or Connect
AppleInsider › Forums › Mobile › iPhone › TomTom for iPhone lives; Jobs' true health; green iPhone 3G?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

TomTom for iPhone lives; Jobs' true health; green iPhone 3G? - Page 2

post #41 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by roehlstation View Post

No, most aluminum is not recycled, and they don't make aircraft aluminum from Coke cans.

In North America at least, it looks like half the aluminum production comes from recycled material. But it is lower worldwide, abotu 30%.

Plastics are recycled at about 25% or less, depending on type.
post #42 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by gobble gobble View Post

Greenpeace is a real turn-off. They're so intensely self-righteous and intent on publicity that they give environmentalism a bad name. I donate to various environmental causes but GP can go fuck itself.

Sounds like Apple...
post #43 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by GregoriusM View Post

You post a comment like that when someone else is hoping Steve gets better, and that both Steves' efforts has made his life a little better?

And then you expect us to take your other comments about technology, etc. as something we should care about, or evening think comes from someone who gives a damn?

Personally, I'll listen to someone who has at least a caring personality much sooner than I will you from now on.

We are not supposed to attack other posters on this and most other forums, but YOUR post was an attack and WAAAAAAAAAY out of line.

An apology would go a long way. Do I expect it? No. Do I hope it comes? Yes.

Greg

Yeah whatever.
Citing unnamed sources with limited but direct knowledge of the rumoured device - Comedy Insider (Feb 2014)
Reply
Citing unnamed sources with limited but direct knowledge of the rumoured device - Comedy Insider (Feb 2014)
Reply
post #44 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

In North America at least, it looks like half the aluminum production comes from recycled material. But it is lower worldwide, abotu 30%.

Plastics are recycled at about 25% or less, depending on type.

I would doubt that no more than 1/10 0f 1% of all aluminum waste is recycled.
post #45 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by paxman View Post

What I don't get is why so many people get all hot under the collar when Greenpeace raises a point. There is so much crap going on in this world - so why the vitriol when the word Greenpeace is mentioned? We all know the iPhone is used for publicity - so what? If the result is a greener apple then good. If it highlights issues, small as they may be, and reinforces the idea that green thinking should be part of every design decision that takes place, then good. For Greenpeace it just means another headline with their name in it. If the 'attack' results in a debate on the green-ness of the iPhone, then mission accomplished. A debate on the green-ness of the iPhone means a debate on the greening of the IT industry by implication. People thinking about green issues is good thing, regardless. I understand that people jump to the defence of Apple - so do I - but mention Greenpeace and the tone changes.

I will give your position due consideration if you would do one little thing for me please - explain exactly how the iPhone 3G will damage the environment and to what degree that damage will be greater than that caused by a Nokia N95.
post #46 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

I will give your position due consideration if you would do one little thing for me please - explain exactly how the iPhone 3G will damage the environment and to what degree that damage will be greater than that caused by a Nokia N95.
Quote:
We all know the iPhone is used for publicity - so what? If the result is a greener apple then good. If it highlights issues, small as they may be, and reinforces the idea that green thinking should be part of every design decision that takes place, then good. For Greenpeace it just means another headline with their name in it. If the 'attack' results in a debate on the green-ness of the iPhone, then mission accomplished.

Dont be dense. The poster you quoted makes it clear in your quote that Apple is being highlighted for its headline generating power. Everybody knows that, you are not discovering something. HIs post also makes the point: so what. If it helps to make a greener Apple and a greener consumer electronics industry, then it is worth it.
Progress is a comfortable disease
--e.e.c.
Reply
Progress is a comfortable disease
--e.e.c.
Reply
post #47 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bageljoey View Post

Sorry to quote the whole thing, but I thought it was well written and thought out. The small picture is that GP is singling out Apple unfairly and that could hurt our interests in Apple or AAPL--I think that is where some of the vitriol comes from. But in the big picture, if this gets Apple and other manufacturers to look a little harder for greener alternatives when decisions come up, I am all for it.

No, the big picture is the backlash results in pushing the green concerns into the margins. Having whackjobs for representatives does that. GP are assuredly whackjobs that mainstream media uses to show that environmentalists are not right in the head.

I resent that because it keeps real progress from occuring.

