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I think that many buyers simply want a MacBook Air with a DVD drive, all the necessary ports, and a decent GPU - think MacBook Pro 13".

I don't care about an optical drive. That can remain external as with my current MacBook Air. I've used the optical drive only once. My ideal would be a MacBook Air Pro with 13" 2560x1600 resolution, low-power GPU, 4GB DDR3 RAM, Montevina, and a slightly faster CPU.

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I think it would be interesting to have that high of a resolution on a 15", but I'm curious...isn't that way too small?? Have you used a 15" with that resolution? How was it if you did? I'm just curious, I would think the text/everything would be unbelievably tiny.

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post #122 of 190
Well, in less than two weeks, Montevina should become official. With that said, a question: Seeing that the specification was complete but simply held up because of a clerical error, is the production of Montevina in full swing awaiting approval? I ask this with the thought that if it were being produced behind the scenes awaiting approval, that sufficient quantities might be available for Apple to use...as everyone knows there's this lag time between when Intel announces and Apple uses...
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This is true, but if you look at the macrumors buyer's guide, you'll see the only time when they seem to break the regular cycle of updates is when they introduce a redesign. In these cases, updates seem to come earlier than expected.
Nevertheless you do bring up a good reason not to be surprised at an october update :s

That's what many of us are hoping for, a fresh redesign. A bit off topic, seeing other Montevina laptop competitions are in full swing, can't help to imagine what Apple has to offer:

Montevina Sony FW (16.4") Leaked Pictures, More

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Well, in less than two weeks, Montevina should become official. With that said, a question: Seeing that the specification was complete but simply held up because of a clerical error, is the production of Montevina in full swing awaiting approval? I ask this with the thought that if it were being produced behind the scenes awaiting approval, that sufficient quantities might be available for Apple to use...as everyone knows there's this lag time between when Intel announces and Apple uses...

Besides the clerical error, there was a hold on the integrated video card version due to technical issue, but that should not have affected vendors who plan to offer discrete video card solutions. As you see in the links above from new Sony Montevina releases which are caught in Circuit City page, one would wonder if Montevina laptop shipment are already trickling in as we speak and ready to unleash on July 14th upon Intel make the announcement.
post #124 of 190
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Well, in less than two weeks, Montevina should become official. With that said, a question: Seeing that the specification was complete but simply held up because of a clerical error, is the production of Montevina in full swing awaiting approval? I ask this with the thought that if it were being produced behind the scenes awaiting approval, that sufficient quantities might be available for Apple to use...as everyone knows there's this lag time between when Intel announces and Apple uses...

That's a good point... I'm sure a major factor in the lag times between intel's and apple's launches is supply. I also don't see any reason why intel could not have been manufacturing the new processors and chipsets for the past little while.

Maybe someone who knows more about intel's manufacturing processes could enlighten us a bit...
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Besides the clerical error, there was a hold on the integrated video card version due to technical issue, but that should not have affected vendors who plan to offer discrete video card solutions. As you see in the links above from new Sony Montevina releases which are caught in Circuit City page, one would wonder if Montevina laptop shipment are already trickling in as we speak and ready to unleash on July 14th upon Intel make the announcement.

If the only issues were the clerical error relating to FCC approval and the integrated graphics problem, then the version without integrated graphics has probably been in production for some weeks already and there could be stocks of new MacBooks Pro ready to ship on 14 July. New MacBooks would have to wait on the version with integrated graphics and the MacBook Air would wait for new processors to be released in September.

If there is a 1920x1200 BTO option for the 15" MacBook Pro, then I will buy one.
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post #126 of 190
Apple won't release the MBP until the very end of July, otherwise latest mid-August. iPhone 3G stuff in just 1 week, it's frickin crazy. IMO.
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That's what many of us are hoping for, a fresh redesign. A bit off topic, seeing other Montevina laptop competitions are in full swing, can't help to imagine what Apple has to offer:

Montevina Sony FW (16.4") Leaked Pictures, More

Besides the clerical error, there was a hold on the integrated video card version due to technical issue, but that should not have affected vendors who plan to offer discrete video card solutions. As you see in the links above from new Sony Montevina releases which are caught in Circuit City page, one would wonder if Montevina laptop shipment are already trickling in as we speak and ready to unleash on July 14th upon Intel make the announcement.

Somehow those pictures don't do it for me. For me, this is still the best pro/prosumer laptop ever made.



I know in my heard Jon Ives is going to create a masterpiece of pro mobile performance and release it by the end of August.
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Somehow those pictures don't do it for me. For me, this is still the best pro/prosumer laptop ever made.

