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A new build of Apple's upcoming Mac OS X 10.5.4 update shows the patch all but finished with most bugs already taken care of in the past, AppleInsider has learned

People aware of the newest build, titled 9E17, say the beta fix again lists no known issues and that just two fixes have been made in the ten days between releases, both of which center around bugs with iCal's shortcuts and sync.

Apple is also said to be asking those with early access to focus on many of the same areas as before, including AirPort and networking with Windows systems, Spaces, and frequently-used programs such as iChat, the iLife suite, and Mail.

The rapidly shortening turnaround between the reported builds should ensure that 10.5.4 will be available before July 11th, when it will be necessary for Mac OS X Leopard users who want upgrade to MobileMe, Apple's online hosting and sync service for Macs, PCs, and Apple handhelds.
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People aware of the newest build, titled 9E17, say the beta fix again lists no known issues and that just two fixes have been made in the ten days between releases, both of which center around bugs with iCal's shortcuts and sync.

????

so are all the complaints that people post in forums just made up then apple?
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with most bugs already taken care of in the past

Oh, so the Sleep issues my MacBook and MacPro have had since Tiger are only in my imagination because--as quoted above--Apple has taken care of all bugs in the past.

Sorry Apple Discussion moderators, my bad. It's not that Apple makes bad products, it's that God makes bad users.
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????

so are all the complaints that people post in forums just made up then apple?

People are complaining in large numbers about private beta versions that Apple hasn't released and are under NDA?

Or are you confusing 10.5.3 with 10.5.4?

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Oh, so the Sleep issues my MacBook and MacPro have had since Tiger are only in my imagination because--as quoted above--Apple has taken care of all bugs in the past.

Are you using the private beta of 10.5.4? This article is about 10.5.4, not about Tiger. Past bugs fixed in 10.5.4 would do nothing to improve your PAST experiences--you'll have to wait until you are actually using 10.5.4 to judge those fixes.

This article is ONLY talking about 10.5.4, and mention of bugs fixed in the past refers to bugs fixed in the many previous seeds of 10.5.4.

The current OS is 10.5.3.

(Also Apple only claims to have fixed bugs that have been caught, I'm sure. Bugs that have never even been caught will have to be fixed another day No OS will ever be perfect.)
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I think MobileMe may launch before the 11th.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1943

"Summary
As part of the transition from .Mac to MobileMe, Web access to .Mac Bookmarks ends on June 30, 2008 (06-30-2008). After this date, you will no longer be able to access or update your bookmarks at (www.mac.com).

To avoid losing any existing .Mac Bookmarks, sync them with Safari on your Mac before June 30, 2008."
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I think MobileMe may launch before the 11th.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1943

"Summary
As part of the transition from .Mac to MobileMe, Web access to .Mac Bookmarks ends on June 30, 2008 (06-30-2008). After this date, you will no longer be able to access or update your bookmarks at (www.mac.com).

To avoid losing any existing .Mac Bookmarks, sync them with Safari on your Mac before June 30, 2008."

I'm guessing that 10.5.4 and Mobile Me are released the same day or MobileMe goes live no more than 24 hours after the 10.5.4 update. I was thinking the 7th, but perhaps it will be on Tuesday, the 1st.

PS: If you're still syncing your bookmarks to Apple's servers so I don't understand why they are removing this simple web-based function.

PPS: Since your data is synced instantly, I'd like there to be an auto-back up feature built into MobileMe so if my phone is stolen or messed with I am not permanently losing everything at once. Sure, I can do a backup from Time Machine and sync again but that requires a precise search. For instance, bookmarks for Safari are located in ~Library/Safari/bookmarks.plist. While this isn't a big deal for you and me it's still a chore, especially if you have to replace all your auto-synced data from different locations. Imagine someone who isn't familiar with the file and folder structure of OS X or someone who is tech-tarded.

Also, since the auto-sync is already setup, I'd like to see Mobile Me with a remote wipe feature. For example, your iPhone gets stolen so you log into your Mobile Me account from a computer somewhere and choose to remove all personal info from the handset and un pair the device from the Mobile Me network, which includes removing the saved password, which will be wiped along with all your other data.