Quote:
But this is part of PR. How many people know about ED? Environmental Defense is out there every day doing all sorts of the kind of work that people say they wish GP was doing. Working with legislatures and manufacturers when possible and filing lawsuits when necessary. They don't climb fences or make big banners. They might get a lot done, but they have very little impact on public opinion because NOBODY NOTICES REASONABLE WORK. In fact, they would be much less likely to get anything done if it were not for GP and other "activist type" environmental organizations out there keeping the public awareness and discussions going thereby keeping politicians and companies interested in showing green.

Or they COULD get more money if the greentards didn't steal all the funding for thier own whackjob agendas or make normal folks roll their eyes when the environment comes up as a topic or a fundraising activity.

Quote:
Again, it is not fair that Apple gets picked on because they bring the best publicity. But that is the price of being a leader. The alternative is to become common. It is a little like a huge movie star complaining that being famous makes their life difficult. Deal with it.

Or simply fight back. If GP want's to be jackasses I'm willing to call them jackasses. They are no less "public" than Apple. As far as I'm concerned, as long as GP represents the environmental movement the entire lot are whackjobs and my checkbook stays closed.

I'd rather give money to BP by buying their solar products.
post #48 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Yeah whatever.

Dig that hole deeper sweetheart. How's that shamrock thing?
post #49 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by CREB View Post

I do not give a damn about anything else listed in this topic other than Jobs health that I wish all the best. I have consistently owned a Mac for twenty-eight years straight, and both the Jobs and Woz both influenced my life.

No you haven't.

see 1984
post #50 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinea View Post

Dig that hole deeper sweetheart. How's that shamrock thing?

Yeah.
Citing unnamed sources with limited but direct knowledge of the rumoured device - Comedy Insider (Feb 2014)
Reply
Citing unnamed sources with limited but direct knowledge of the rumoured device - Comedy Insider (Feb 2014)
Reply
post #51 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

I would doubt that no more than 1/10 0f 1% of all aluminum waste is recycled.

Sorry, you're just going on doubts, I actually looked it up.
post #52 of 91
I can understand both sides of the iPhone developer debate.

Apple may have been overwhelmed by the amount of interest there is in developing iPhone applications, too!

Also, I think Apple is trying to put in place some kind of quality control system. Apple wants to weed out the bad apps BEFORE people start installing them, then complaining that the iPhone is an unstable POS! The buzzards and shills are praying that Apple falls flat.

Face it, there's a lot of crappy software out there. Luckily on the Mac side of things, bad software doesn't last very long. Word gets around, people warn there friends and others DO NOT buy. Great software does well, because we tell our friends and colleagues about great software. the mac universe runs by word of mouth on many levels.

On the Windows side, because of the vast number of users a developer can write a dreadfully crappy application, but even if it sells to a tiny percentage of users can do quite well and reinforce the belief that anything sells. That attitude clearly starts with Microsoft and Windows, where general mediocrity rules.
Macintosh: It just WORKS!
Reply
Macintosh: It just WORKS!
Reply
post #53 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by shawnathan View Post

i'm starting to really get sick of the whole green / enviro / healthy lifestyle crap floating around. it's a god damn phone - so unless this thing implants toxic waste into your ear when you make a call, or baby seals die every time you connect to GPS, you can fuck off and worry about other things, like (imho) the eradication of fossil fuels in passenger vehicles.


hahaha! my sentiments exactly.
post #54 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

They have processed 4000 companies (not apps) in 12 weeks between the SDK keynote and the WWDC keynote. That is a lot! It's 16% of the total that applied. Now, we won't see ready apps from all these developers come v2.0 launch day, but even if we have a 25% of that we will have one-thousand apps to peruse on the iPhone. How many total apps have other mobile platforms?

On http://www.softwaremarket.nokia.com/ which is a pretty good analogue of Apple's store since Nokia is choosy and requires signed apps, there's over 6000.

Elsewhere, there's thousands more from developers not selling through Nokia's app store.
post #55 of 91
Oh gosh..... a green iPhone... blah blah blah... What do they want the iPhone to be made of?! Peanuts? Cardboard? Wait no that harms the environment somehow. How about wood? No that's harmful somehow, too.
ALTER BRIDGE is the greatest rock band of today. Myspace || Street Team
Reply
ALTER BRIDGE is the greatest rock band of today. Myspace || Street Team
Reply
post #56 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinea View Post

Or simply fight back. If GP want's to be jackasses I'm willing to call them jackasses. They are no less "public" than Apple. As far as I'm concerned, as long as GP represents the environmental movement the entire lot are whackjobs and my checkbook stays closed.

