Originally Posted by Flounder
And that's why you have no credibility. I mean, when Trumpt think you're full of it, you're in trouble.
Perhaps you should consider learning how to read. He didn't say that at all.
Originally Posted by Northgate
Oh, I was definitely pessimistic in 2006. And I'm still pessimistic. I've learned to NEVER underestimate the Republican's ability to create well-timed phony outrage over ANYTHING and do it effectively.
Translation: I've learned that Republicans will actually demonstrate who their opponents are and what they believe.
And then there's the 9/11 WoT fear card. And I'm probably one of the few around here who still thinks that card still has some punch left in it. Shit, SDW fell right in line with the whole "IRAN WILL HAVE NUKES IN 6-MONTHS!!"
I love how you guys are going apeshit about that thread. The statement was from fucking Elbaradei. Do you even know who he is?
They are the MASTERS at campaigning in the gutter. They are the MASTERS at the whisper campaign. They are the MASTERS at the politics of personal destruction. And I don't say this as a slight. I say it in awe of their effectiveness. If I were an Independent running for office I'd hire Republican strategists in a heart beat.
Yes. All of their campaigning is SMEAR and LIES! Democrats are terrible at such things, let me tell you. They're honorable.
Will all that work this year? I don't know. My wife believes Obama will win by a landslide. He won't. Why? Because he's black and Republicans are ringing their hands to remind whitey that he's "different."
Wow. You have absolutely no shame in playing the race card, which Obama himself will use to every advantage. Point out Obama's Marxist political beliefs? You're a racist! Point out his radical associations with racist, anti-American pastors and terrorists? You're a racist! Point out his foreign policy positions are naive? Racist! Point out that he has made statements like "white folks greed runs a world in need?" RACIST!
Originally Posted by addabox
On the other hand, Rove had that "you already know him, he's the guy at the country club with the beautiful date, leaning against the wall smoking a cigarette and making snide remarks about people" Obama characterization, which is tin-eared and wrong headed in so many ways it's hard to know where to start.
I really haven't heard that one, actually.
Most Americans know country club "types"? Black dudes are one of those types? Obama seems like the kind of guy to be making snide remarks about people behind their back? Having a beautiful date is sign of some kind of character flaw?
It's like Rove is confusing Obama with a Bond villain, and more hilariously, thinks that will resonate with the voters. Rove has lost it, he's so personally jealous of a guy like Obama he can't keep his bile in check long enough to make sense, or he's utterly misunderstood the plot.
You know it's slim pickings when the best he can do to indicate sinister or sleazy is "smoking a cigarette."
If this is an example of the Rove machine taking down Obama, it's not really going to be a factor.
Again, I'm not aware of that characterization nor do I think it fits Obama.
In fact, I'll go so far as to say this: we don't really know how effective the Republican smear machine is against a reasonably adroit candidate.
Obama has made mistakes everywhere lately. But nothing sticks.
We have this impression that it's this unstoppable monster, but that's from watching Gore and Kerry just sort of sit there and take it. Clearly, Obama is a more nimble, aggressive, politically adept guy, and his campaign has the organizational chops to respond in ways that Gore and Kerry never did.
For all we know the whole thing is a paper tiger, a blustering bully that falls apart when you give it a good hard jab to the nose.
Right, it's all about organization. It's not that Gore would lie about what he had for breakfast if he thought it would get him a vote. It's not that Kerry received Purple Hearts for scratches, reenacted his time in Vietnam for the camera, lied about his fellow soldiers, claimed to have a medal that didn't exist and voted for things before voting against them. It's not that he argued for military action against Iraq and then said he was arguing for the threat of force.
I mean really...you guys eat this shit up. ANY criticism of your candidate comes from the Republican Smear Machine™. We simply cannot talk about your candidate. It's not allowed.