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Originally Posted by Ambrose Bierce View Post

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My only point is that originally everyone just wanted a cellphone that was also an ipod. Now we have one that is 500 times more than that and all people seem to be able to do is complain that it doesn't do enough. I for one would love a cellphone/ipod, and i think half the world that actually is oblivious to all this techie stuff would love this also. Sometimes more is less...

Thank you "Lurking" Bierce for a those words of sanity. (Kurt Vonnegut (RIP) was a big fan of An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge and that's good enough for me.

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post #82 of 164
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

You really are too much.

Along with unlocking it, the trick is to offer free worldwide shipping as it entices buyers from the 175 countries that won't get a 3G iphone come July 11th and the 120 that have no current plans to get one.


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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

But, Disneyland in Japan is still Disneyland, and Mcdonalds still offers the MacDonalds experience. The same with Apple and the iPhone.

And there will be different programs in different languages, with different isp's offering different services.

My point was that they aren't trying to show horn the American product into other cultures, just their American business model, which apparently works for all cultures with an emerging or established middle class.

Apple has historically tried to shoehorn many of products and they hate having to differentiate their HW. I bet Jobs hate that that different countries have different keyboards. If OLED keyboards become viable I think they will be the first onboard to use them.

I think the iPhone will be a relative success in Japan. Japan is one of the most established markets and the iPhone is missing some key HW features that seem to interest the Japanese, but the touchscreen, as we know, offers countless possibilities for any culture... assuming that the software for Asian characters was developed well.

I wonder if, like in the US, the iPhone was the smartphone for everyone else. We hear a lot of talk about how advanced and complex these phones are but I suspect they might have a significant population that want something simple to use.
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post #83 of 164
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Originally Posted by tundraboy View Post

The sooner people understand that the iPhone is not so much a cell phone or smart phone as it is a mobile computing platform with smart phone capabilities, then the sooner will they realize how much Apple has changed the game and that no one out there has all the skill components (software, hardware, brick&mortar retail savvy, online retail savvy, networking, and the all-important cool factor) that are needed to come up with a product that can compete with the iPhone. No one, nada, nicht. Not Nokia, not RIM, not Microsoft, not even Google. Not Sony, not Samsung, not LG, not Moto, not Donner, nor Blitzen.

David Pogue wasn't exaggerating when he said the iPhone 3G and iPhone 2.0 are big. Like really big. I mean bigger than the fat-lady-who-sings-at-the- end-of-the-show big.

My exact sentiment. I believe the right questions were not asked and more info on the softwares given such the written character recognition instead of type and it is also a game machine.

Let see what happen when the iPhones go on sale in Japan.
post #84 of 164
that I don't give a crap! Studies, polls, analysts, speculators, be damned. The real truth will come in time.
Disclaimer: The things I say are merely my own personal opinion and may or may not be based on facts. At certain points in any discussion, sarcasm may ensue.
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post #85 of 164
This survey was conducted before WWDC and the official announcement of the iPhone 3G and its price. If the survey were conducted now, surely things will have changed

Radio and TV tuners aren't really needed if you have unlimited Internet access. I stream video and audio on my iPhone all the time.
post #86 of 164
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Originally Posted by candlegravity View Post

Hey guys, I see I'm not the only one from the states living in Japan. One difference is I may have been here longer. Anyway, I can tell you that the single most important reason that Japanese are not apenuts about this new phone is that 3G technology was released in Japan 8 years ago! I moved here in 99' and it was release in 2001. From my personal perspective, Apple will have to make bigger leaps in technology in order to capture the Japanese audience. Kenwood released perhaps the first touch screen keitai (cell-phone) here in 2000. It was so cool looking and gained popularity, but soon many became frustrated trying to convert hiragana (1/3 used alphabets in Japanese) into kanji using a screen that often mis-read it's users inputs. I know Apple has done a lot to try and fix this problem, but I have to say that the current OS system will not work and I think it will bomb here as the large majority of the iPhones features have been prevalent in phones here for the past 6-8 years. Current phones here almost always include the following features.
-Digital television reception (wide-screen VGA)
-Video Conference Calling
-Instant skype-like text messaging
-Digital radio
-3MegaPixel~6.5MegaPixel cameras
-Cell Mail / Regular E-mail with no length limits & attachments
-Fully functioning web browsers (generally Opera) not all deal with Flash well...
-Music players (some only able to use their proprietary format which is probably Apples biggest plus at this point)
-3D games, PDF viewing, etc

