Originally Posted by jimmac
This must be a part of one of those " Complete thoughts ".
Naw that is some word fun for all of us to enjoy so the tone doesn't become too shrill.
Oh wait... Northgate is here so forget what I said about the conversation trying not to become too shrill. He clearly will wander off the deep end.
Originally Posted by Northgate
I just want to make sure I've got this straight.
Just to be clear, even though you are employing that in a rhetorical sense, you don't have it straight.
In 2004 Karl Rove and the GOP went on an unprecedented character assassination campaign to fully and completely discredit John Kerry's military service. By unprecedented I mean that savage lies, gross exaggerations, and mockery were all carefully and thoughtfully orchestrated for one express purpose...destroy John Kerry.
Perhaps that is the way you saw it but clearly those casting the votes did not. You can claim a thousand times that Kerry wasn't reporting for duty, carrying around a book called 'Tour of Duty' and made no claims about his military experience. You can call a guy unwilling to this day
to release his military records which he claims would prove the critics wrong to be the one who had his character assassinated. Savage lies, gross exaggerations and mockery all carefully and thoughtfully orchestrated for one purpose describes perfectly the Winter Soldier Investigation which is why those who worked against Kerry at that time and continue to do so today
are credible why he is not.
Democrats cried foul from the rooftops. At which point Republicans laughed, mocked and giggled at Democrats for being WATB. Even though every point the SBVT had been countered, the campaign continued, DAILY, and without end until election day.
Countered doesn't mean credibly refuted. They didn't stop at election day either. The people who had claims made against them by Kerry will probably fight to refute them until he is six feet under ground. Democrats cry foul so often that no one pays attention. They have no power when they are in the minority. They have no power when they are in the majority. They are the smartest people in the room yet are fooled by the lies of idiot monkey-boy Bush and his devil child sidekick Rove who eats kittens for lunch and the lies some more. They are never responsible for their positions or votes. They never change positions but are just outmaneuvered by TeH Eval Republicans™.
So what have I learned?
I've learned that because Democrats felt that the GOP had gone WAY OVER THE TOP in attacking John Kerry so fiercely and punishingly, they have somehow pre-empted from talking about a Republican's service. EVER. Republicans say, "He asked for it. He egged it on."
Do I have that right?
Actually what you don't get is your surrogates in the media are slapping you because even they cannot believe how stupid you happen to be in pursuing this. Raising the bar on military service just makes non-service to be a community service organizer look that much less impressive.
A political narrative whereby Obama is compared to McCain at similar stages of their lives is not what the campaign should want.
Mr Obama, at this particular time of his life Sen. McCain was a POW having his arms repeatedly broken and eventually causing permanent disability, to fight the rising communist threat throughout the world. What were you doing at the comparable stage in your life...
Obama... um... I was organizing a tenant's right organization.
What you don't have right is when a comparison makes you look bad, you don't keep bringing it up and making it the centerpiece of discussion. You get it the hell out of there and your surrogates are willing to slap you in the face to make sure it gets done.
John McCain is not wearing his military service and his being POW on his sleeve? As long as McCain doesn't say "reporting for duty" then it's kosher?
No you let him say reporting for duty and then if there are two hundred men who happened to have treated his wounds, signed his medal forms, and had him under his command who want his ass on a platter you run with it. However if you don't have that, you don't keep bringing up a positive for him.
Because I find it really fucking ironic that Republicans are in a twitter over Clark's silly answer to question posed to him when they USED THE NUCLEAR OPTION in 2004. And then they have the unmitigated gall to call Democrats hypocrites! Are you fucking kidding me!!!!!
Nobody is f*cking kidding you. Look I've stated in several threads that I hope the Democrats keep running with this. I hope they think they have hit a homerun and start running the bases. It won't go anywhere because at the core it is a lie.
John Kerry earned three purple hearts. Technically you are right. When you look and see not a single day of service lost to injury, not a single deep wound and take off eight months early from your tour date, even if you are technically right people understand the motivations and actions outside of those rules. You can argue the rules all day. You can argue 2004 all over again. People didn't agree and still don't.
You can argue that being shot down, being a POW, being a hero, being unwilling to be released from being a POW early in front of others, being permanently disabled, serving an additional eight years where you became a captain and commanded a flight squadron during peacetime really...technically isn't executive experience. Technically you might be right but most people won't see it that way. In the meantime you invite unflattering return comparisons and have nothing in the same area to even argue or compare.
Ol'Bob on CBS has it right. Act astonished and hope you shut up and get a clue.