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Plus I highly doubt there will be any major UI overhauls in 10.6 either. From the looks of the dev build.

Would you not consider Resolution Independence a major UI overhaul?
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post #42 of 83
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Wow! That is a beautiful pie chart! Numbers?

Keynote more likely.
post #43 of 83
I just up'd my mbp from 5.3 .. went smooth .. no problems here .. but for how long?

I too was prompted to update my AirPort Extreme firmware to 7.3.2.

15" MacBook Pro 2.16 GHz C2D 2GB RAM 320 GB HDD
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Would you not consider Resolution Independence a major UA overhaul?

I haven't seen that RI is going to be implemented. in fact, I've heard the opposite. link?
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I haven't seen that RI is going to be implemented.

After all the work that has gone into Resolution Independence and the opportunity to sell new Macs and high-margin, high-value 200 dpi monitors to every graphics professional in the world, it would be astonishing if Snow Leopard failed to achieve Resolution Independence. Resolution Independence already works fairly well (some work remains), but doesn't look great on 100 dpi monitors at scale factors other than 1.
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post #46 of 83
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No, actually if I understood the way the trojan horse took advantage was to exploit an issue with ARD allowing root access when it was inactive. That surely seems like a security issue.

To be specific, the Trojan runs an applescript that activates ARDAgent.app that, by testing default in closed environments had suid/guid settings completely wrong for any sense of security.

you can change the suid/guid permissions yourself and this script will fail.
post #47 of 83
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Originally Posted by PB View Post

Keynote more likely.

LoL I thought he meant what were the numbers behind the chart, and was going to say that the whole point of a pie chart is to hide any mention of numbers . What a strange time we exist in.
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On the point updates, I don't remember any UI changes, ever. Maybe there was one or two when the UI had a bug in it somewhere, then fixing it might be a UI change.

What about the UI change in Spaces with 10.5.3? Now when you go to add an app to a space in System Preferences, you see a drop-down menu with all the running apps listed. This did not appear in 10.5.2 and earlier. The beauty of it is that you can now assign Finder to a Space!

My request answered! Thank you, Apple!
post #49 of 83
I was hoping that in this update they would have sorted out the long suffering bug where my Macbook misses out the first letter or two of anything typed if the system hasn't been used for 30 seconds or more it is extremely irritating.
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LoL I thought he meant what were the numbers behind the chart, and was going to say that the whole point of a pie chart is to hide any mention of numbers . What a strange time we exist in.

I think he meant did he use Numbers to produce it. I was thinking Keynote but I think either will do a nice chart like that.
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post #51 of 83
Does anyone know if this update has addressed the issues with Notes and To Dos in Mail?
Or is this another well-documented bug that Apple is ignoring?

Several colleagues have dumped Mail due to its sporadic duplication and deletion of Notes and To Dos. I've stuck it out, but patience is wearing thin...

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post #52 of 83
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Originally Posted by Wonderkid View Post

Our router, one of the best and most popular in the world (a Netgear) has the latest firmware and works fine on all the PCs in our house, my EEE PC Linux edition and Nokia N95 8G. This is a massive bug in Apple's software - else why did all these problems only start with 10.5.2 as well documented across the net?

Apple are shooting themselves in the foot big time here - I for one am losing masses of time which is money having to use a much slower (and more pricy) method to get online.

I smell class action lawsuit.


I don't doubt you are having issues but I'll be danged I've not seen this issue at all in the 70 Macs we employ in our Church. Most are Intels & range from the first Intel Mac released all the way up to current.

Just cause Netgear is popular doesn't mean it is quality, I'd say that has more to do with it's price. I've owned 4 Netgears & never had one that worked exactly right, though the last has been the best. I've been a Netgear owner longer than a Mac user & had issues even when I had a PC. I know 3 people who have Netgears as well & 2 of them have had constant issues (the one not having issues is a Mac user, other 2 are PC users).

All that being said there are a few things you might try.
1. If you are having ghosts in the machine you might try holding Command+option+P+R at boot, before the chime
2. Run a permissions repair on your main drive in Disk Utility, I find permissions to be the issue with many airport issues.

Also, make sure you reboot after running a permissions repair so running services can load using the corrected permissions.

If you are within your warranty you should also have it checked out by Apple, try that first.
post #53 of 83
Hi folks

Today I installed the Mac OS X 10.5.4 Update on my MBP. It worked fine. Then I made a new bootable backup and defragmented my main disk with Drive Genius 2.0.3. This process terminated successfully. I was happy and tried to start my Mac from the main disk. Ha! No way!

Now i'm restoring my backup to my main disk ( about 4 hours ). My question. Did anybody out there make similar experiences? What's the problem? I thought that Apple uses this tool also in their Apple Service Centers. Didn't they test?