I still may get an iPhone myself as I'm a MP3 maniac and don't want to charge my player and phone separately everyday, but as for the masses, I don't think the iPhone will have much appeal. Especially since they are going with a cheap looking plastic back cover. WTH is up with that?? I thought Apple announced that it will look to discontinue using plastics as they are bad for the environment? Huh. All in all I'd have to say the new iPhone is a big thumbs down. I will say that it seems like a pretty big improvement over that big, ugly brick Americans call a blackberry. Jesus what a joke that thing is. Looks like something designed in the 50's as being futuristic. At the very least, Apple has some idea of what can be manufactured using modern day materials and technology and may just pick up a few users here in Japan, albeit mostly American living in Japan! ;D

What you're not saying is that it took years after 3G was available to get the Japanese consumer to even look at a 3G phone. To keep costs down, consumers were texting. they had no interest in using the much more expensive 3G services the carriers were trying to sell. 3G has only become popular a short time ago, about the same time it began to become more popular here.
post #87 of 164
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

The HW issues*, like the camera Mpx, and the OS X iPhone system issues, like the inability to cut an paste, maybe a turn off, but mobile TV can be had by a 3rd-party app on the device.


* The Japanese seem to really buy on specs, not on usability, so the lack of HSUPA may be a turn off despite Japan just starting to roll it out this month.

When DoCoMo rolls out these phones for the Japanese public, there will be no reason for a Japanese cellphone user to even consider an iPhone. The specs/features of some of these handsets are almost unbelievable. I don't know how useful all the features are or if the average person can master using all the features, but for a person that's willing to sit down and learn, these Japanese handsets are incredible. I honestly didn't think you could put so many features in a small, handheld device:
http://wirelesswatch.jp/2008/05/27/d...-new-handsets/

So, no matter how good the iPhone 3G is, it just won't even be considered by hardcore Japanese users. The DoCoMo handsets are too versatile to consider anything less. My opinion is just theoretical based on a strictly feature basis. Maybe the iPhone will have mass appeal based on some coolness factor. I wouldn't count on it, though.
post #88 of 164
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

My point was that they aren't trying to show horn the American product into other cultures, just their American business model, which apparently works for all cultures with an emerging or established middle class.

Apple has historically tried to shoehorn many of products and they hate having to differentiate their HW. I bet Jobs hate that that different countries have different keyboards. If OLED keyboards become viable I think they will be the first onboard to use them.

I think the iPhone will be a relative success in Japan. Japan is one of the most established markets and the iPhone is missing some key HW features that seem to interest the Japanese, but the touchscreen, as we know, offers countless possibilities for any culture... assuming that the software for Asian characters was developed well.

I wonder if, like in the US, the iPhone was the smartphone for everyone else. We here a lot of talk about how advanced and complex these phones are but is there a population that want something simple to use?

Most Japanese and European manufacturers do the same thing to us. They give us products that aren't designed specially for the US market. I see that all the time.

With the iPhone it's less of a problem, as so much of the phone can be morphed into whatever is needed. As some others have pointed out here, most features on Japanese phones are little used, or not used at all.

As has also been pointed out, Japanese manufacturers are scrambling to come out with lookalikes to the iPhone. They can't really reproduce one, of course, because they would need the far more complex OX, which will take years to program.

I'm not so sure the Japanese will reject the iPhone out of hand. It was predicted that the iPod would never get more than a decent minority percentage in Japan either. But shortly after the iTunes store opened up, it zoomed to the top, shocking everyone there.

I suspect that the iPhone has just enough features to do well, and with the store, and programs, the Japanese may very well find that even more appealing than the myriad of useless buttons and non understandable features some of the phones they are now buying come with.

Just because they have been doing things a certain way doesn't mean that they will want to continue doing it that way.

I tend to doubt that nearly as many Japanese buy the phones some here are saying the y buy. Like all countries with 3G service widely available, most consumers don't actually subcribe to it, but use cheaper services instead.

I remember quite well, about four years ago, the Japanese cell carriers complaining that their customers didn't seem to want the service because of higher costs, and that it was going to take them longer than expected to get a significant number of subscribers on board with it. As of two years ago, I also remember reading several articles that said that the 3G customers were still much below expected estimates.

I think that people who make it seem as though vast numbers of subscribers around the world are using 3G are far off the truth.

Widespread availability does NOT mean widespread use.
post #89 of 164
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Originally Posted by Constable Odo View Post

So, no matter how good the iPhone 3G is, it just won't even be considered by hardcore Japanese users.

