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post #81 of 115
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Originally Posted by Elixir View Post

so, what does everyone think? is it running faster than safari? i think i might switch, safari gives me problems a lot recently.

you should try webkit nightly builds. or FF3 for that matter, I've been using that for ages, and the last betas and RCs were solid. in fact the last 2 RC are identical to the final version.

on my machine, FF3 and webkit runs head to head; I have not touched Safari for months.
post #82 of 115
Jep, my Firefox3 on Windows XP has never EVER crashed for as long as I can remember, except when I try to open 1 kind of site.

The ones with Quicktime movies embedded in the page.
post #83 of 115
HOLEY MOLEY It is FAST.
post #84 of 115
This is great. Seems like a big improvement over Firefox 2. Loading, scrolling and navigating seems very fast. And finally the gui looks somewhat decent
post #85 of 115
Fantastic- super fast. Pictures snap on- unbelievable!
BUt the most important feature is, you get as always , a full screen of internet real estate by clicking the upper right hand button- something you could never do in Safari.
Highly recommended - so far.
post #86 of 115
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Originally Posted by fishmaven View Post

My beef is that if they've got the room to say OSX they've got the room to say 10.4 or newer. I'm running 10.3.9 on a Pismo. The system requirements should be up front somewhere.

EXACTLY! Then I wouldn't have had to waste an hour or so finding it doesn't work and running around hunting for a copy of the 2.0.0.14 .dmg file. I have a new iMac, which runs leopard, but I would hate having to switch back and forth to different versions of FF when I use the iBook.
post #87 of 115
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Thanks, though I don't think the eye rolling emoticon is called for.

Perhaps it (Fotek2001's response, i.e., "Safari already has a 'restore session' option and it's been there since 3.0") wouldn't have been if your original statement, "Stable or not, that is a feature Safari should have already had. It's not like it would be hard to code," didn't sound so dissing in the first place.
post #88 of 115
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

Perhaps it (Fotek2001's response, i.e., "Safari already has a 'restore session' option and it's been there since 3.0") wouldn't have been if your original statement, "Stable or not, that is a feature Safari should have already had. It's not like it would be hard to code," didn't sound so dissing in the first place.

Speaking of coding- would it be that hard to code safari to expand to a full page like Firefox? .....just wondering.
post #89 of 115
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Originally Posted by Elixir View Post

can you tell me what the hell i'm looking at.

I'd wager at your computer's screen.
post #90 of 115
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Originally Posted by dreyfus2 View Post

No offense, but something must be wrong with your installation... I did not have a single Safari crash for at least three years and it is running at least 14 hours a day. Still, a re-open last session option would be great - it can be added using the Stand plug-in though and works pretty well.

You must look at very 'mild' web pages. I get frequent crashes as well, but usually when a site has too many plug-ins or some such (FF crashes as well, so it's not an anti-safari thing)
post #91 of 115
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Originally Posted by PG4G View Post

I MUCH rather safari.

Safari is soooo much faster!

Someone didn't actually try FF3
post #92 of 115
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Originally Posted by chadisawesome View Post

Someone didn't actually try FF3

He didn't say which version of Safari he is using or which engine, Safari 4 and the new WebKit builds are faster than FF3. You can really see it on heavy JS pages, but the speed of the engine is evident on other pages. Though with today's internet speeds it's harder and hearder to see teh difference and if the stability is better (which seems to be a persistant issue with some people) and you use the extensions then FF is the only option.

It's good that we have so many great options these days.
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post #93 of 115
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Originally Posted by PG4G View Post

I MUCH rather safari.

Safari is soooo much faster!

I don't think soooo.
post #94 of 115
I still don't have Firefox on the Mac. It's on my Vista laptop, but I still use Camino for the Mac. Haven't ever found anything better or faster or easier to look at.
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post #95 of 115
Holding down option and turning the scroll wheel pages you through the history.

I find Safari and FF3 to be about the same in terms of rendering speed. It's fast enough that I don't care anymore.
post #96 of 115
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

Why not go download FireFox 3.0, try it out and then come back and make an *intelligent* (non-trolling), post that's actually on topic?

Hey dumb-a**, you're aware that FF3 has been available as beta for a while now, aren't you?

post #97 of 115
I'm enjoying FF3 on my work PC. My thoughts so far...