I'd rather give money to BP by buying their solar products.

That is a really disheartening post, not to mention ironic. Atlantic Richfield (which later
became a part of BP) bought up numerous solar power patents in the 70's and 80's
and stopped developing them. This gave the appearance that they wanted to STOP
solar power as an alternative to burning oil. If they are trying to develop solar power
now, it is part of a corporate greenwashing effort, not a sincere move to reduce
carbon in the atmosphere. Do you seriously want to encourage that?

Greenpeace is one of the organizations most responsible for raising the consciousness
of people about the fragility of Earth's environment. You can deny them credit for
anything you want, but without them we would have our heads even deeper in the sand.
If the human race survives, it will be more because of the efforts of Greenpeace than
because of the efforts of BP.
post #57 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by aegisdesign View Post

On http://www.softwaremarket.nokia.com/ which is a pretty good analogue of Apple's store since Nokia is choosy and requires signed apps, there's over 6000.

Elsewhere, there's thousands more from developers not selling through Nokia's app store.

6000 was considerably more than I would have thought, but if Apple is still allowing more developers at the same average rate prior to last week's keynote then they should have around 6000 at the launch of the App store. However, we are comparing apps with developers, and while there will developers who may take another months to make it to market, there will probably be many more that will have 2 or more apps. I think it's safe to say that Apple's App Store will have the largest collection of 3rd-party apps for a mobile platform.
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
post #58 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by boss1 View Post

@ Backlog of developers story: Apple needs to dedicate more people to the approval process here. I'm not a developer but I see this is going in a bad direction could turn to be detrimental to Apple, developers, and the consumer.

The reason you see it as a bad direction is because you are not a developer.

This is the way any Beta test program is run. The purpose of a Beta program is to gather feedback on the software from a representative sample of users. To do that, Apple needs an assortment of testers, both large and small. They restrict the numbers to the number of testers they can support because they do not have infinite resources.

Rogue Amoeba's complaints are simply unprofessional.
post #59 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by quinney View Post

That is a really disheartening post, not to mention ironic. Atlantic Richfield (which later became a part of BP) bought up numerous solar power patents in the 70's and 80's and stopped developing them. This gave the appearance that they wanted to STOP solar power as an alternative to burning oil.

Appearances are deceiving. BP Solar can trace to Solarex which was a spin off of Comsat Labs which was purchased by Amoco (Standard Oil) sometime in the 80s then BP for $45M in 1999. Amusingly, even then ARCO Solar (Atlantic Richfield) and Solar Power Corporation (Exxon) were it's primary competitors.

All the big oil companies invested heavily in the 70s due to the first energy crisis. All the remaining big oil companies invest heavily now because they know that peak oil is either here or will soon be. They have a corporate interest in investment in alternative energy technology because NONE can allow its competitors to have a lock on the next energy source.

Solarex, despite being #2 producer of solar panels in 1983 lost $10M 1982. They couldn't get more financing. Standard bought them out or they'd have gone out of business anyway.

The economics of solar have prevented widespread adoption, not some vast oil consipiracy. If the US had the same kind of solar incentive program as parts of Europe we'd be making more progress.

Does GP use any of it's alleged lobby or mindshare prowess to do that? No. Instead they're picking dumb fights with Apple on issues of nearly ZERO importance.

Quote:
If they are trying to develop solar power now, it is part of a corporate greenwashing effort, not a sincere move to reduce carbon in the atmosphere. Do you seriously want to encourage that?

If they are developing solar power now, it is a part of corporate profit generation effort. It sure as hell is sincere if they're sinking $8bn into alternative energy.

Hell yes I want to encourage that. Sir Browne pushed BP hard into alternative energy in his tenure. We'll see how Haward does but it seems unlikely that he'll simple squander BPs position. Given he's a geologist by training, he can understand the science behind global warming and he gave a decent speech when he first started.

Quote:
Greenpeace is one of the organizations most responsible for raising the consciousness of people about the fragility of Earth's environment. You can deny them credit for anything you want, but without them we would have our heads even deeper in the sand.