I'm counting on it...
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Originally Posted by solipsism

I wonder if, like in the US, the iPhone was the smartphone for everyone else. We hear a lot of talk about how advanced and complex these phones are but I suspect they might have a significant population that want something simple to use.
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post #90 of 164
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Originally Posted by Constable Odo View Post

When DoCoMo rolls out these phones for the Japanese public, there will be no reason for a Japanese cellphone user to even consider an iPhone. The specs/features of some of these handsets are almost unbelievable. I don't know how useful all the features are or if the average person can master using all the features, but for a person that's willing to sit down and learn, these Japanese handsets are incredible. I honestly didn't think you could put so many features in a small, handheld device:
http://wirelesswatch.jp/2008/05/27/d...-new-handsets/

So, no matter how good the iPhone 3G is, it just won't even be considered by hardcore Japanese users. The DoCoMo handsets are too versatile to consider anything less. My opinion is just theoretical based on a strictly feature basis. Maybe the iPhone will have mass appeal based on some coolness factor. I wouldn't count on it, though.

You're making the same mistake others are making. You're confusing features with usability. Of course, there will always be those who only buy on features, and they will often continue to do so. But they are a minority.

As the Japanese have not had a choice other than what Japanese manufacturers have been telling them is good for them, they have had only those to look at. Now they will have another choice.

This choice is very different
post #91 of 164
Oh man, so much cluelessness in this thread. The japanese cell phone market lacks choice? LOL to the MAX.

A more accurate statement is that the iPhone is the first decent choice the American market has had in a long time, and now Apple is getting pushed around with subsidies and low cost demands, which is exactly how the oligopolistic carriers stagnated innovation and advancement in this market for years. Just watch, next year it will be the exact same technology only this time it will be a FREE IPHONE to go along with your FREE RAZR and your absolutely NOT FREE 2-year contract. How many SMSes does my plan come with? OH RIGHT.
post #92 of 164
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Originally Posted by satchmo View Post

It is all about the battery. It doesn't matter how one uses the device, it's lunacy that Apple has gone the route of non-user replaceable batteries on this 2nd gen iPhone.

Perhaps if there were issues re battery life, the strategy would change.

Considering the satisfactory rating at 90%, it wouldn't be so high if batteries were a problem. Certainly from our experience and a couple of calls to nearby Apple stores, the iPhone has been a dream as battery life has been a non-issue.
post #93 of 164
Extremely un-surprising, the iPhone may be relatively good looking and have a nice and (very) simple but also limited UI.
It lacks:
* A decent camera
* A flash plugin for the web browser (drives me crazy that Steve said it was the first real mobile web browser, Safari on iPhone is working but its is far far behind nokias, the only difference is that Safari is a little faster and has a completely zoomed out web page by default)
* A frontal camera for 3G video calls
* A replaceable battery
* The copy/paste function from what I've heard (don't own one myself, but have got to test my pals iPhone)

Also I do not know about running multiple apps, does an equivalence to the cmd-tab exist?

Anyway, since the japanese are much like the nordes when it comes to smartphones, iPhone will probably not be flashy enough for the market..
post #94 of 164
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Along with unlocking it, the trick is to offer free worldwide shipping as it entices buyers from the 175 countries that won't get a 3G iphone come July 11th and the 120 that have no current plans to get one.




My point was that they aren't trying to show horn the American product into other cultures, just their American business model, which apparently works for all cultures with an emerging or established middle class.

Apple has historically tried to shoehorn many of products and they hate having to differentiate their HW. I bet Jobs hate that that different countries have different keyboards. If OLED keyboards become viable I think they will be the first onboard to use them.

I think the iPhone will be a relative success in Japan. Japan is one of the most established markets and the iPhone is missing some key HW features that seem to interest the Japanese, but the touchscreen, as we know, offers countless possibilities for any culture... assuming that the software for Asian characters was developed well.

I wonder if, like in the US, the iPhone was the smartphone for everyone else. We hear a lot of talk about how advanced and complex these phones are but I suspect they might have a significant population that want something simple to use.

I tend to disagree, the Japanese have a slightly different relation to technology and generally like functionality and expandability, while the American population generally wants it simple and user friendly. Now this statement might be a little prejudice, and I really really hope no one take offence =)
post #95 of 164
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Originally Posted by Cbswe View Post

I tend to disagree, the Japanese have a slightly different relation to technology and generally like functionality and expandability, while the American population generally wants it simple and user friendly. Now this statement might be a little prejudice, i really really hope no one take offence =)

The iPhone's software expandability, and thus functionality, is far superior than anything in the EU, Nippon or Korea.