Until it's three years old and a screen hinge snaps.
post #129 of 190
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I don't care about an optical drive. That can remain external as with my current MacBook Air. I've used the optical drive only once. My ideal would be a MacBook Air Pro with 13" 2560x1600 resolution, low-power GPU, 4GB DDR3 RAM, Montevina, and a slightly faster CPU.


Resolution Independence!

I just read up on Resolution Independence, and now I do want the higher resolution. I've always wondered when they were going to get that problem solved! When that happens there will be only benefits to having a higher resolution.
post #130 of 190
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That's what many of us are hoping for, a fresh redesign. A bit off topic, seeing other Montevina laptop competitions are in full swing, can't help to imagine what Apple has to offer:

Montevina Sony FW (16.4") Leaked Pictures, More

Besides the clerical error, there was a hold on the integrated video card version due to technical issue, but that should not have affected vendors who plan to offer discrete video card solutions. As you see in the links above from new Sony Montevina releases which are caught in Circuit City page, one would wonder if Montevina laptop shipment are already trickling in as we speak and ready to unleash on July 14th upon Intel make the announcement.

Yeah, I'm kind of curious about all of this. Intel says certain processors will be "available on July 14th" which could mean suppliers are getting them before that day and by available they mean to the public. I'm assuming that's the case, well...hoping that is haha. I'm really excited for this Montevina MBP to come out. I would be happy with whatever video card they put in there, as long as it's at least slightly faster than the current card.

If anyone wants to see videos on what the current Macbook Pro's video card can handle, go to youtube and search for the user "Soldierknowsbest". He has videos on about everything on the MBP and they're very helpful/useful.
post #131 of 190
I couldn't wait any longer so just bought a 20" iMac and am delighted with it. That said, if a new MacBook Pro does put in an appearance, my kids are going to get an unexpected present and I shall get me one.

Apple's design seems to be getting better and better with each new product. The sheer minimalist excellence of it never fails to amaze me. I am confident that any brand new MacBook Pro is going to be superlative. It will be the hottest item this Xmas, assuming it arrives. I slobber like a coonhound in a dog house filled with several bitches on heat just thinking about it.

I just want it to weigh as little as possible, have an inbuilt DVD drive, and a 15" LED screen at the highest possible resolution and 5 hours+ battery life would be great.

Surely, it can't be more than a month away?
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Yeah, I'm kind of curious about all of this. Intel says certain processors will be "available on July 14th" which could mean suppliers are getting them before that day and by available they mean to the public. I'm assuming that's the case, well...hoping that is haha. I'm really excited for this Montevina MBP to come out. I would be happy with whatever video card they put in there, as long as it's at least slightly faster than the current card.

If anyone wants to see videos on what the current Macbook Pro's video card can handle, go to youtube and search for the user "Soldierknowsbest". He has videos on about everything on the MBP and they're very helpful/useful.

Great link I can't wait for my MBP MONTEVINA redesigned come onnnnnnnnn in a few weeks time please Apple.
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I just read up on Resolution Independence, and now I do want the higher resolution. I've always wondered when they were going to get that problem solved! When that happens there will be only benefits to having a higher resolution.

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post #134 of 190
Until graphics chips start supporting more than 1600x2560 it won't be possible to increase the res on the 30" screen. It's a problem that may hold up RI for a while. Sure wish ATI and nVidia would get on that...\
post #135 of 190
I don't remember what happened last go round. What happened to existing stockpiles of the current model? Were they sold at discount to flush out the surplus?

I had planned on ordering a 2.4 MBP today but have been on the fence for a week wondering if the next rev base level might not be parallel to the existing 2.6. I really like the current design and have almost pulled the trigger a couple of times...
post #136 of 190
So the question is, how much longer do you speculate the MB release after the MBP release?

I am a student going off to college and I would like to have my MB before I leave (the 23rd of August), do you think they will be ready by then?
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Until graphics chips start supporting more than 1600x2560 it won't be possible to increase the res on the 30" screen. It's a problem that may hold up RI for a while. Sure wish ATI and nVidia would get on that...\

The resolution limit is a function of the maximum bandwidth of dual-link DVI. Dual-link DisplayPort will increase that.
post #138 of 190
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I would like to have my MB before I leave (the 23rd of August), do you think they will be ready by then?

No. Not very likely.

It's safe to assume that no new 'books will be introduced in July - simply because July is iPhone 3G month and Apple doesn't want to steal its thunder.
Also we know that Intel is a bit late with the new chips so chances are a July date would mean very contraint supply.