BS. Any american alive in the 70s had a good dose of environmental awareness dumped on them back then. I was 5 in 1970 and I still remember the environmental stuff in schools, TV, etc back then. The clean air act was passed in 1970. and it was a decade of environmentalism in the US of which GP was a small part of the larger picture.

The Greenpeace of today is not the Greenpeace of then anyway. I'm with Patrick Moore that calls them political activists vs environmentalists that engage in fear tactics, bad science and bogus even harmful positions on the environment.

"By the mid-1980s, the environmental movement had abandoned science and logic in favor of emotion and sensationalism." -- Moore in 2007

GP's position on DDT has lead to thousands if not millions of deaths to malaria in developing countries.

GP's position on GMO and against Golden Rice is based on lies on safety. Their position has been duplicitious in calling for both human testing and opposing field trials.

GP's position against Nuclear energy has also been based on lies and really counterproductive for both reducing carbon emission and for reducing dependence on oil (which, ya know, go hand in hand).

Quote:
If the human race survives, it will be more because of the efforts of Greenpeace than
because of the efforts of BP.

The human race WILL survive and it will be because of folks that build companies like BP and GMO developers like Potrykus and Syngenta.

Not because of the whackjobs that currently populate GP and other similar eco groups which are IMHO the biggest waste of oxygen on the planet.
post #60 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

6000 was considerably more than I would have thought, but if Apple is still allowing more developers at the same average rate prior to last week's keynote then they should have around 6000 at the launch of the App store. However, we are comparing apps with developers, and while there will developers who may take another months to make it to market, there will probably be many more that will have 2 or more apps. I think it's safe to say that Apple's App Store will have the largest collection of 3rd-party apps for a mobile platform.

Most of those S60 developers would be European and those 6000 apps come from about 500 developers btw. Here's the article where the stats are discussed...

http://www.symbianone.com/content/view/5119/31/


I think there'll be a veritable gold rush of American developers new to mobile phone development since it's not been a strong market historically there but what comes out of that may not be so useful in the first round of the rush. I'm betting on at least 20 ToDo list applications, most of which will be shit.

Apple didn't do itself many favours with European developers either by delaying entry for them until some months after US developers were accepted. It'll be a pity if they've lost developers like QuickOffice and Epocware in that signup process.
post #61 of 91
Any idea how many Windows Mobile developers there are?
post #62 of 91
I'm thinking about the GPS side of this story...

Utilizing GPS in your application for navigation based directions and other stuff (as of the latest SDK development terms and conditions) seems to potentially be not allowed. Now the developer at TomTom seems to think otherwise and could very well be right...

I'm trying to think how Apple would implement a GPS navigation application in a way that only Apple can seem to do... (with some exceptions).

1 - It would be connected to the Address book yes... thats a no brainer
2 - Local points of interest via google? Sure more than likely

But what else? And, how do you think an "Apple designed" "GPS Navigation System": look like, react to obstacles, behave in general, voice recognition, etc etc etc... Anyone care to share their thoughts or wanna photoshop mockup some cool UI design ideas/examples?

Would is be really amazing and do things like recognize that you are on a highway and moving far slower than highway speed and offer new routes to you that would divert you away from the slow moving traffic? (does ANY gps do this sorta thing? I know that living in/around the NYC area traffic being insane is usually the norm and I would love for a feature such as that.

Dave
Apple Fanboy: Anyone who started liking Apple before I did!
Reply
Apple Fanboy: Anyone who started liking Apple before I did!
Reply
post #63 of 91
I do have to admit I was a little shocked by the all plastic back as the original iPhone was made of aluminum and glass because they are 'look great and highly desirable for recycling'. Plus it matched the iMac and all that. Just kinda seemed like a step back, but I totally understand signal strength is important.
post #64 of 91
Wow, so much vitriol spewing around this list of posts... I guess its time for my few cents:

as for the developers issues, seems to me that I'd rather a smaller number of useful apps than a larger number of crappy ones. Considering the fact that I had to try out 7 molecular weight calculators before I found one good for anything beyond high school chemistry classes (being a college chemistry professor, this is a little below my needs), I wouldn't mind a nicely streamlined system. Therefore, if apple wants to take their time, and carefully choose the apps they allow, I'm glad to hear it.