I wish someone in the know would post the most popular (not the most feature rich or expensive) cell phones that are being used. Is the ppi as high as the iPhone? How good are the cameras on these devices (I mean the picture quality, not the Mpxs)? How long does the battery last?
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post #96 of 164
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Well true HSPDA is 7.2MP right? The iPhone only does 3.2

No. 3.6 is the initial HSDPA offering with additional speed increases coming to 7.2. You are right and wrong at the same time.
post #97 of 164
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Originally Posted by Cbswe View Post

Extremely un-surprising, the iPhone may be relatively good looking and have a nice and (very) simple but also limited UI.

What exactly is limited about the UI?
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* A decent camera

It was found within Flikr tags that most of the mobile phone pictures on Flikr came from the iPhone.

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* A flash plugin for the web browser (drives me crazy that Steve said it was the first real mobile web browser, Safari on iPhone is working but its is far far behind nokias, the only difference is that Safari is a little faster and has a completely zoomed out web page by default)

Mobile phones use flash lite which does not support all of the features of flash 9. So either way you don't receive the full benefit of flash.

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* A frontal camera for 3G video calls

From surveys video conferencing is not an overly popular feature.

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running multiple apps

Why would you need to run multiple apps on the tiny screen of a phone?
post #98 of 164
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

I don't use it, but there a lot of people craving for it for ages, they should have added it.

A2DP is a very nice and easily to implement software based solution. While not exactly audiophile quality, it is okay for most people. I have a pair of stereo BT headsets that I use with my Nokia N82 while running, walking, etc... For the other times I use a pair of Shure SE 530's. Mucho better sound.
post #99 of 164
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

Mobile phones use flash lite which does not support all of the features of flash 9. So either way you don't receive the full benefit of flash.

Gizmodo tested the N95 against the 3G iPhone speeds with it's Flash Lite turned off. Not only did it load pages faster, it also uses considerable less battery.




PS: We now have proof that Adobe has been working on Flash for the iPhone for months and is still not ready, so why we keep blaming Jobs?
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post #100 of 164
[QUOTE=TenoBell;1267212]It was found within Flikr tags that most of the mobile phone pictures on Flikr came from the iPhone.QUOTE]

You are right.

Great pics here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/iphone/

I sure wish my other cell phone cameras (Razr & Nokia) were as good as my iPhone.

More here: http://iphonephotos.org/train-trek/ absolutely gorgeous

post #101 of 164
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Originally Posted by eatapc View Post

Correct. Japanese consumers are light years ahead of us in how they use their cells phones. Every day they use their phones in ways that might seem like science fiction to Americans. Advice to Steve Jobs: Take a trip to Japan and figure out that market. It'll benefit us all.

Exactly. Right on the money. It seems, as though Steve Jobs knows better than we the users. I have a Nokia N82, and use almost all the functions either daily or at least 2 or 3 times a week. Many of the features that are coming into the US market have been around for years and years. I find it a bit amusing to hear from my friends in State that come to Europe and actually ask about such simple things as texting. Apple needs to hire some Japanese guys, and Nokia guys to really get a handle on feature sets.
post #102 of 164
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

The iPhone's software expandability, and thus functionality, is far superior than anything in the EU, Nippon or Korea.

I wish someone in the know would post the most popular (not the most feature rich or expensive) cell phones that are being used. Is the ppi as high as the iPhone? How good are the cameras on these devices (I mean the picture quality, not the Mpxs)? How long does the battery last?

If you want, I can post some pics taken with my iPhone and my N82 side by side and we can compare. In short the iPhones cam is simply no match. If interested let me know. To be fair, I will take the pics outdoors, in sunlight to give the iPhone a chance.
post #103 of 164
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby View Post

If you want, I can post some pics taken with my iPhone and my N82 side by side and we can compare. In short the iPhones cam is simply no match. If interested let me know. To be fair, I will take the pics outdoors, in sunlight to give the iPhone a chance.

Thanks, but I'm well aware of Nokia's image quality. I'm talking about the feature crammed, orgasmically specced out devices being used in the Japan. Unless you are saying that the N82 is one of the most common phones in Japan.

