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post #1 of 40
6/9/08 at 3:18pm
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post #2 of 40
6/9/08 at 3:36pm
I would guess there'll be an announcement in July, maybe August about new MBs/MBPs. Probably a few weeks after the iphone launch. Sucks because I'll need one by the beginning of August. I'm debating whether to buy now or wait til mid-late july.
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post #3 of 40
6/9/08 at 3:49pm
What's the betting people will wait til August and then we'll get another cr*p speed bump.

Bored and looking for something better. There comes a point where this stuff starts feeling like spousal abuse. The love's worn too thin to last.
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post #4 of 40
6/9/08 at 4:02pm
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What's the betting people will wait til August and then we'll get another cr*p speed bump.

Bored and looking for something better. There comes a point where this stuff starts feeling like spousal abuse. The love's worn too thin to last.


THANK YOU! I'm really tired of people bashing others for wanting a redesign. The current one has been around for YEARS. It's time for something new. I have been waiting and waiting for something to make me take the plunge.

Since when did Apple, Inc become Apple iPhone, Inc?

Last I checked Apple has THREE parts now. Mac, Music and iPhone. Why nothing for the other two?
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post #5 of 40
6/9/08 at 4:16pm
Hey TailPipe.


Thanks for getting my hopes up about the MacBook Pro.

You and your BS "knowledgeable" comments made me waste a month on my stupid Vaio with today circled on my Calendar.


Great job. If Apple goes under, it's your fault.

I am no longer your fan. Good Day, Sir.


I said Good Day!
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post #6 of 40
6/9/08 at 5:12pm
Oh boo-hoo . Look at the Mac Pro, it's still in a box from 2003!

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post #7 of 40
6/9/08 at 6:37pm
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Hey TailPipe.

Great job. If Apple goes under, it's your fault.

Yeah, cos he's that influential

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post #8 of 40
6/9/08 at 6:39pm
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Hey TailPipe.


Thanks for getting my hopes up about the MacBook Pro.

You and your BS "knowledgeable" comments made me waste a month on my stupid Vaio with today circled on my Calendar.


Great job. If Apple goes under, it's your fault.

I am no longer your fan. Good Day, Sir.


I said Good Day!

Tailpipe's just a guesser like the rest of us, but with an twist of fantasist . Best ignored.

Call me cynical, but I don't think there'll be another MBP redesign for at least three years when even its mass market and core business users start keeling over with boredom. Jobs probably thinks the Air is enough to satisfy cool hunters and anyone wanting a new form and function will prioritise one or the other. He's probably right. The faddish gadget mags have uniformly praised the Air for its form factor without mentioning its limited functionality and the MBP is seen by most who use it as a practical and well-designed workhorse.

It's obvious Apple have stopped trying to create "ultimate" machines and are now making 'puters with just enough (and no more than necessary) magic to appeal to the everyman. For a company that seemingly surfed on idealism and innovation for many years that's kinda sad, but then it's only the kind of cash-driven, baseine capitalist decision-making you'd expect of any multi-billion dollar business.

Apple isn't what it was to a lot of early adopters, but now it's something else to more people. A shame, but we all move on, and no doubt so will certain users.

Don't you ever wish Woz had set up his own offshoot? I certainly do.
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post #9 of 40
6/9/08 at 11:57pm
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It's obvious Apple have stopped trying to create "ultimate" machines and are now making 'puters with just enough (and no more than necessary) magic to appeal to the everyman. For a company that seemingly surfed on idealism and innovation for many years that's kinda sad, but then it's only the kind of cash-driven, baseine capitalist decision-making you'd expect of any multi-billion dollar business.

Actually, I feel Apple is still trying to make "ultimate" machines, just with more focus on power/components instead of design. Remember the ?PC Computer? speed test article that suggested a Mac was the fastest available Windows machine. Seems likely that article brought a wee smile to Mr Jobs face, yes?

As a MBP owner (first 1.83ghz RevD model, and now Penryn 2.4ghz), I feel the casing and form factor are pretty much perfect. ie: It'd be hard to improve, aside from making it lighter and more scratch resistant. No doubt Apple will come up with some reason for innovation, but in the meantime, I'm hardly bored with the design. Then again, I use my computers for work, not just play, so practical performance/features are paramount for me. Just two cents from the other side of the perspective fence.
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post #10 of 40
6/10/08 at 12:11am
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Actually, I feel Apple is still trying to make "ultimate" machines, just with more focus on power/components instead of design. Remember the ?PC Computer? speed test article that suggested a Mac was the fastest available Windows machine. Seems likely that article brought a wee smile to Mr Jobs face, yes?