Now to the whole TomTom thing -- I don't care whether its TomTom, Garmin or apple themselves, if my iPhone can tell me what street to turn onto, and which crag to hike around, I'm going to be really happy. It might've helped those hikers on Mt. Rainier last week (I know this is unrealistic, but I like hyperbole).

Finally on to greenpeace. My main issue with this group is that they don't seem to have updated or improved their approach in 30 years. Look at ForestEthics -- they're an environmental group that has successfully lobbied for change with Staples, Victoria's Secret and Home Despot -- increasing the percentage of recycled materials used and reducing the decimation of old growth forests caused by all three companies by a combination of creating bad press, inspiring boycotts, meeting with executives to help design improved strategies and plan a realistic set of goals, and finally to promise a carrot of good press, using the company as a "good example" once the reasonable goals have been met. Greenpeace, meanwhile pushed apple, got a positive response and is immediately attacking them on the next step before they've even seen the product! For all they know, there is a great big recycling symbol on the back of every single 3G iPhone!

which gets to my big complaint -- they can tell its environmentally unsound from Steve's keynote?!?!?!?! I can't even tell if its got a smooth or textured back! (I'd like smooth)
post #65 of 91
What if Steve Jobs got cancer from the very toxins in the iPhone? Unlikely if we will ever know, unless he's had some bad luck when inspecting those manufacturing plants in China.

That's the most intelligent thing I can say given all the crazy stuff being debated in this thread.

One word: We must prepare for terraforming other worlds. There. I said it. Also, achieving far deeper understanding of genetics, cybernetics, and human consciousness uploaded onto exabyte-level nano/laser/storage devices.

Wait a minute, this isn't tobacco in my cigarette.... OMFG.
post #66 of 91
3G = 3 times more Green. Not.
post #67 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinea View Post

No, the big picture is the backlash results in pushing the green concerns into the margins. Having whackjobs for representatives does that. GP are assuredly whackjobs that mainstream media uses to show that environmentalists are not right in the head.

I resent that because it keeps real progress from occuring.

Or they COULD get more money if the greentards didn't steal all the funding for thier own whackjob agendas or make normal folks roll their eyes when the environment comes up as a topic or a fundraising activity.

Or simply fight back. If GP want's to be jackasses I'm willing to call them jackasses. They are no less "public" than Apple. As far as I'm concerned, as long as GP represents the environmental movement the entire lot are whackjobs and my checkbook stays closed.

I'd rather give money to BP by buying their solar products.

The main quandry I ran into when working for Greenpeace was this. I came across something interesting. It was the Dalai Lama's comments on the need for "comfort and dignity" that "every human desires" or something like that.

Unless this is somehow equated or more aligned with environmental sustainability, then at the end of the day, one would have to choose whether you value the environment (non-humans) or humans more. Both would be best, but that's a big debate now on where is this "middle ground".

Of course, the deeper questions are, what is real? Why are we here? and... If I like using my Mac why must the world die?
post #68 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by reallynotnick View Post

I do have to admit I was a little shocked by the all plastic back as the original iPhone was made of aluminum and glass because they are 'look great and highly desirable for recycling'. Plus it matched the iMac and all that. Just kinda seemed like a step back, but I totally understand signal strength is important.

Here's the pickle. If people used more iPhones and Macs than Nokias or PCs, would the world be better? My call is yes. 75% use Apple stuff and the world is a better place. 25% yes if Apple was greener that would be good. However, there are a whole bunch of other assholes fking the earth up. Energy production is the next big issue.

I AGREE WITH THOSE THAT SAY, WE GOTTA PRIORITISE HERE PEOPLES.
post #69 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Yeah.

Oouch. Don't give up hope yet! Move to London for teh future.
post #70 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by aegisdesign View Post

Most of those S60 developers would be European and those 6000 apps come from about 500 developers btw.

Wow! Is that it? (rhetorical)
I had a bet with someone that, I think Sapporobaby, that Apple's App Store would have more apps than any other mobile platform.

Quote:
I think there'll be a veritable gold rush of American developers new to mobile phone development since it's not been a strong market historically there but what comes out of that may not be so useful in the first round of the rush. I'm betting on at least 20 ToDo list applications, most of which will be shit.