BTW, what is the ppi for the N82?
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post #104 of 164
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

thanks, But I'm Well Aware Of Nokia's Image Quality. I'm Talking About The Feature Crammed, Orgasmically Specced Out Devices Being Used In The Japan. Unless You Are Saying That The N82 Is One Of The Most Common Phones In Japan.

Btw, What Is The Ppi For The N82?

Ppi ?
post #105 of 164
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Originally Posted by Cbswe View Post

I tend to disagree, the Japanese have a slightly different relation to technology and generally like functionality and expandability, while the American population generally wants it simple and user friendly. Now this statement might be a little prejudice, and I really really hope no one take offence =)

No offense, but the japanese like to pretend to themselves that they like functionality and features, but as most here who are responding from Japan say, that's few actually use any of the complex, not user friendly features.

That's very different from buying phones that have those features.
post #106 of 164
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

The iPhone's software expandability, and thus functionality, is far superior than anything in the EU, Nippon or Korea.

I wish someone in the know would post the most popular (not the most feature rich or expensive) cell phones that are being used. Is the ppi as high as the iPhone? How good are the cameras on these devices (I mean the picture quality, not the Mpxs)? How long does the battery last?

The Symbian platform (wich Nokias smartphones use)is probably the most advanced non-asian mobile platform there is, you can install tons and tons of apps, games and emulators, with a very flexible variety of UI, while the iPhone has at least for all apps a rather limited set of UI wich makes all the iPhone apps look the same in a genetic kind of way.

The picture quality is better then the iPhones, it is in higher resolution and the Nokia phones come with a flash and Carl Zeiss lenses. I do not own a iPhone so unfortunately I can't take two fotos of the same object with the different cameras, but if I bump into my iPhone-owning friend I'll be sure to do so.

The battery lasts great, I bought my Nokia N95 when it came out over a year ago and it works like it was new, even any battery life shortage is unnoticeable.

The only thing Nokia phones lack is optical zoom, perhaps a little more RAM (for stuff like Quake 2 with Open GL enabled wich only the 8GB version of Nokia N95 can run (however the original N95 can run Quake 1 with Open GL and Quake 2 with software rendering)) and a Nvidia tegra graphics card to top it all off and it'll be perfect.
post #107 of 164
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

No offense, but the japanese like to pretend to themselves that they like functionality and features, but as most here who are responding from Japan say, that's few actually use any of the complex, not user friendly features.

That's very different from buying phones that have those features.

Well I wouldn't know that, but I still think they are a lot more into technology..
post #108 of 164
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Originally Posted by Cbswe View Post

The Symbian platform (wich Nokias smartphones use)is probably the most advanced non-asian mobile platform there is, you can install tons and tons of apps, games and emulators, with a very flexible variety of UI, while the iPhone has at least for all apps a rather limited set of UI wich makes all the iPhone apps look the same in a genetic kind of way.

The picture quality is better then the iPhones, it is in higher resolution and the Nokia phones come with a flash and Carl Zeiss lenses. I do not own a iPhone so unfortunately I can't take two fotos of the same object with the different cameras, but if I bump into my iPhone-owning friend I'll be sure to do so.

The battery lasts great, I bought my Nokia N95 when it came out over a year ago and it works like it was new, even any battery life shortage is unnoticeable.

The only thing Nokia phones lack is optical zoom, perhaps a little more RAM (for stuff like Quake 2 with Open GL enabled wich only the 8GB version of Nokia N95 can run (however the original N95 can run Quake 1 with Open GL and Quake 2 with software rendering)) and a Nvidia tegra graphics card to top it all off and it'll be perfect.


Get the N82 mate. You will love it even more. I had one of the 1st N95's that came out. It was great but until they updated the software, and added A-GPS, battery life was terrible. My N82 will run about 2 or 3 days until dead with GPS, cam, and normal phone usage, all while being connected to a 3G network, and using 7.2 Mb/sec HSDPA.
post #109 of 164
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby View Post

Ppi ?

pixel per inch. The screen resolution isn't very helpful if we don't know the size of the screen, so getting the ppi is a quick way of telling the density of the pixels on the display.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

The iPhone's software expandability, and thus functionality, is far superior than anything in the EU, Nippon or Korea.

I wish someone in the know would post the most popular (not the most feature rich or expensive) cell phones that are being used. Is the ppi as high as the iPhone? How good are the cameras on these devices (I mean the picture quality, not the Mpxs)? How long does the battery last?