Having a stolen device send back GPS location data or to actually write 1s to the drive would definitely be asking Apple for too much.
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That's ambitious. I suppose, then, that OS X and the Adobe CS3 installer are no longer in mortal combat . . . InDesign no longer must jump over the tops of the trenches through a hail of machine gun fire simply to run . . . Leopard no longer takes longer than the entire works of Beethoven to boot up . . . . Nvidia drivers no longer render graphics like a 1970s PacMan machine.

As they say, I'll believe it when I see it. At this rate, some enterprising individual is going to have to come up with a hack to get Tiger to run on new machines.
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Apple is losing it. What new bugs will this update have? I wont be able to save an InDesign file to the local HD this time.

whatever, another nail in the coffin.
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Apple is losing it. What new bugs will this update have? I wont be able to save an InDesign file to the local HD this time.

whatever, another nail in the coffin.

What's the source of your info that 10.5.4 will be so much worse?

According to previous reports, it actually fixes the CS3 saving bug.

Presumably you're trolling at random

Back to my comfy coffin of Mac usage
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Apple is losing it. What new bugs will this update have? I wont be able to save an InDesign file to the local HD this time.

whatever, another nail in the coffin.

Wow, what's your beef??
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The amazing thing is the given Apple's small biz orientation that they don't think it's imp't to come up with a solution that's closer (even a bit) to something like NowContact/UTD. If Steve Job's were to do a survey on how people actually USE 'address book', they probably learn that NO ONE is using how they intended. Basically it's a repository of email addresses one needs in A.B. to readily use AppleMail. Address Book should be a flat field dbase... not this non sense about varying numbers of fields & with varying values assigned to those fields throughout the dbase. Powerful but makes no sense to the avg user, even me. iCal is great if you ONLY have Appt's and no more than 20 To-Do items. Whose reality is that these days?
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The amazing thing is the given Apple's small biz orientation that they don't think it's imp't to come up with a solution that's closer (even a bit) to something like NowContact/UTD. If Steve Job's were to do a survey on how people actually USE 'address book', they probably learn that NO ONE is using how they intended. Basically it's a repository of email addresses one needs in A.B. to readily use AppleMail. Address Book should be a flat field dbase... not this non sense about varying numbers of fields & with varying values assigned to those fields throughout the dbase. Powerful but makes no sense to the avg user, even me. iCal is great if you ONLY have Appt's and no more than 20 To-Do items. Whose reality is that these days?

Some might disagree with your comment about Address Book. I personally have a Palm Treo which contains over 600 contacts, all perfectly synchronized with Address Book. It works, for the most part, with no problems. I haven't delved into it quite as much as you probably, but I do believe that the importing and exporting could be improved in Address Book. So you may have a good point in that aspect. Side note -- Oh, and yes, for the record, I would love to upgrade to iPhone at some point for even greater compatibility. Now that the price of the phone is better, and they are opening it up to developers, I believe that AT&T needs to make some more affordable plans for people who may not want to use the data features as much. I currently get by on a 5MB add-on to my $29.95 grandfather plan. I'm hardly going to upgrade to a $75+ plan just to get an iPhone. If they're going to stay that expensive, I'll keep getting by on the occasional Google search and checking my email via VersaMail on my good ol' Treo 650. Why do Americans always think that just because they can, they should? Some of us would rather live without a few extra features and pay a little less.
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My battery drains faster and takes longer to charge ever since the 10.5.3 update. Hmmm.....
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I currently get by on a 5MB add-on to my $29.95 grandfather plan. I'm hardly going to upgrade to a $75+ plan just to get an iPhone. If they're going to stay that expensive, I'll keep getting by on the occasional Google search and checking my email via VersaMail on my good ol' Treo 650. Why do Americans always think that just because they can, they should? Some of us would rather live without a few extra features and pay a little less.

What exactly are you grandfathered into. The unlimited/unlimited data package for the iPhone was $20 and will be $30. The $70 price includes minutes.

As for the generalizations of Americans I might be offended if I understood what you meant by that statement.
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[...] Steve Job's [...]

"Steve Job's"?