I hope Apple is going throw the developer applications thoroughly, that they are making sure that the apps they will have will not have too many repeats that do the exact same thing and that they are making sure the apps are up to par before green-lighting them.

Quote:
Apple didn't do itself many favours with European developers either by delaying entry for them until some months after US developers were accepted. It'll be a pity if they've lost developers like QuickOffice and Epocware in that signup process.

Perhaps Apple has gone through Nokia's most popular apps to specifically look for those developers in it's DB that have submitted applications to develop for the iPhone. It would be an important victory for Apple to get them sooner rather than later.
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
post #71 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post

....and human consciousness uploaded onto exabyte-level nano/laser/storage devices.

OK, if we're going completely off-topic, let's embrace it! I've read SF for years about uploading your consciousness into hardware. Could somebody tell me, once some duplicate of you is running in silico, what good this does the original you, still trapped in a body that's going to die?
post #72 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by CREB View Post

I do not give a damn about anything else listed in this topic other than Jobs health that I wish all the best. I have consistently owned a Mac for twenty-eight years straight, and both Jobs and the Woz both influenced my life.

Mine too! I shared a booth in a Team Electronics dealer show in Minneapolis with Steve and Woz when they were just starting out in the late 70's (?). Unable to afford the booth myself, the Team buyer set me up with 1/2 of the space to show my car stereo line. I don't remember much about them, or the computer except that I didn't get it.. and It was not attractive.. i played with it just once and i remember something like Hello my name is coming up on the screen (?) and avoided them for the next three days.. i didn't think it was cool and I really didn't want to be around a couple of high school kids. A few years senior and just starting out in sales.. I wanted to be in the big time with successful management staff at Team! At the end of the dealer show, an upper management person from Dayton Hudson asked me what i thought? .. his enthusiasm was obvious so i said it was pretty cool.. and then he asked me if i was going to invest in their start up?.. it was $5000 as i recall?. I was like just not getting any of it so i meekly said i was thinking about it.. a year or so later Apple was on the map and i guess a couple of management people did make an investment in Apple that week.. It became a major lesson learned for me... As this was proof that opportunities pass us by each day and we need to be prepared for them in order to recognize their value. I went on to have a very successful career in consumer electronics.. And.. I have had a Mac.. after Mac .. after Mac since.. It was such a lucky learning experience for me -I love telling this story because Apple's immediate success allowed me to recognize that moment and realize with clarity what opportunity really is - I've never stopped looking for them since!.. Like you, I am hoping that Steve Jobs has many many more healthy years to cherish life on planet earth, and I am especially thankful to have fully enjoyed the use of apple products.

d
post #73 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I hope Apple is going throw the developer applications thoroughly, that they are making sure that the apps they will have will not have too many repeats that do the exact same thing and that they are making sure the apps are up to par before green-lighting them.

Apple is not playing nanny for you. They stated their criteria back in March. They're going to screen out porn, malware, illegal apps, bandwidth hogs, etc. Everything else will be laissez faire.

Quote:
Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Perhaps Apple has gone through Nokia's most popular apps to specifically look for those developers in it's DB that have submitted applications to develop for the iPhone.

Except it doesn't work that way. Developers applying to the Beta program were not asked, except in the most general sense, what kind of apps they wanted to create.

Nor are the Beta developers the only developers who can create iPhone apps, now or in the future.
post #74 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by maxmann View Post

Mine too! I shared a booth in a Team Electronics dealer show in Minneapolis with Steve and Woz when they were just starting out in the late 70's...

Excuse me while I pick my jaw off the floor! WOW
bb
Reply
bb
Reply
post #75 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by lonestar1 View Post

Apple is not playing nanny for you. They stated their criteria back in March. They're going to screen out porn, malware, illegal apps, bandwidth hogs, etc. Everything else will be laissez faire.

You wrote, "[Apple is] going to screen out porn, malware, illegal apps, bandwidth hogs, etc.", immediately after you write, "Apple is not playing nanny." The two sentences are contradictory. Apple is most certainly are playing nanny, and with good reason.

Quote:
Except it doesn't work that way. Developers applying to the Beta program were not asked, except in the most general sense, what kind of apps they wanted to create.