As a MBP owner (first 1.83ghz RevD model, and now Penryn 2.4ghz), I feel the casing and form factor are pretty much perfect. ie: It'd be hard to improve, aside from making it lighter and more scratch resistant. No doubt Apple will come up with some reason for innovation, but in the meantime, I'm hardly bored with the design. Then again, I use my computers for work, not just play, so practical performance/features are paramount for me. Just two cents from the other side of the perspective fence.


You're confirming my point really: Jobs is riding on the idea people will either go for function (current MBP) or the old 'think different' ethos, (ie: the Air), but no longer can you get em in the same package.

It's middle-of-the-road marketing for middle-of-the-road consumers, but that's ok. Another company will come along and innovate all over Apple and that'll be the end of that because every year Apple smugly churn out the same old b*lls is another nail in the cross-of-hype that selling yourself on being an industry maverick creates.

That's not a value judgement, it's just how I see Apple's marketing strategy and place in the PC market (no irony intended.)
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post #11 of 40
6/10/08 at 4:19am
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You're confirming my point really: Jobs is riding on the idea people will either go for function (current MBP) or the old 'think different' ethos, (ie: the Air), but no longer can you get em in the same package.

It's middle-of-the-road marketing for middle-of-the-road consumers, but that's ok. Another company will come along and innovate all over Apple and that'll be the end of that because every year Apple smugly churn out the same old b*lls is another nail in the cross-of-hype that selling yourself on being an industry maverick creates.

That's not a value judgement, it's just how I see Apple's marketing strategy and place in the PC market (no irony intended.)

I see it differently. Apple computers still appear to be the best looking machines out there. They don't appear as middle of the road to me. Also, there are judgments to be made on where to put resources. Apple has poured a lot into OS X and is there anyone here who would trade that for Vista? Spending money for the sake of change is a poorer use of resources than spending money for the sake of improvement.
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post #12 of 40
6/10/08 at 4:39am
I too am very disappointed that the new MBP didn't show at WWDC.

It is frustrating to see the iPhone getting so much love while the core profit engine for Apple: notebook computers is left lagging in the dark ages.

However, we knew that the new MacBook Pro's launch schedule had been disrupted by the late arrival of Centrino 2 (Montevina), but hoped that Apple would be unaffected by this since its machines do not use the full Centrino chipset. Obviously, the supply problem is a bigger issue than we thought.

The problem isn't that Centrino 2 is late. It's REALLY late. It was supposed to debut in May. Now it isn't expected until mid-July. The late arrival of Penryn in February was another factor that screwed product cycles. The refresh of the MBP was supposed to happen around MacWorld in January. So, please guys, blame Intel not me.

BUT...

The bottom line is a new MaBook Pro is coming. It is going to be great, so hang in there.

It is way overdue for a proper update. (It's the only Apple computer that doesn't use the new keyboard design and it is much thicker and heavier than it needs to be given new chip designs.)

New MacBooks are on the way too.

So keep the faith and don't buy a Sony VAIO with VISTA in the meantime; you know you'll regret it.

Of course, I'm a guesser like the rest of us. That's why I enjoy this site. Guessing is fun. I just try to make my speculation as informed as possible by different perspectives.
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post #13 of 40
6/10/08 at 7:30am
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I too am very disappointed that the new MBP didn't show at WWDC.

It is frustrating to see the iPhone getting so much love while the core profit engine for Apple: notebook computers is left lagging in the dark ages.

However, we knew that the new MacBook Pro's launch schedule had been disrupted by the late arrival of Centrino 2 (Montevina), but hoped that Apple would be unaffected by this since its machines do not use the full Centrino chipset. Obviously, the supply problem is a bigger issue than we thought.

The problem isn't that Centrino 2 is late. It's REALLY late. It was supposed to debut in May. Now it isn't expected until mid-July. The late arrival of Penryn in February was another factor that screwed product cycles. The refresh of the MBP was supposed to happen around MacWorld in January. So, please guys, blame Intel not me.

BUT...

The bottom line is a new MaBook Pro is coming. It is going to be great, so hang in there.

It is way overdue for a proper update. (It's the only Apple computer that doesn't use the new keyboard design and it is much thicker and heavier than it needs to be given new chip designs.)

New MacBooks are on the way too.

So keep the faith and don't buy a Sony VAIO with VISTA in the meantime; you know you'll regret it.