My disk is absolutely ok. I did a surface test and it was also successful. It seems, that Drive Genius corrupted the partition table or something else.

thanks for your replies.

Daniel
post #54 of 83
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This is a general discussion forum. Not a forum for specifically helping people with problems so Abster2core is well within the rules of this forum to contest anything written here, so long as he doesn't personally attack anyone. Just as you are well within your right to contest his post.

As for your WIFi problems, the few times I've encountered anything that resembled dropout using iStumbler to see if your router's channel is conflicting with other routers in the area has been the answer. If there are routers on the same channel and you have access to alter the channel then change it and see if it's better.

Beyond that, a complete reinstall is often the answer when you have many little issues and no clear cut reason.

I agree absolutely. I had the same problem until I checked with iStumbler, if somebody shares the same channel. After changing my channel settings it worked fine.
post #55 of 83
Oh no! The wake-from-sleep issues with SMB shares that 10.5.3 fixed are back in 10.5.4!

I miss not having any issues with OS X . Better go restart.
post #56 of 83
It seems modestly better than 10.5.3 but it still is not up to Tiger standards. This is the first Mac OS since 9.2.2 (I skipped 10.0 and 10.1) that I've had stability issues with. It fell apart for me a couple of hours ago after finishing a print job over airport. I think Time Machine is doing it in.

Apple, clean up the code, fix what wasn't broken before Leopard.

I just got my Adobe CS3.3 update disk and I am dreading the installation, after how it took TWO HOURS to deal with CS3. Apparently the problem is that Apple switched some UNIX commands that affect the installer and Adobe didn't get the memo.

As for wireless performance, it is a bit difficult for me to say how it does with third party routers as I switched from a LinkSys 802.11g router to an Airport 802.11n one during 10.5.2 -- so I have no idea what features 5.3 and 5.4 might have broken. Too soon to say how this new router firmware is going to do.

The sad part is that it's giving me that Vista feeling. I certainly hope they make some serious progress this fall or my PowerMac is going to be orphaned on 10.4.
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The sad part is that it's giving me that Vista feeling. I certainly hope they make some serious progress this fall or my PowerMac is going to be orphaned on 10.4.

Ironically in my experience running Vista (32- and 64-bit) in boot camp has been without issues, other than those created by the last boot camp update from Apple, which I am convinced was intended to make Vista seem worse.

It is, however, good to be able to restart into Vista for working FTP/SMB shares, no graphical corruption, no wake-from-sleep issues, and better recognition of the Apple wireless mouse and keyboard than Leopard.

Maybe 10.5.5 will save the world?
post #58 of 83
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

On the point updates, I don't remember any UI changes, ever. Maybe there was one or two when the UI had a bug in it somewhere, then fixing it might be a UI change.

How about restoring to the user the option to kill the transparency in the menu bar?
post #59 of 83
Hmmm. Between the OS update and today's Airport firmware update, I'm noticing what might be the beginnings of an improvement in MBP battery life to something approaching the promised five hours of "wireless productivity." 4:54 indicated remaining time in Safari on this website on Airport with 95 percent of a barely 95 percent battery. I'll post back if this turns out to be for real.
post #60 of 83
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How about restoring to the user the option to kill the transparency in the menu bar?

10.2.3 or so brought in the sunken titlebar widgets across all brushed metal apps. Ahh those were the days .
post #61 of 83
It's not hard to find iSync phone plug-ins to for almost any BlueTooth-capable phone. Agreed we shouldn't have to do this but it's not that big an effort to do once.

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Anybody know when was the last time Apple added any new phones to the iSync compatibility list? Even though the banner at the top of the page says "Mac OS X Leopard" I think that just got slapped on all of the OS X pages when Leopard came out. The notes at the bottom say the page lists phones compatible iSync version 2.4, yet we are now on version 3.0.2.

Does Apple expect everyone to run out and buy an iPhone? Ain't gonna happen. iSync (the application) is practically useless. Yet another one of Apple's cool ideas ignored into oblivion.
post #62 of 83
You have a short-memory, what about the increased opacity of the menu-bar in 10.5.1 (I think)?

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On the point updates, I don't remember any UI changes, ever. Maybe there was one or two when the UI had a bug in it somewhere, then fixing it might be a UI change.
post #63 of 83
Not noticed that but yes improved To-Do list functionality (finally). Can add notes and not just have a title for each to-do among other things.

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Several colleagues have dumped Mail due to its sporadic duplication and deletion of Notes and To Dos. I've stuck it out, but patience is wearing thin...

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post #64 of 83
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Does anyone know if this update resolves any of the following issues:
1- InDesign not hiding properly.
2- Remembering share-point log-ins after sign-in.
3- Wireless authentication delays after waking-up from sleep.