The Good:
It is much faster than FF2. So much so that I have switched over to yahoo's web-app for mail instead of relying on their quicker loading classic mail interface. No longer does loading the new yahoo mail take 30 seconds... it is finally usable on this modest 1.7Ghz P4.

The Bad:
Why is it that the drop-down menu "back" history is now part of the "forward" button? Complete UI design idiocy if you ask me. I'm almost certain they'll have to fix this laughable interface regression. But at least it is an easy fix. Just move the damn drop-down menu for "back" history so that it is next to the "back" button.
post #98 of 115
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Originally Posted by old-wiz View Post

EXACTLY! Then I wouldn't have had to waste an hour or so finding it doesn't work and running around hunting for a copy of the 2.0.0.14 .dmg file. I have a new iMac, which runs leopard, but I would hate having to switch back and forth to different versions of FF when I use the iBook.

This discussion has brought out several browser updates. I wanted to find out the optimum update for use with OS 10.3.9. I did searches several different ways but was unable to get an on-topic response, even from Apple. Is there somewhere else I should look?

Apple's new Snow Leopard will not work with PPCs. So at some point I will have to breakdown and buy at least one new machine.
post #99 of 115
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Originally Posted by YakkoW View Post

In my experience, it seems to be related to Flash, and as such, may not even be entirely Apple's fault. (We've already been reading about issues with Adobe's Mac plug-in.)

I recall having problems with Flash in Safari too at one point. Are you on Leopard or Tiger? I'd suggest looking for a Flash update and check your video drivers too? My Flash crashing problems might have happened the time I tried out OS X on my PC actually. Yes very naughty but it convinced me that Mac was the way and I bought a Mac Mini straight away (and sold my PC!), then upgraded 12 months later to my Alu iMac 24"


I saw a few people disagreeing with me over Firefox not being able to keep up with Safari Javascript performance longer term. Thanks for pointing out that they're even at the moment (I didn't know that) but was I was meaning is that Safari has Squirrelfish (?) coming which is an entirely new bytecode compiled system for JavaScript. It already flies, but they reckon there's plenty of headroom left for optimisation. That's why I thought longer term Safari will be ahead again
post #100 of 115
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Originally Posted by fishmaven View Post

Apple's new Snow Leopard will not work with PPCs. So at some point I will have to breakdown and buy at least one new machine.

The Developer Preview does not support PPC macs. No announcement has been made about the actual release.
post #101 of 115
I'll tell you what add-on I'm loving the most about the new Firefox3 besides the speed right now: No Squint. Look it up. It allows you to set text zoom and sizes for each individual website. So your fontsize presets that look good on one site but horrible on another are no longer an issue. This is a godsend for those of us with the small screens.

Another add-on I NEVER surf without is AdBlock Plus.
post #102 of 115
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Originally Posted by 4metta View Post

I'll tell you what add-on I'm loving the most about the new Firefox3 besides the speed right now: No Squint. Look it up. It allows you to set text zoom and sizes for each individual website. So your fontsize presets that look good on one site but horrible on another are no longer an issue.

Omniweb had this for ages now. Probably the Omniweb per-site preferences are more advanced, I cannot confirm or deny since I have not yet tried FF3.

But it is good to see others catching up in usability.
post #103 of 115
Does OmniWeb also allow you to preset full page zooming? That's another thing No Squint does. So you get text and full page zooming with independent settings.
post #104 of 115
Shame it's still ugly as balls and still doesn't use UI elements properly. [e] Or even draw the window background properly.
post #105 of 115
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Originally Posted by esXXI View Post

Shame it's still ugly as balls and still doesn't use UI elements properly. [e] Or even draw the window background properly.

It's free -isn't it?
post #106 of 115
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Originally Posted by 4metta View Post

Does OmniWeb also allow you to preset full page zooming? That's another thing No Squint does. So you get text and full page zooming with independent settings.

I have Omniweb running now and this is what it offers as per-site preferences:

(1) Page appearance: font style, underline (or not) links, text zoom, page colors, images (load inline with page, load background images, use ColorSync), style sheet

(2) Ad blocking: block pop-up windows, animate images, block images and other inline content, blocked url list.

(3) Languages: text encoding for web pages and form submission, request web pages in preferred languages (according to International preference pane).