Of course, I'm a guesser like the rest of us. That's why I enjoy this site. Guessing is fun. I just try to make my speculation as informed as possible by different perspectives.




awww how can I stay mad at you?


Last night I nearly purchased a Macbook just for the damned iTouch they're throwing at people. If I don't hear anything about a new Macbook by the time the new iphone is released, I'm going to just get the Perryn.

It's been like, a billion years since the last update of the Macbook. I mean, it's still plastic for Christ's sake.

Why didn't Jobs just get up there and say "yeah...new comps by August...look forward to it..." unless they WEREN'T going out.

Apple Stocks FELL yesterday like 3-4%. They would have RISEN that much had he just said Macbook" and walked off the stage.

I'm beginning to think that they weren't coming until next week.
Is this poor reasoning?

APPLEINSIDER doesn't even care of waht I'm going through.
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post #14 of 40
6/10/08 at 7:38pm
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Originally Posted by Nikeddemus View Post

Why didn't Jobs just get up there and say "yeah...new comps by August...look forward to it..." unless they WEREN'T going out.

Because they wouldn't sell much for the next 2 months if he had

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6/10/08 at 7:51pm
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awww how can I stay mad at you?


Apple Stocks FELL yesterday like 3-4%. They would have RISEN that much had he just said Macbook" and walked off the stage.


I'm beginning to think that they weren't coming until next week.
Is this poor reasoning?

APPLEINSIDER doesn't even care of waht I'm going through.


I know exactly how you feel. It's all iPhone this and iPhone that.

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Apple Inc. (formerly-and-clearly-no-longer Apple Computer Inc.) proudly announces the obliteration of any computer-related product from its catalog. Going forward, the laptop computer formerly known as the "MacBook Air" will be known as the "iPhone Maxi"*. And the segment-dominating laptop computers formerly known as the "MacBook" and "MacBook Pro" will be renamed the "iPhone Big-n-Bulky"* and "iPhone Bigger-n-Bulkier"*.

*iPhone cell phone functionality not included.
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(added for citation purposes only).


Anyone think there might be SOMETHING done with the MB or MBP before August?
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post #16 of 40
6/11/08 at 2:30am
Just check out Engadget and you can see a slew of new computers scheduled for a mid-July release. HP, Lenovo and Dell all have new machines ready to go when Intel has finished screwing around with Montevina. Apple has to release something around that time for fear of losing sales.

If, for some crazy reason, Apple doesn't change the case designs of its laptops, a chip refresh is still due anyway around July/ August. So now probably isn't a good time to buy. Penryn was a big change for Intel and it is clearly taking time to get these chips right. I suspect that next Penryn iteration will make a good chip even better.

As someone else very wisely pointed out, the best reason to get a Mac isn't one of intel's chips, but OS 10.5. That is already perfect. So if you need a machine today...
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post #17 of 40
6/11/08 at 3:49am


New mock up of how the new MBP should look like. white keys FTW!
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6/11/08 at 5:13am
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Just check out Engadget and you can see a slew of new computers scheduled for a mid-July release. HP, Lenovo and Dell all have new machines ready to go when Intel has finished screwing around with Montevina. Apple has to release something around that time for fear of losing sales.

If, for some crazy reason, Apple doesn't change the case designs of its laptops, a chip refresh is still due anyway around July/ August. So now probably isn't a good time to buy. Penryn was a big change for Intel and it is clearly taking time to get these chips right. I suspect that next Penryn iteration will make a good chip even better.

As someone else very wisely pointed out, the best reason to get a Mac isn't one of intel's chips, but OS 10.5. That is already perfect. So if you need a machine today...

As I think you are alluding to, just because HP, Dell, and Levovo have said they are coming out with new computers in the next couple month (while Apple hasn't), doesn't mean Apple won't come out with new computers in the same time frame.

Particularly in the case of Dell and Lenovo, many of their customers simply order what is currently shipping. Announcements by those manufacturers of new machines makes no difference to a good chunk of their clientele. Apple customers more typically are consumers making choices for themselves who pay much closer attention to product cycles, announcements, etc. Of all the significant computer makers, Apple stands the most to lose by getting too far out in front of what they can ship.
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post #19 of 40
6/11/08 at 11:52am
TAILPIPE IS WRONG AGAIN
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6/11/08 at 12:15pm
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As I think you are alluding to, just because HP, Dell, and Levovo have said they are coming out with new computers in the next couple month (while Apple hasn't), doesn't mean Apple won't come out with new computers in the same time frame.