What's the problem with people and apostrophes?
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My take is - there are no known issues with 10.5.4 build... not that there aren't issues with Leopard. They would prolly save the other stuff for 10.5.5 as they need this one fast for mobileme, etc.
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Apple is losing it. What new bugs will this update have? I wont be able to save an InDesign file to the local HD this time.

whatever, another nail in the coffin.

What's your alternative? A PC?
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The rapidly shortening turnaround between the reported builds should ensure that 10.5.4 will be available before July 11th, when it will be necessary for Mac OS X Leopard users who want upgrade to MobileMe, Apple's online hosting and sync service for Macs, PCs, and Apple handhelds.

Let's just hope those MobileMe servers are faster than .Mac! Sooo slow. Come on Apple, I got the need for speed!.
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[QUOTE=solipsism;1268963]I'm guessing that 10.5.4 and Mobile Me are released the same day or MobileMe goes live no more than 24 hours after the 10.5.4 update. I was thinking the 7th, but perhaps it will be on Tuesday, the 1st.

I will be amazed if they risk waiting until close to the 3G iPhone and mobileme launch day before releasing 10.5.4just too much risk that a show-stopping bug will kill the fanfare, glitz and RDF. I think it will be out this week or before the month end early next week. Any less and there would be no time for emergency bug fixes.
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People are complaining in large numbers about private beta versions that Apple hasn't released and are under NDA?

Or are you confusing 10.5.3 with 10.5.4?



Are you using the private beta of 10.5.4? This article is about 10.5.4, not about Tiger. Past bugs fixed in 10.5.4 would do nothing to improve your PAST experiences--you'll have to wait until you are actually using 10.5.4 to judge those fixes.

This article is ONLY talking about 10.5.4, and mention of bugs fixed in the past refers to bugs fixed in the many previous seeds of 10.5.4.

The current OS is 10.5.3.

(Also Apple only claims to have fixed bugs that have been caught, I'm sure. Bugs that have never even been caught will have to be fixed another day No OS will ever be perfect.)

Miss the point much?

I have zero complaints, but there are a lot of people complaining, seriously are they all making it up? if they are running bata then what do they expect, but it seems to be people running the latest GENERAL PUBLIC Leopard updates, and if they are having problems then I hope to hell that 10.5.4 fixes them.

BTW have you stopped folding? seems like you've made little movement recently.
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Let's just hope those MobileMe servers are faster than .Mac! Sooo slow. Come on Apple, I got the need for speed!.

I hope so. And they better have an SSL server too. Not being able to securely log into mac.com always boggled.
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Since when does Leopard take longer to boot? It boots rather quickly for me???
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????

so are all the complaints that people post in forums just made up then apple?

"No known issues" doesn't mean the software isn't completely bug free. It means that they've addressed the issues they planned on addressing in this particular update, and there are no new known bugs.

No need to be melodramatic about it.
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Since when does Leopard take longer to boot? It boots rather quickly for me???

Indeed, same here. Difference with Tiger is marginal, and since it isn't a clean install but update from Tiger to Leopard, I ain't complaining.

Besides, they're only at .3 people. You can't compare a .11 30 month developed and tested Tiger to a relatively new Leopard. Was .3 Tiger so perfect? I guess not.
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Oh, so the Sleep issues my MacBook and MacPro have had since Tiger are only in my imagination because--as quoted above--Apple has taken care of all bugs in the past.

Sorry Apple Discussion moderators, my bad. It's not that Apple makes bad products, it's that God makes bad users.

What were your sleep issues? Did you try taking it to an Apple Store?

I work in an IT shop & we have had 1 or 2 Macs that had sleep issues & both are hardware related. There is a little magnet in the laptop screen that the Mac uses to detect when the lid is closed. If the sensor that detects the magnet is broken or the connection on the little power management board not being fully made the laptop will often fail to fall asleep when closed or may wake up unexpectedly while closed.

If you are having issues like this try going to the Apple menu & choosing sleep & see if the issues persist. If they don't then it is likely a hardware issue. Manually sleeping requires a key to be pressed for it to wake.

We also had someone once who thought his computer wasn't waking from sleep but it turned out he kept letting his battery die, but didn't realize it had died & so he plugged it in & let it charge. When he went to open it the computer remained off. He pressed the power button & it wasn't responding as he expected so he pressed it again, effectively shutting it back off. Then when he pressed it a 3rd time it was booting instead of resuming, confirming his suspicion that it was randomly shutting off on him.