I'd say mid-end August is a chance to see a new MacBook Pro.
While it happened in the past that MacBook Pros and MacBooks have been introduced at the same time, it much more often happened that new MacBooks are introduced a month later. So chances are that you will see new MacBooks in mid-end September at the earliest.

In fact it is more likely that MacBook Pros are introduced in October and MacBooks follow in November than both MacBook Pros and MacBooks being introduced in August together. Apple has a rather long history of introducing new laptops in October (MacBook Pros)/November (MacBooks) with a lesser history of September/October time frames. There is no history yet of an August/September introduction.

Recent 'book introduction times as usual here:
http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#Portable_Macs
post #139 of 190
No idea if there is gonna be a update, but the shear amount of refurbished MBs and MBPs over the past few weeks in the UK Refurb store is a little weird if they aren't just clearing stock. Though could be any numbers of reasons for this.
post #140 of 190
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No. Not very likely.

It's safe to assume that no new 'books will be introduced in July - simply because July is iPhone 3G month and Apple doesn't want to steal its thunder.
Also we know that Intel is a bit late with the new chips so chances are a July date would mean very contraint supply.

I'd say mid-end August is a chance to see a new MacBook Pro.
While it happened in the past that MacBook Pros and MacBooks have been introduced at the same time, it much more often happened that new MacBooks are introduced a month later. So chances are that you will see new MacBooks in mid-end September at the earliest.

In fact it is more likely that MacBook Pros are introduced in October and MacBooks follow in November than both MacBook Pros and MacBooks being introduced in August together. Apple has a rather long history of introducing new laptops in October (MacBook Pros)/November (MacBooks) with a lesser history of September/October time frames. There is no history yet of an August/September introduction.

Recent 'book introduction times as usual here:
http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#Portable_Macs

I'm not sure I agree with your analysis. Apple is trying to shift stocks of MacBooks and MacBook Pros at the moment. We've got college promotional deals and refurb deals. It's subtle but clear. i expect inventory levels to start declining noticeably by late July. We've also got other PC manufacturers announcing new Centrino 2 notebooks and an Intel marketing blitz is coming that will trumpet the virtues of Centrino 2. Further, Microsoft is about to launch a $300 million campaign to lift Vista.

I have no idea when Apple will drop something new in our laps, but I'd be amazed if it was as late as November. I think they'll feel obliged to provide something by the end of August simply to maintain sales momentum. Of course, it may not be a brand new design but simply a speed bump. The end of the college promotional run may be the most obvious indication of when to expect Montevina MacBooks.
post #141 of 190
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Apple would not want to miss the golden opportunity to launch Montevina MB, MBP, MBA when other manufactures are readying on the first day July 14th upon Intel announces the official launch. Apple needed most of its human resource for iPhone 3G for at least the month of July (if you have been following the iPhone related news, people are queuing up several days ahead of launch worldwide!) There are going to be a massive number of sales and transactions for iPhone 3G.

If Apple waited until November, it would be a bit late for Montevina update, since people would be talking about Montevina refresh for Q1 2009. Apple would be best to take advantage of TV ads and marketing opportunity in the month of August (some with Olympic related) to stay focus on mobile computing when Microsoft planned for counter attack on Apple's "Get a Mac" ads, and guess what would be running on the new Centrino 2 Montevina PCs? It's Vista preinstalled!
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In a few more days, we will see Montevina notebook specification all over the web. Here is one of the early leak for 13" Montevina Sony Z series:

* Intel P9500 2.53GHz/6MB 1066FSB
* 13.1" WXGA++ (1600 x 900) LCD with LED
* 4GB DDR2-800
* 320GB
* Multi-format Dual Layer DVD+/-RW
* Nvidia GeForce 9300M GS 256MB
* Wireless 802.11 a/b/g/n
* HDMI, VGA

This specification led to interesting speculation for Montevina MB and MBA specification outlook. Note: This Montevina model used DDR2-800 instead of expected DDR3-1066 (probably due to the current cost of DDR3 SODIMM modules). It also equipped with discrete graphic chip solution, and the first 16:9 ratio 13" LCD panel with HDMI output.

More specification can be found here.
post #143 of 190
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I'm not sure I agree with your analysis. Apple is trying to shift stocks of MacBooks and MacBook Pros at the moment. We've got college promotional deals and refurb deals. It's subtle but clear.