Particularly in the case of Dell and Lenovo, many of their customers simply order what is currently shipping. Announcements by those manufacturers of new machines makes no difference to a good chunk of their clientele. Apple customers more typically are consumers making choices for themselves who pay much closer attention to product cycles, announcements, etc. Of all the significant computer makers, Apple stands the most to lose by getting too far out in front of what they can ship.

Hasn't Apple typically released updated computers about 1-2 months after PC manufacturers (in the case of Intel chip updates)?
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post #21 of 40
6/11/08 at 12:17pm
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New mock up of how the new MBP should look like. white keys FTW!

Add in the perforated speaker grills on the sides of the keyboard and you might have something there.
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6/11/08 at 1:19pm
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Add in the perforated speaker grills on the sides of the keyboard and you might have something there.



the only problem with that is the keys couldnt be backlight
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post #23 of 40
6/11/08 at 1:22pm
There should be a new macbook pro in August. It is going to have the montevina platform, larger touchpad and redesigned exterior, at minimum.

I would rather shoot my balls than buy a sony vaio or any other PC craptop.
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post #24 of 40
6/12/08 at 6:44am
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There should be a new macbook pro in August. It is going to have the montevina platform, larger touchpad and redesigned exterior, at minimum.

I would rather shoot my balls than buy a sony vaio or any other PC craptop.

Ha!

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He thinks I'll wait until August...

...I'll show him by waiting until September!
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post #25 of 40
6/12/08 at 7:04am
I don't think well have to wait past July, at least for the MacBook Pro.

We know the reason for the delay: FCC approval. This was always a show stopper in terms of release timing. Intel has told us that Centrino 2 will be good to go by July 14th. What was the point of announcing a new MacBook Pro now if it wasn't going to be sold for another month? It would have just killed sales of existing products.

Much better to keep everyone guessing by saying nothing. Those of us who need a computer today, will simply go and buy one. Those of us waiting for the next generation will simply have to stew in our own juice for a bit longer.

For sure, the Apple laptop line-up needs a bit of love. I believe that love is on the way to us not just only in terms of a new MBP, but also new MacBooks and a revised MacBook Air.

Given that the form factor of MacBook Pro and MacBook laptops is changing, and that Apple doesn't change things unless there is a darn good reason (q.v. iPhone 3G), we really should expect something amazing.

And, if all this isn't enough to get your juices flowing, remember that come September, a whole bunch of new iPods will come flying in our general direction too.
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post #26 of 40
6/12/08 at 8:37am
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Hasn't Apple typically released updated computers about 1-2 months after PC manufacturers (in the case of Intel chip updates)?

No, if you're referring to the Penryn MB's and MBP's, PC manufacturers anounced them earlier, but then it still took weeks if not months to get them to the consumers in decent quantities. Apple announced theirs a bit later, but they were available IMMEDIATELY EVERYWHERE.

Probably the same will happen with Montevina. Some Montevina laptops have already been announced I believe... bad marketing imo.
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post #27 of 40
6/12/08 at 9:59pm
Re: the release date. I can't help but feel that if apple was going to wait a significant amount of time after the release of new penryns & chipsets they would've done something to encourage more waiters to buy now. They know how many people are following the montevina launch (or maybe there aren't that many, I could just have a skewed perspective) and if new laptops weren't coming out till september or later, they'd probably still have MBP ads on the front page and such (since the product would still be mid-cycle.

Also echoing the idea that the iphone-centric wwdc was possibly due to the fact that an intended laptop update got pushed back because of intel's delay. Sure Tailpipe went out on a limb, but not without decent reason, I think.

If a mid-july launch is coming, when should we be hearing buzzing in the rumour community? The beginning of July?

As much as I enjoy this speculation, I can't wait until macrumors and appleinsider aren't the first webpages I check in the morning! \
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post #28 of 40
6/13/08 at 6:02am
The earliest hints of a new release are usually when stocks of existing models start dwindling and new model numbers start appearing in retailer inventory systems -- keep an eye on the delivery times for MBP purchases on apple.com (usually when it hits anything more than a week for a non-custom build, something's up), and lets hope our friends at Best Buy or other retailers give us a heads up when new model numbers show up in their systems.

As they say, the waiting is the hardest part ...
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post #29 of 40
6/13/08 at 4:38pm
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As they say, the waiting is the hardest part ...