(4) Security: javascript behavior, enable/disable java, cookies options.

(5) Other: browser identity (one of the popular ones or custom) shown to web servers, behavior of links to other sites, download location. Also, one very nice Omniweb feature (and shame on Apple that has not implemented it yet for Safari) is that it automatically adds to Spotlight comments of each downloaded file the URL of origin. Extremely handy to keep track of your downloads.

No, I don't see full page zoom, only text zoom.
post #107 of 115
Sounds like I have to look at it again. Just can't stand giving up my add-on choices available on Firefox for long.
post #108 of 115
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Originally Posted by esXXI View Post

Shame it's still ugly as balls and still doesn't use UI elements properly. [e] Or even draw the window background properly.

You can't be talking about Firefox. Have you bothered to look at the mac themes or (any themes for that matter) in the free add-on section?
post #109 of 115
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Originally Posted by 4metta View Post

Sounds like I have to look at it again. Just can't stand giving up my add-on choices available on Firefox for long.

Even with the benefits of other browsers, the vast extensions available to Firefox make it a must have for many people. I wish Apple would at least offer it as a native option, the way it has a plug-in folder.

Perhaps I'm wring, but setting up a few guidelines and making a part of the SDK test Safari Extensions does seem like a lot of work of Apple's part. It would also help get developers on XCode. If they are really serious about gaining more marketshare I think they need to do it.

I'd like to hear responses if you think it's too difficult, too costly and/or not worth Apple's time and effort.
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post #110 of 115
my new firefox 3.0 that i offiically switched from safari for is now crashing and freezing up like my safari was doing. it happens about once a day, what gives? it can't be the browsers themselves... anyone?
post #111 of 115
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Originally Posted by Elixir View Post

my new firefox 3.0 that i offiically switched from safari for is now crashing and freezing up like my safari was doing. it happens about once a day, what gives? it can't be the browsers themselves... anyone?

It can certain be an issue with the browser. You'll need to check your crash log to get an idea what is happening.
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post #112 of 115
Perhaps I've overwhelmed poor ol' Firefox with many add-ons.

This morning I did two tests, just after system boots. Both times, Safari startup took two icon bounces. One time, Firefox3 took 30. The other, it took 8.

Now, I must say I've overwhelmed ol' Firefox 3 with 17, count'em 17 extensions (plus, if relevant, 8 custom buttons on Google toolbar). No doubt, that's a contributing factor.

On the other hand, Firefox3 Web Developer can't be matched, for example, for ability to outline divs on a visible web page: a great aid in debugging, and for narrowing down and displaying the CSS for a specific div. For those of us heavy on CSS, this can be a heckuva quickie help, much better, even, than Amaya.

Firefox3 WITH Google Toolbar and Shareaholic has everything a bookmark fiend could want: these, poor ol' Safari can't handle. And Safari can't handle my many run-ins with Google Page Creator and various other online apps.

So, I guess I will keep Safari open in space 1 and Firefox open in space 4...
post #113 of 115
I like FF3 for the extensions. I also use the nightly build from Webkit. It is much better than Safari in my opinion.
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post #114 of 115
MIT has produced a PDF plugin for Firefox 3, which it put up on the web the night it launched by the looks of it. Firefox-Mac-PDF has just about everything its Safari equivalent has, with the exception of the handy little Leopard rollover menu at the bottom and contextual right-click saving (you have to Command-S in the old fashioned way).

Between that and the support for plugins like Zotero and the speed improvements and the FANTASTIC implementation of Opera's resolution-independent page-zooming feature that makes small-text pages SO MUCH EASIER to read, I am hooked on Firefox 3 at least until Safari 4 comes out. Also welcome is that the title and button bars override Leopard's excessive darkness and are therefore much easier to read.

The other impressive part is that none of Firefox 3's few bugs seem to be stability or compatibility-related.

Most of its problems are down to Mozilla's apparent ignorance of UI programming in Cocoa, with the result that smaller fonts don't look as good as they should and buttons and drop down menus are somewhat ugly rather than fitting with the Leopard look. This is one case where they threw the baby out with the bathwater on the Leopard UI.
post #115 of 115
I have always used Camino, but I decided to try FF3, and I still say Camino is the better choice.
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