I can post some examples, I havn't taken these pics myself because I don't have access to a upload server and stuff, also I am lazy =)

Outdoor pic:
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/revie...mera/train.jpg

Indoor:
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/revie...era/indoor.jpg

A human =):
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/revie...mera/steve.jpg
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

pixel per inch. The screen resolution isn't very helpful if we don't know the size of the screen, so getting the ppi is a quick way of telling the density of the pixels on the display.

Here you go.

Display
2.4" LCD QVGA (240 x 320 pixels) TFT color display with up to 16.7 million colors.

Additional info: http://europe.nokia.com/A4674003
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby View Post

Here you go.

Display
2.4" LCD QVGA (240 x 320 pixels) TFT color display with up to 16.7 million colors.

Additional info: http://europe.nokia.com/A4674003

It has 166.7ppi. For comparison, the iPhone with a 3.5" display at 480x320 resolution has a ppi of 164.83, but their website says 163. I was hoping they would up the pixel density to over 200ppi for the new iPhone.
http://www.thirdculture.com/joel/shu...e/ppicalc.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixels_per_inch
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post #113 of 164
Your observation that the survey was taken prior to the announcement of the significant price drop and that that could change the results was a very big understatement. Price is obviously very much a factor in driving volume. Take another survey now that we know more about the product and its price. I guarantee the results would be very different. Or, just wait until the device is finally shipping in Japan and we'll find out the real story.

Thompson
post #114 of 164
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Originally Posted by RolandG View Post

How do you charge your multiple batteries? Back in the old days there used to be dedicated charging stations for replacement batteries, but these days are long gone...

Are you constantly changing them, having your device plugged-in all the time? How do you recharge them "on the road"?

I'm on an iPhone now, so I don't have a spare to charge, except for the Mophie Juicepack, which just uses USB/iPod dock cable.

Older phones had a charging dock for that sort of thing.
post #115 of 164
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

What exactly is limited about the UI?

It is bounded to set of UI frameworks

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It was found within Flikr tags that most of the mobile phone pictures on Flikr came from the iPhone.

Popularity‚ȆQuality

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Mobile phones use flash lite which does not support all of the features of flash 9. So either way you don't receive the full benefit of flash.

The majority of the current worldwide web content is probably not Flash9-only

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From surveys video conferencing is not an overly popular feature.

It is still a signature feature of the 3G technology, but I know what you mean

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Why would you need to run multiple apps on the tiny screen of a phone?

I can see how you would find it strange, but once you get started on multi-tasking and using your phone as a laptop you will keep at it and use your RAM memory to the max
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Originally Posted by DistortedLoop View Post

I'm on an iPhone now, so I don't have a spare to charge, except for the Mophie Juicepack...

I hope they update the Juice Pack for the 3G model a lot faster than it took them to come out with the first one.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

The iPhone's software expandability, and thus functionality, is far superior than anything in the EU, Nippon or Korea.

I wish someone in the know would post the most popular (not the most feature rich or expensive) cell phones that are being used. Is the ppi as high as the iPhone? How good are the cameras on these devices (I mean the picture quality, not the Mpxs)? How long does the battery last?

You're totally right, nobody's making top shelf software for japanese phones. The cell phone market certainly isn't so strong that companies like Square Enix make high level games for phones, no sirree! And nobody buys them either, which is why they keep making more, including installments of several of their top selling series. No software for those JAPANEEEZ phones whatsoever.

LOL @ this place.
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Yeah, these fancy-pants iPhone guys sure is stoopid! Who wants one of them there Rembrandts? My velvet Elvis pitcher has a LOT more paint on it and it only cost 89 cents!
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Originally Posted by KamiNoYadoru View Post

You're totally right, nobody's making top shelf software for japanese phones. The cell phone market certainly isn't so strong that companies like Square Enix make high level games for phones, no sirree! And nobody buys them either, which is why they keep making more, including installments of several of their top selling series. No software for those JAPANEEEZ phones whatsoever.

I also never stated nor implied that Japan didn't have a software market for their phones. Even in the US Verizon and RiM have application stores.

What I did state is that OS X iPhone and it's SDK offers much more flexibility and expandability than every other mobile platform. If you have evidence of a mobile OS computing platform that has a better foundation than OS X please post it here so we can take a look at it. I'm talking about a YouTube video of an app doing something cool, I'm talking about websites that talk about the mobile OS, it's free SDK (if there is one) and the system that is designed to get both developers to the platform and users to buy the apps.

PS: Making sardonic remarks doesn't help your argument, especially if they aren't addressing the text you quoted.
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