Yes, but when you hold it is for a long long time the result could be a continuous and overflowing stream of tantric orgasms.
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post #30 of 40
6/22/08 at 5:51pm
If Steve Jobs does not announce a new MBP by mid-August I think I'll have a nervous breakdown. I'm seriously pissed that they didn't introduce one at WWDC and the fact that there's lately been no news on Apple updating their notebook lines only makes me more angry.

If they don't hurry up, I'm gonna end up buying the anti-christ of computers ( DELL ).
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post #31 of 40
6/22/08 at 7:19pm
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Originally Posted by aaple View Post

I would guess there'll be an announcement in July, maybe August about new MBs/MBPs. Probably a few weeks after the iphone launch. Sucks because I'll need one by the beginning of August. I'm debating whether to buy now or wait til mid-late july.

Dude, I just bought a MBP two days ago...and I'm so happy. I was in the exact same position as you.

It's cool having the newest thing on the block, but the quad-core hsould be coming out in late 09, and I'm going to buy another MBP after I sell mine...that's going to be the TRUE difference between the current MBP and the "next generation" MBP which isn't going to be signified by a new case.
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6/22/08 at 7:27pm
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Tailpipe's just a guesser like the rest of us, but with an twist of fantasist . Best ignored.

Call me cynical, but I don't think there'll be another MBP redesign for at least three years when even its mass market and core business users start keeling over with boredom. Jobs probably thinks the Air is enough to satisfy cool hunters and anyone wanting a new form and function will prioritise one or the other. He's probably right. The faddish gadget mags have uniformly praised the Air for its form factor without mentioning its limited functionality and the MBP is seen by most who use it as a practical and well-designed workhorse.

It's obvious Apple have stopped trying to create "ultimate" machines and are now making 'puters with just enough (and no more than necessary) magic to appeal to the everyman. For a company that seemingly surfed on idealism and innovation for many years that's kinda sad, but then it's only the kind of cash-driven, baseine capitalist decision-making you'd expect of any multi-billion dollar business.

Apple isn't what it was to a lot of early adopters, but now it's something else to more people. A shame, but we all move on, and no doubt so will certain users.

Don't you ever wish Woz had set up his own offshoot? I certainly do.

Wah!
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post #33 of 40
6/22/08 at 7:28pm
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Originally Posted by xc3ll View Post

If Steve Jobs does not announce a new MBP by mid-August I think I'll have a nervous breakdown. I'm seriously pissed that they didn't introduce one at WWDC and the fact that there's lately been no news on Apple updating their notebook lines only makes me more angry.

If they don't hurry up, I'm gonna end up buying the anti-christ of computers ( DELL ).

if your that weak, who needs ya?
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6/23/08 at 3:17am
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if your that weak, who needs ya?

Nah, let him. As long as he doesn't winge about it here

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post #35 of 40
6/23/08 at 8:00am
What percentage of Mac users think about new upgrades? I didn't until I joined this forum. Several of my family members have Macs and do NOT think about when the new upgrades are coming out.
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post #36 of 40
6/23/08 at 8:27am
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What percentage of Mac users think about new upgrades? I didn't until I joined this forum. Several of my family members have Macs and do NOT think about when the new upgrades are coming out.

Not even 5%. And that's being generous.
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6/23/08 at 8:44am
Less than 5%. Probably all or most are forum members or at least surf AI and other Mac forums.
It's no wonder why Jobs ignores our pleas
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6/23/08 at 9:19am
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I know exactly how you feel. It's all iPhone this and iPhone that.

Found this on a Blog:
Apple Inc. (formerly-and-clearly-no-longer Apple Computer Inc.) proudly announces the obliteration of any computer-related product from its catalog. Going forward, the laptop computer formerly known as the "MacBook Air" will be known as the "iPhone Maxi"*. And the segment-dominating laptop computers formerly known as the "MacBook" and "MacBook Pro" will be renamed the "iPhone Big-n-Bulky"* and "iPhone Bigger-n-Bulkier"*.

As a longtime Apple user, these comments remind me of the twilight of the Apple II family in benefit of the Mac family...there was even an "Apple II Forever" movement, and I still have the A+ magazine containing John Sculley's open letter to Apple II users, where he stated the willingness to continually support the Apple II for years to come (Apple //e card included for the Mac LC, of course)..!

What if the Mac is dead in a few years and the new Apple computer line is called Peaches? I don't really care, as long as it's a sign of computing evolution and progress...

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6/25/08 at 7:29am
Will Apple ditch DVI in favor of HDMI or DisplayPort?
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post #40 of 40
6/25/08 at 8:23am
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the only problem with that is the keys couldnt be backlight

...because?
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