We showed him the error of his ways & he never had the issue again.
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Apple is losing it. What new bugs will this update have? I wont be able to save an InDesign file to the local HD this time.

whatever, another nail in the coffin.

If you are an Apple user, please get a PC & leave the rest of us happy fellows alone.

Nail in the coffin? You apparently don't follow computer trends cause Apple is far from dying.
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Indeed, same here. Difference with Tiger is marginal, and since it isn't a clean install but update from Tiger to Leopard, I ain't complaining.

Besides, they're only at .3 people. You can't compare a .11 30 month developed and tested Tiger to a relatively new Leopard. Was .3 Tiger so perfect? I guess not.

I really am curious how many of the people still having issues are on PPC. Our IT shop is almost 100% Intel & the only Leopard issues we've had were on PPC.
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I just want my Mini to shut down properly - that's really just it. It sometimes won't and drives me crazy.

For a company that makes the OS and HW, simple things like that should "just work".
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Here's to hoping the DHCP DNS bug is fixed. Somehow I doubt it though.
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Here's to hoping the DHCP DNS bug is fixed. Somehow I doubt it though.

Apple seems to give this kind of thing low priority. Just curious, are you talking about the problem where OS X won't properly communicate back to the DNS server and update DNS records when necessary? I used to have that problem and it would frequently identify my machine as some other machine on the same network. It was enough to drive me crazy at times.

If so, I found a temporary fix for that by hardcoding the machine name in /etc/hostconfig. It's sad when you have to fix a Mac problem by digging into the Unix stuff, but it seems to work very well and our DNS entries update properly for the Macs now.
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I really am curious how many of the people still having issues are on PPC. Our IT shop is almost 100% Intel & the only Leopard issues we've had were on PPC.

Personally I had no issues other than speed on my 12" PowerBook, whereas I have plenty of intermittent and consistent ones on my Feb '08 MacBook Pro: various on-going sleep and wake-from-sleep issues, graphical corruption all around the place (seemingly also related to sleep), FTP share browsing issues (yes I know), and the menubar not updating properly.

And then of course there are the straight bug issues. I've listed and sent feedback on many but my favourite is the fact that the iTunes dashboard widget still does not work properly; personally I don't think it ever will.
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What exactly are you grandfathered into. The unlimited/unlimited data package for the iPhone was $20 and will be $30. The $70 price includes minutes.

As for the generalizations of Americans I might be offended if I understood what you meant by that statement.

solipsism, I've been with AT&T since the beginning of the Cingular generation of their company (many years). The VOICE plan that I am on currently ($29.95) is no longer available, and is therefore referred to by AT&T as a grandfather plan. They don't have any voice plans any more which are this low. Even with 5MB of data AND minutes, my current total plan maxes out at around $45.00 plus taxes and fees. The iPhone is around $70. My point is that AT&T and Apple should give people more control over how much data and minutes they allow themselves to use and this would allow for lower prices. For those of us that are able to curb our appetite for surfing when we're not around our hardwired computers, we could more easily afford the iPhone.

Oh, and by the way, that $45 also includes 1500 text messages. Does the iPhone's $70 plan include texts?

325 anytime minutes, 1000 night & weekend minutes starting at 8PM, 5MB internet, 1500 text messages, no roaming or long distance (not important to me), all for $45 plus taxes and fees. Using a Treo 650.
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325 anytime minutes, 1000 night & weekend minutes starting at 8PM, 5MB internet, 1500 text messages, no roaming or long distance (not important to me), all for $45 plus taxes and fees. Using a Treo 650.

I'm glad your plan works for you, but I think most people want and need a national roaming plan that includes long distance so the comparison is apples and oranges.

The iPhone's unlimited/unlimited data plan includes 200 SMS, which seems odd to me as SMS at a 160 character max is the smaller amount of data one would use on a cell network. Instead, I send emails, whose headers are considerably larger.

Except for the SMS, you really do get a lot more for that extra $15 a month. Even when the difference goes to $25 a month. But, if you don't ever roam, call long distance, prefer to carry a separate PMP, or are a heavy internet user than your plan would be ideal.
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