Really? Well, they ALWAYS have educational promotional deals this time of year, and they ALWAYS have refurb deals, year 'round.
post #144 of 190
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In a few more days, we will see Montevina notebook specification all over the web. Here is one of the early leak for 13" Montevina Sony Z series:

* Intel P9500 2.53GHz/6MB 1066FSB
* 13.1" WXGA++ (1600 x 900) LCD with LED
* 4GB DDR2-800
* 320GB
* Multi-format Dual Layer DVD+/-RW
* Nvidia GeForce 9300M GS 256MB
* Wireless 802.11 a/b/g/n
* HDMI, VGA

Apple is very conservative with screen resolution, so I wouldn't bet on it.
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Apple is very conservative with screen resolution, so I wouldn't bet on it.

True. According to Montevina Sony Z series specification, it's also available at lower resolution (1366 x 768) for 13.1" model. If Apple ever decide to move into 16:9 screen, the LCD parts will be available. From the preliminary specification of new Sony Montevina platform, it claimed 6 hours with standard battery, 9 hours with large capacity battery. Hopefully, the newly release MB and MBP battery life will perform equally well or better.
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Lenovo has updated T series with T400/T500 model number. The T500 (15.4" model) will give us an idea what to expect from 15" Montevina MBP.

* Up to Intel® Core2 Duo processor T9600 (2.8GHz, 6MB L2, 1066MHz FSB, 35 watt)
* Up to 200GB / 7200 rpm (optional SSD)
* Up to 8GB 1066MHz DDR3
* DVD-Rom, CD-RW/DVD-Rom, DVD Burner, Blu-ray
* ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 w/256MB (Switchable Graphics)
* Gigabit Ethernet
* Integrated WWAN (with GPS)
* Ultra Wide Band (UWB) (available later in 2008)
* Bluetooth 2.1
* WiMAX (available later in 2008)
* Starting at 6.4 hrs
* Ports: 3\tUSB,\tiEEE 1394a, VGA, microphone/line-in
* Headphone/line-out, DisplayPort and optional DVi-D
* WSXGA+ resolution (1680x1050, 129dpi, 200+ nit)

Official T Series Specification PDF

T series normally geared toward business class mobile platform yet the new T model equipped with Blu-Ray and DisplayPort! Let's see if Apple would be less conservative for Montevina MB/MBP this time around.
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Lenovo has updated T series with T400/T500 model number. The T500 (15.4" model) will give us an idea what to expect from 15" Montevina MBP.

* Up to Intel® Core2 Duo processor T9600 (2.8GHz, 6MB L2, 1066MHz FSB, 35 watt)
* Up to 200GB / 7200 rpm (optional SSD)
* Up to 8GB 1066MHz DDR3
* DVD-Rom, CD-RW/DVD-Rom, DVD Burner, Blu-ray
* ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 w/256MB (Switchable Graphics)
* Gigabit Ethernet
* Integrated WWAN (with GPS)
* Ultra Wide Band (UWB) (available later in 2008)
* Bluetooth 2.1
* WiMAX (available later in 2008)
* Starting at 6.4 hrs
* Ports: 3\tUSB,\tiEEE 1394a, VGA, microphone/line-in
* Headphone/line-out, DisplayPort and optional DVi-D
* WSXGA+ resolution (1680x1050, 129dpi, 200+ nit)

Official T Series Specification PDF

T series normally geared toward business class mobile platform yet the new T model equipped with Blu-Ray and DisplayPort! Let's see if Apple would be less conservative for Montevina MB/MBP this time around.

I think Apple will probably do something similar. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to keep to only 25W parts though. It would allow them to slim the notebook down a little and keep things from getting hot while slightly improving battery life. I doubt they'll include WiMAX or UWB, since no one uses it. Blu-ray and display port would be very nice, but I'm not sure they'd do it. Maybe HDMI. I doubt blu-ray since none of their other computers feature it, and theres no blu-ray players out for the mac anyways.
post #148 of 190
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Lenovo has updated T series with T400/T500 model number. The T500 (15.4" model) will give us an idea what to expect from 15" Montevina MBP.

* Up to Intel® Core2 Duo processor T9600 (2.8GHz, 6MB L2, 1066MHz FSB, 35 watt)
* Up to 200GB / 7200 rpm (optional SSD)
* Up to 8GB 1066MHz DDR3
* DVD-Rom, CD-RW/DVD-Rom, DVD Burner, Blu-ray
* ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 w/256MB (Switchable Graphics)
* Gigabit Ethernet
* Integrated WWAN (with GPS)
* Ultra Wide Band (UWB) (available later in 2008)
* Bluetooth 2.1
* WiMAX (available later in 2008)
* Starting at 6.4 hrs
* Ports: 3\tUSB,\tiEEE 1394a, VGA, microphone/line-in
* Headphone/line-out, DisplayPort and optional DVi-D
* WSXGA+ resolution (1680x1050, 129dpi, 200+ nit)

Official T Series Specification PDF

T series normally geared toward business class mobile platform yet the new T model equipped with Blu-Ray and DisplayPort! Let's see if Apple would be less conservative for Montevina MB/MBP this time around.