Any new bugs?

Concerning 3 I would say no. I have not seen any explicit error messages, but it still takes a considerable time to reconnect after sleep, and often it seems that some part of airport "re-starts" since the airport icon becomes "hollow" (the icon seen when turning off airport) then grey bars, then waiting, then black bars.

I am using a Macbook core duo and an airport extreme as access point (with a TC as router).
I have updated the TC and extreme to 7.3.2.
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Hi folks

Today I installed the Mac OS X 10.5.4 Update on my MBP. It worked fine. Then I made a new bootable backup and defragmented my main disk with Drive Genius 2.0.3. This process terminated successfully. I was happy and tried to start my Mac from the main disk. Ha! No way!

Why defragment your hard disk? Mac OS X does it automatically for any file below 20 MB. I don't know what would be the implications to go beyond that limit, but Apple should consider to.
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Originally Posted by MartiNZ View Post

Maybe 10.5.5 will save the world?

Perhaps, but I think 10.5.5 might be another relatively small set of patches timed to provide support for Montevina-based systems. I would anticipate 10.5.6 would more likely be another jumbo release with hundreds of fixes.
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post #67 of 83
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Why defragment your hard disk? Mac OS X does it automatically for any file below 20 MB. I don't know what would be the implications to go beyond that limit, but Apple should consider to.

I think this is a discussion without ending. A lot of people say it's necessary and and others say it's not necessary. So what's the truth? Separate from this I had a very bad peformance on my disk and Drive Genius showed me this drive very defragmented. Under 10.5.3 I corrected my disk and after that the Performance was really better. Ok, this time I must admit, it was a mistake. it wasn't really necessary. But I did and it failed. Independent of the fact if it's necessary or not, It should work and Apple has to check it out. BTW, also PROSOFT should check it out.

thanks for your reply!
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I think this is a discussion without ending.

Certainly. But there is one important point in this affair beyond debate: if you are not routinely working with large files and your hard drive has plenty of room left (not unusual these days), then the benefits from defragmenting are easily defeated by the risk of doing so.

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A lot of people say it's necessary and and others say it's not necessary. So what's the truth?

See above. It depends on usage. I have an old Powerbook 12" with Panther in it. The installation is more than 4 years old. Yet, and although many large files (hundreds of MB's or some GB's each) have lived on its hard disk, it remains in exceptionally good shape performance-wise. Well, a logout is probably needed from time to time since the machine has just 640 MB of memory, but that's all. I would never try defragmenting it. Even though it has less than 3 GB free left.

I had tried defragmenting in the old OS 9 days with Disk Warrior (I think that was it). Apart the eventual placebo effect, I saw no difference. For my use it was just not necessary and I completely gave up 7 or 8 years now.
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Certainly. But there is one important point in this affair beyond debate: if you are not routinely working with large files and your hard drive has plenty of room left (not unusual these days), then the benefits from defragmenting are easily defeated by the risk of doing so.

You are right! The risk and the price is to high! Though in my case it increased the performance. My computer runs now smoothly.

BTW I work with large Video files on a separate disk, even so I will avoid to do it again.

Thanks for your opinion.
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Oh no! The wake-from-sleep issues with SMB shares that 10.5.3 fixed are back in 10.5.4!

I miss not having any issues with OS X . Better go restart.

Actually, 10.5.3 did not fix this for me anyhow. waking when having been attached to an SMB share was still a problem for me. So I guess I'm not losing anything by "upgrading".
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You are right! The risk and the price is to high! Though in my case it increased the performance. My computer runs now smoothly.

BTW I work with large Video files on a separate disk, even so I will avoid to do it again.

Thanks for your opinion.

I had to defrag a few months ago, but for an entirely different reason: Boot Camp Assistant refused to make a Windows partition because there was an unmovable file in the way. Defragmenting the drive (by cloning to an external, booting from it, and cloning back) worked wonders.
post #72 of 83
10.5.4 has now screwed things up.

I've now got back a previous problem I had with iSync and Conflict Resolver. I get about 3,500 conflicts which I cannot resolve, and it eats up over 50% of my processor constantly. Not only that, but my usual fix (resetting sync history in iSync) does not do the trick.

I can't even disable the sync services. I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to do about it.
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10.5.4 has now screwed things up.

I've now got back a previous problem I had with iSync and Conflict Resolver. I get about 3,500 conflicts which I cannot resolve, and it eats up over 50% of my processor constantly. Not only that, but my usual fix (resetting sync history in iSync) does not do the trick.

I can't even disable the sync services. I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to do about it.

If it worked correctly under 10.5.3, then you should revert to 10.5.3 and apply only the security patches.
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If it worked correctly under 10.5.3, then you should revert to 10.5.3 and apply only the security patches.