No, I wasn't asked either, but I did supply enough information that it would take only a moment for Apple to see if I were a known mobile developer on other mobile platforms. I have no proof, but it seems logical that Apple would want to pull popular developers from other mobile platforms to OS X iPhone. Not only does it hamper the growth of their competition but automatically gives the iPhone a leg up as a legitimate mobile platform among devices that already have a very loyal user-base (i.e.: Blackberry and Nokia). Especially if the OS X iPhone version is more refined and/or cheaper than the competition.
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
post #76 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by bloggerblog View Post

Excuse me while I pick my jaw off the floor! WOW

Ditto! First let me say that that was an amazing and edifying story, that might help some of the rest of us recognize opportunity when we see it. (And I mean opportunity to be on the ground floor of something world-changing: unlike the whining I've been listening to for the last 25 years from a buddy of mine, who wanted to buy Braniff at 1/8, couldn't talk himself into it, and watched it go up to 6 1/2 before finally tanking forever.)

I guess my point is the unpredictability of Fate. How could anyone have predicted then what would be going on now? I'm not just talking about the triumphant progress of technology or Steve Jobs, but the tragedies and setbacks he (and we) have been through. Without all of them we wouldn't be where we are. Steve Jobs had to be disabused (twice) of the notion that more than a few people would pay $10,000 for a desktop computer; and yet: if Lisa hadn't existed, the Mac would never have existed, and for better or worse, if the Mac had never existed, Windows would never have existed. If the Lisa debacle hadn't got Steve forced out of the company he created, the NeXT computer would never have existed, and then OS X would never have existed. Without all these low points that have had a lot of us on the point of despair over the years, the Apple of today (and tomorrow) wouldn't have been possible. And a nice, unopposed, linear development of the Apple ][ could never have gotten us here, either.

So I, too, wish and hope that Steve Jobs is with us for a long time yet, both because he deserves it, after going through all the ups and downs of this wild ride that he (more than anybody) put us all on, and because (selfishly) I can't wait to see what happens next! Get well, Steve.

And maxmann: don't beat yourself up for not predicting all this 30 years ago. If you had, you'd have been locked up in a rubber room!
post #77 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by maxmann View Post

I don't remember much about them, or the computer except that I didn't get it.. and It was not attractive..

If the future of the personal computer was obvious then it would have been mainstream much, much earlier. HP and Xerox didn't get it, either. In your defense, they really didn't have e good business model back then and there wasn't much you could do with the system. If I recall my history correctly, wasn't Woz working at Xerox-PARC at the time and had to give them first dibs on anything he created, which they gladly passed on after being shown a demonstration?
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
Reply
post #78 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinea View Post

Dig that hole deeper sweetheart. How's that shamrock thing?

Didn't your mother teach you to leave pimples alone... if you keep messing with it, it just keeps coming back and eventually scars so you'll never be rid of it. Eventually, all the festering stuff inside this Irish quat will work its way to the surface and he'll, er, it'll just wash away
post #79 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac-sochist View Post

OK, if we're going completely off-topic, let's embrace it! I've read SF for years about uploading your consciousness into hardware. Could somebody tell me, once some duplicate of you is running in silico, what good this does the original you, still trapped in a body that's going to die?

That's a good question, isn't it? Who is *you* at this stage then... The in silico one or the body one. Would you know the difference if you then let the body one die, since *you* are now preserved and "alive" in silico? This is going to be *the* fundamental existentialist question that needs to be considered in the next few hundred years. Maybe once the in silico transfer happens, one would be compelled to euthanise the body as an act of compassion.

Cloning at the body level currently would involve something like identical twins, where clearly they have separate identities and consciousness.

Cloning the consciousness itself, boy, that's a pandora's box, is it not?

iPhone 3000G : Take your loved one's consciousness with you everywhere you go.
Roaming charges apply outside the Milky Way Galaxy. Five millenium contract required with AndromedaT&T. Time travel violates your warranty.
post #80 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

You wrote, "[Apple is] going to screen out porn, malware, illegal apps, bandwidth hogs, etc.", immediately after you write, "Apple is not playing nanny." The two sentences are contradictory. Apple is most certainly are playing nanny, and with good reason...

Apple is currently just very, very conservative, yet innovative. It is eclectic, mesmerising, and confounding, pretty much like Steve Jobs.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: iPhone
AppleInsider › Forums › Mobile › iPhone › TomTom for iPhone lives; Jobs' true health; green iPhone 3G?