WOW Those Thinkpads and Sonys looks quite attractive. If they put the UWB and WiMAX in, I think I will forget MBP and grab one of theirs.

I waited and waited, and still nothing from Apple. It's starting to get frustrating ... \

Sorry guys
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I waited and waited, and still nothing from Apple. It's starting to get frustrating ... \

well i think we have to wait even longer now cuz sony wont be shipping their new notebooks until early august

so i think this implies intel doesnt have enough supply yet and actually i have read somewhere that intel wont have large enough batches ready until early august

so i guess the earliest for apple to release the new ones is early august

another 2 weeksss... dammmmmn it ... feed us with rumours at least AI...!~!!
post #150 of 190
I want blu ray

And what is the best GPU we might see? 9700M GT? HD3850? In the 17" maybe?

Sick of crap GPUs
post #151 of 190
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well i think we have to wait even longer now cuz sony wont be shipping their new notebooks until early august

so i think this implies intel doesnt have enough supply yet and actually i have read somewhere that intel wont have large enough batches ready until early august

so i guess the earliest for apple to release the new ones is early august

another 2 weeksss... dammmmmn it ... feed us with rumours at least AI...!~!!

This seems to be correct. When Intel delayed Montevina, they said they'd have it rolling it in mass quantities by August...Of course, they're talking about Centrino 2...Apple typically doesn't use the entire chipset (they farm out other wi-fi chips, etc).
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Lenovo has updated T series with T400/T500 model number. The T500 (15.4" model) will give us an idea what to expect from 15" Montevina MBP.

[snip]

* WSXGA+ resolution (1680x1050, 129dpi, 200+ nit)

Official T Series Specification PDF

Are technology companies really still referring to monitor resolution in DPI?

(It's pixels per inch, not dots.)

Silly rabbits!!
post #153 of 190
trix are for kids!
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Is it just me, or is anyone else excited about the new MB and MBP packaging? Its sad I know, but Apple do produce an excellent experience with their packaging
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Is it just me, or is anyone else excited about the new MB and MBP packaging? Its sad I know, but Apple do produce an excellent experience with their packaging

Wow we are desperate.
I'll lust over the packaging when Apple finally gets around to announcing them.
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post #156 of 190
Geez Louise,

All the new specs are making me dizzy. I have a first gen MBR C2D and I love it. But faster always seems better after a year or so of daily use.

All these specs also make me feel damn old! It wasn't all that long ago that I sat in a room full of Apple engineers while we speculated on how long it would be before we could get the bus up to a screaming 100MHz.
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Is it just me, or is anyone else excited about the new MB and MBP packaging? Its sad I know, but Apple do produce an excellent experience with their packaging

i'm more excited about the packaging than i am about s*dding montevina.

at this stage any significant and positive change to either the form or function of the MBP would excite me. particularly the reintroduction of the 12" mbp or an air with a practical amount of memory and firewire, but I guess they're both pipedreams.

a montevina speedbump and a slightly modified enclosure are my only guesstimates at this stage.

it's a very long time since apple have churned out a real 'wow' moment. i wish they would again.
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WOW Those Thinkpads and Sonys looks quite attractive. If they put the UWB and WiMAX in, I think I will forget MBP and grab one of theirs.

I waited and waited, and still nothing from Apple. It's starting to get frustrating ... \

Sorry guys

Apple does not pre-announce hardware very often. I would wait until the new chips are available in quantity before giving up on Apple.
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Apple does not pre-announce hardware very often. I would wait until the new chips are available in quantity before giving up on Apple.

They don't pre-announce as much as they used to. The iPhone is one example where they did. Prior to that it was the Xserve Xeon at WWDC in 2006. They didn't ship until mid-October. Going back further, the MacBook Pro announcement at Macworld in 2006...remember the frenzy on when those were going to ship? It was quite the wait, and then Apple bumped the specs on Valentine's Day before they actually shipped one toward the end of February.
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Wow we are desperate.
I'll lust over the packaging when Apple finally gets around to announcing them.

Lol unless I come into a reasonable sum of money soon I won't be buying one, I sell t-shirts online and packaging and creating a memorable experience through that interests me.
Apple does this fairly well, iPhone packaging, MBA packaging etc.

I've always enjoyed opening Apple product boxes up since getting my first iPod

Thought goes into it, its not like a Dell where it comes in an ugly brown box with hardly any colours on it
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