Thanks but I think I'm okay now... I let it do its stuff a few times. It took a while but it seems to have stopped messing up now.

It's annoying though that there doesn't seem to be a way of switching off Conflict Resolver...
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On the point updates, I don't remember any UI changes, ever. Maybe there was one or two when the UI had a bug in it somewhere, then fixing it might be a UI change.

10.5.1 and/or 10.5.2 ( I don't remember which) had several UI changes - particularly regarding the dock (hierarchical menus) and the translucent menu bar.
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..you should revert to 10.5.3 and apply only the security patches.

How is it accomplished? After the latest update I'm having problems with file sharing between my iMac and Macbook (they're on the same wireless network). In addition to that, after 10.5.4 update I cannot connect my Nokia 6290 to any of my Macs via bluetooth. They just stopped detecting each other...
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How is it accomplished?..

Yeah, great question, right? Wouldn't it be nice to be able to uninstall updates? And have MacOS X catch up to oh, say, Windows XP or earlier. Every time they come out with a new OS X I'm more baffled that they haven't fixed this problem. They seriously botch certain setups with point updates regularly (although perhaps this can never be completely avoided.) A rollback feature would be an acceptable fix...

Anyhow the answer to the question is: you can't. You have to re-install the entire OS. It's a terrible situation. I'm remembering the hell that 10.3.9 was for me...
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Yeah, great question, right? Wouldn't it be nice to be able to uninstall updates? And have MacOS X catch up to oh, say, Windows XP or earlier. Every time they come out with a new OS X I'm more baffled that they haven't fixed this problem. They seriously botch certain setups with point updates regularly (although perhaps this can never be completely avoided.) A rollback feature would be an acceptable fix...

Anyhow the answer to the question is: you can't. You have to re-install the entire OS. It's a terrible situation. I'm remembering the hell that 10.3.9 was for me...

Obviously you've never heard of Time Machine, Carbon Copy Cloner or Super Duper. I don't know about the other two, but doing an effective rollback with Carbon Copy Cloner takes a matter of minutes.
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post #79 of 83
That's kind of a different scenario and in this case overkill, if I'm thinking right. Time Machine is so simple it's basically a solution, but what if you install the update, immediately notice an application doesn't work or that there is another problem, and then simply want to uninstall the update? This is problem a common scenario, at least when an update causes a problem. Since I have a laptop, like a huge number (majority?) of other Mac users, I only plug in my external drive to update it with Time Machine every few days, sometimes only once every week or two. With your solution, I'd have to find out what else precisely I wanted to keep that had been changed since the update, right? That sounds like a lot of time, if lots of things changed.

It can't be that hard technically for Apple to add the ability to roll back updates. In fact I think it's well within the scope of a point update and they should do this in the next point update for 10.5 Leopard. Hopefully at least 10.6. I say anyone that is with me on this writes to Apple in Feedback, I'm going to now.

I don't use 3rd party applications is that they are a hassle. I've used both CCC and Super. I never used them regularly because they were a hassle, and as Steve Jobs pointed out, this is why Time Machine is brilliant. I just plug my drive in, then unplug it when Time Machine is done in a few minutes. Simply brilliant.

Anyhow, I'm happy to report that 10.5.4 has been a fantastic success on my MacBook Core 2 Duo so far, with my minimal set of 3rd party applications such as Office 2008.
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That's kind of a different scenario and in this case overkill, if I'm thinking right. Time Machine is so simple it's basically a solution, but what if you install the update, immediately notice an application doesn't work or that there is another problem, and then simply want to uninstall the update? This is problem a common scenario, at least when an update causes a problem. Since I have a laptop, like a huge number (majority?) of other Mac users, I only plug in my external drive to update it with Time Machine every few days, sometimes only once every week or two. With your solution, I'd have to find out what else precisely I wanted to keep that had been changed since the update, right? That sounds like a lot of time, if lots of things changed.

Not a hassle at all. Like I said, it's a matter of minutes.

Anything can go wrong when doing something major to your system like updating it, so you should always take a backup immediately before applying the update anyway.

Then, you update, and if something is now not working right, you simply boot from your backup, and clone it back to your built-in drive. You don't have to work out what's changed, CCC does that for you (with its "incremental backup of selected items", it'll just make the necessary changes to the target disk to make it match the source disk; in the case of rolling back an OS update it'll just take a few minutes).

If the last time you used CCC was when it was at version 2, you really should check out version 3, as it's made some very significant improvements since then.

Presumably, it shouldn't be too difficult to roll back the system from a Time Machine backup, but I don't know the necessary steps. I guess that it would be nice if Apple could put a "roll back update" button in Time Machine somewhere.
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