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You know, there's no shame in just coming out and admitting that you don't understand how monetary systems work and why sound (usually gold-based) monetary systems are superior to fiat, legal-tender monetary systems.

Really. It's okay. You can just admit that you don't understand it all. It's nothing to be embarrassed about.

You should enlighten me, I think, on what I don't understand about monetary systems. I would find such enlightening enlightening.

I would prefer a monetary system based on 3G iPhones.
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post #282 of 297
Actually I think you would prefer a monetary system based on snow and cracked concrete.

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post #283 of 297
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Actually I think you would prefer a monetary system based on snow and cracked concrete.

Nah. But I'm trying to figure out a way to pay for construction bins using worn out work gloves.

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post #284 of 297
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I find the fairly consistent criticism of various oil supply proposals on the grounds that they'll take too long to produce results ironic given that the government is so frequently held up as the necessary agency of long-term thinking and planning.

Too often these plans don't help in a timely fashion relevant to the problem. We could use more oil now to get us over the bad times until we can work on another solution. Off shore drilling won't effect now but is always offered by Bush as a response to the question of what can we do now.

Also you may have noticed the Bush administration isn't really good at long term thinking.
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post #285 of 297
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Too often these plans don't help in a timely fashion relevant to the problem. We could use more oil now to get us over the bad times until we can work on another solution. Off shore drilling won't effect now but is always offered by Bush as a response to the question of what can we do now.

Also you may have noticed the Bush administration isn't really good at long term thinking.

Quite frankly I don't think I've seen any politician that's very good at long-term thinking (at least in regards to their governing policies and proposals). Their thinking extends (at most) to the next election. Their proposal amount to nothing more than using our money to try and buy our (or, worse, someone else's) votes for the next election. Suggesting this ailment is limited to Bush is naive and incorrect (and, perhaps, reveals your biases).
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Quite frankly I don't think I've seen any politician that's very good at long-term thinking (at least in regards to their governing policies and proposals). Their thinking extends (at most) to the next election. Their proposal amount to nothing more than using our money to try and buy our (or, worse, someone else's) votes for the next election. Suggesting this ailment is limited to Bush is naive and incorrect (and, perhaps, reveals your biases).

As to long term thinking we could talk about what I was just talking about with Trumpy. You know about the economy of the late 90's.

However I already know how you feel.

With Bush it's bias with good reason. If you don't understand just take a good long hard look around.
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post #287 of 297
Now here's a guy with some brains!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/...rgy/index.html

Energy crisis threatens U.S. survival, Gore says Story Highlights
NEW: Renewable energy can bring equivalent of $1 a gallon gas, Gore says

Al Gore calls for electrical grid to be off carbon-based energy in 10 years

Gore has pushed for policies to reduce greenhouse gas emissions

Former vice president won Nobel Peace Prize in 2007 for advocacacy


I think he really would make a good VP again!
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Now here's a guy with some brains!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/...rgy/index.html

Energy crisis threatens U.S. survival, Gore says Story Highlights
NEW: Renewable energy can bring equivalent of $1 a gallon gas, Gore says

Al Gore calls for electrical grid to be off carbon-based energy in 10 years

Gore has pushed for policies to reduce greenhouse gas emissions

Former vice president won Nobel Peace Prize in 2007 for advocacacy


I think he really would make a good VP again!

He can't run for office. Republicans and the media have determined that Al Gore is fat. And fat is unacceptable in our society.
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I wish I could win a Nobel for advocacacy.
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He can't run for office. Republicans and the media have determined that Al Gore is fat. And fat is unacceptable in our society.

O rly? Looks pretty acceptable to me!

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He can't run for office. Republicans and the media have determined that Al Gore is fat. And fat is unacceptable in our society.




Then they should look at McCain!
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post #292 of 297
My bad. I should've said the MSM will not tolerate a fat candidate.
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post #293 of 297
AHHHHHH!!!!!

Now we're getting a little closer to the truth!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/...oil/index.html

'Two oil men' to blame for high gas prices, Pelosi says

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi Thursday blamed the "two oil men in the White House," President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, and their Republican allies in Congress for gas prices exceeding $4 a gallon

Oh no! It couldn't be them could it?
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post #294 of 297
Bump!

Well if the republicans hope blaming the democrats for the high prices it's not working.

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The Presumptive Nominees

CNN's National Poll of Polls




Barack Obama 47% 41% John McCain

RECENT POLLS: 7/15 | 7/13 | 7/11 | 7/3
CNN's "poll of polls" consists of five surveys: Gallup (July

Enjoy!

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Originally Posted by FormerLurker View Post

There has been a lot of rumbling from the Republican noise machine lately about drilling for more oil as The Best Solution for High Gas Prices. Today, it reached a fever pitch, and a new level of message coordination:

This is not going to play well in Florida for all three of them. Furthermore, they're going to have a hard time explaining exactly how drilling for more oil that we might see anywhere from 5 to 10 years from now is really going to substantially affect gas prices either now, or in the future. The fact that we currently EXPORT 10% of our domestically-produced oil doesn't help their argument much, either.

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But I'd like to move back to the original point of how the Republicans are mounting a huge coordinated assault around this issue.

It looks to me like Republicans are trying to reframe the entire 2008 election around domestic oil drilling.

This is the issue they are going to try to hammer the Democrats with - over, and over. They know the Democratic party is going to fight this, and that's exactly what they want them to do. They couldn't give less of a damn if drilling is actually approved.

That way, they can shift the blame for high gas prices away from the devalued dollar, ongoing Middle East instability, rampant speculation, and rising worldwide demand, which are the actual causes.

The real beauty of it all is that they are actually trying to benefit from a crisis of their own making. It's positively..... ROVIAN!

Revisiting my thread topic and original post(s) from June 16, I think I called this one early on... but it has gone much further than I had originally envisioned.

But......

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Most voters outside of the 30% Republican base are going to see this as exactly what it is - a calculated, coordinated, political, and cynical hit attempt on Obama and Democrats in Congress.

As right as I was about what the Republican plan was, I was wrong about how much it would succeed. The polls show a large majority of Americans buying into it hook, line, and sinker:
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Nationwide, Americans approve of an offshore drilling expansion by a whopping 69 to 30 percent, according to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released last week

Maybe that will finally teach me not to overestimate the intelligence, and underestimate the gullibility, of the American public!

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Gold is another waste of time. There is no point in buying gold now, 2 years ago yes, now, waste of time. If I was holding gold, now would be the time to get out and invest in something else

Who's loving the Gold Now?
post #297 of 297
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Originally Posted by FormerLurker View Post

Revisiting my thread topic and original post(s) from June 16, I think I called this one early on... but it has gone much further than I had originally envisioned.

But......



As right as I was about what the Republican plan was, I was wrong about how much it would succeed. The polls show a large majority of Americans buying into it hook, line, and sinker:

Maybe that will finally teach me not to overestimate the intelligence, and underestimate the gullibility, of the American public!

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America loves a gaz guzzler. The bigger the better. Thin is definitely not in. It's not how you get there, it's how fazt you get there that countz. Every time I venture out into this vast wasteland called America, it reminds me of the Coneheads. Every time I turn on the TV and watch the vast wasteland of commercials, it reminds me of the Coneheads.

I'm halfway expecting legislation to be passed for a MDC, which stands for Mandatory Daily Consumption. The Republicans are determined to jam it down our throats one way or another.
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