and iPhone platforms.
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6/6/08 at 10:31pm
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Yes, but Ford had better PR.

I don't see why pink runners has anything to do with this?
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6/6/08 at 10:33pm
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post #34 of 76
6/7/08 at 8:49am
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I have a queston...When did it begin to circulate that Safari wold be significantly updated at WWDC? Considering it's a "consensus", this is the first I've heard of it.

There is a security flaw in the latest version of Safari for Windows. It has to be updated, or no one will risk using it.
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6/7/08 at 9:00am
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There is a security flaw in the latest version of Safari for Windows. It has to be updated, or no one will risk using it.

So what does that have to do with WWDC? You really think Steve is going to take his precious time to unveil a bug fix for Safari? Don't think so. The patch will come out when it's ready. If that happens to be on Monday, great... but I really don't think it's exactly something that you can count on showing up in the keynote.

A mention of Safari during Steve's time on stage would be for a major new release... and there hasn't been anything in the vapors about that.
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6/7/08 at 12:10pm
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So what does that have to do with WWDC? You really think Steve is going to take his precious time to unveil a bug fix for Safari? Don't think so. The patch will come out when it's ready. If that happens to be on Monday, great... but I really don't think it's exactly something that you can count on showing up in the keynote.

A mention of Safari during Steve's time on stage would be for a major new release... and there hasn't been anything in the vapors about that.

Exactly. This Safari talk is nonsense.
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6/7/08 at 12:57pm
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The Mac and iPhone platforms.

Well... yeah. It is the same thing, I suppose.
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post #38 of 76
6/7/08 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by Tailpipe View Post

Okay, Ladies & Gentlemen, before everyone loses the plot I thought it might be helpful to summarize expectations for Monday based on a consensus of what everyone is saying.

1. 3G iPhone with video calling, GPS and 32 Gb
2. OSX iPhone 2.0
3. .Mac rebranded and repackaged to offer new functionality (possibly called .me)
4. OSX 10.5.4
5. OSX 10.6 preview (possibly called Snow Leopard)
6. New version of Safari for both Windows and OSX

And here is the rumour that just won't go away....

7. OSX for Windows

(Could this be the real reason behind the twin Bay bridges? No, it's about OSX for Mac and iPhone, but you never know)

And one more thing...

8. New MacBook Pro

Will MacBook Touch / Newton 2 device show? Too close to call. I say probably not.


@Tailpipe: You have absolutely no clue as to what will happen. Why do you create these prediction posts when you are always wrong?

Are you trying to restore your credibility?

All that you have stated has been swirling around the internet for some time.

As for the new MBP, it will not happen at WWDC.....will be at a separate event in July/August. Besides....when was he last time Apple had "one more thing?"
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post #39 of 76
6/7/08 at 1:32pm
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Tailpipe: You have absolutely no clue as to what will happen. Why do you create these prediction posts when you are always wrong?

He does it because they get lots of replies.
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6/7/08 at 2:47pm
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Besides....when was he last time Apple had "one more thing?"

MacBook Air.

http://cultofmac.com/just-one-more-thing-timeline/2052

Wait...Was that a "one more thing"?

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No...No, it wasn't. Damn you Cult of Mac

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