Originally Posted by slicedbread
Couldn't agree more. For business users, okay. For average consumers, it's too much added expense for too little value. AT&T is going to have to drop these prices. I won't be surprised if demand turns out to be much lower than they are anticipating.
You are right that many consumers certainly don't NEED an excellent smartphone with highspeed mobile email and internet access. It is a luxury, and one that many will pay for. For corporate users, entrepreneurs, independent contractors, etc, $1 a day for your primary business tool while you are out of home or office is couch change...
For others, it is spendy, but it all comes down to what your priorities are. Most people already spend $40+ on their cellphone, so we are really just talking about $30 extra a month here for the data package. Think about it, many people will easily spend $30 in a month on totally frivolous products/services. Seriously, people could avoid starbucks and make coffee at home for ONE WEEK and pay for the iPhone data package. Or skip eating out at a restaurant ONE TIME!
Originally Posted by TheSnarkmeister
G.R.E.E.D that's how to spell iPhone 3G!
Originally Posted by freakboy
AT&T is using it's monopoly position wth the iphone to gouge its customers. Who is surprised.
Originally Posted by Jack Mac
the tacky ATT service coverage combined with what we consider abusive cost, that we will pass for another 2 years. Maybe at some time in the future Apple will be able to work with other carriers and we will enjoy their product.
"greed", "gouging", "abusive costs" ? *sigh*. I guess I just need to stop rehashing the same argument, but I don't know if people are actually reading the thread or not, so here we go again.
The iPhone 3G plans are the SAME PRICE as all other smartphones voice/data packages on AT&T, and in fact are $10 cheaper than the Verizon equivalent. How exactly does that make them "abusive costs"? The original iPhone plans were discounted because the device was limited to EDGE and sold UNSUBSIDIZED. The new prices now bring the iPhone in line with their other smartphone offerings. With the subsidy of the iPhone 3G now bringing the price to $200, it nearly cancels out the increase in monthly rates at the end of the contract. It's like $40 more over two years.
Originally Posted by chrisgeleven
This is it. I am officially not buying an iPhone. The previous iPhone plans were the perfect price sweetspot for me. My wife and I were planning to get iPhones when our Verizon contract finished in December. If I had know about this price increase, I would even be tempted to break my current contract and get the 1G iPhone, because clearly we are getting screwed now.... Our current family plan with Verizon is $75 a month for 2 lines, 500 minutes....
Your current family plan with Verizon certainly doesn't include unlimited data. There is still hope for you though, as far as i know, since iPhone version 1 buyers were able to remove the data package after activating their service. Perhaps that will still be the case with iPhone 3G... We'll find out soon..
Originally Posted by AgNuke1707
<SIGH> I don't understand the difficulty a lot of people are having here, I really and truly don't. I've been
Don't try to understand it, I too am exhausted from the madness. Many of these people commenting don't want to hear the actual facts, like how the iPhone 3G plans are the SAME PRICE as all other voice/data smartphone plans on AT&T, or how the plans are actually $10-15 cheaper than their equivalent with Verizon, or how the iPhone 3G subsidy nearly cancels out any plan increase, etc and just wish to bitch and moan.
Originally Posted by bigmike
*snip* Someone mentioned the iPhone being worth the $200 price but in reality it can't cost that much to manufacture. Steve Jobs isn't an idiot. Apple's making something off every iPhone no matter what configuration one gets.
The iPhone 3G has been reported to cost around $150 in materials, which doesn't include assembly, shipping, distribution, marketing, R&D, etc. Perhaps part of the reason why AT&T isn't providing special iPhone 3G plans that are cheaper than their other smartphones is that Apple is reported to seriously gouging them on the wholesale price, and so AT&T is possibly paying over $500 to Apple for the phones.
Originally Posted by slicedbread
One big problem is that the data plan is REQUIRED with the iPhone, where it is NOT required with a Blackberry, for example, on AT&T. Why does this matter?
Your situation is totally understandable.. With the original iPhone, people were able to remove the data package on the internet account management after they signed up. It will be interesting to see if this will stay the same. In that case, people wouldn't HAVE to have the data package... at worst they might get charged $30 for the first month and thereafter they would not have to pay for it...
Originally Posted by elearn
The reason is that the products T-Mobile and Verizon and the other companies are shipping now is better than what they were shipping this time last year. I'm not looking for an iPhone or an iPhone killer. I am interested in buying something that looks cool and that works seamlessly with my [and my family's] Macs.
The products T-mobile, Sprint, and Verizon are shipping are different and a bit better than last year, but they are certainly no "iPhone killers"...
And the iPhone is certainly a nice looking piece of kit, but if you are only buying a phone for looks and Mac syncing, there are many other phones that provide a lot less functionality for a cheaper price. The iPhone is really meant for people who need to be connected on the go to email, websites, line of business applications, corporate apps, etc.
Originally Posted by samab
If you want turn-by-turn navigation service with live traffic update --- then it's going to be $10 a month --- regardless of what carrier you use. The map makers determine the price --- not the app makers.
My point is that Verizon charges you $10/month for their navigation service. Am i able to load up any java application i wish and have it access the GPS signal, or does Verizon block that out like they do with bluetooth file transfer and other nefarious crap?
Originally Posted by Callaway7
Currently have a family plan, ATT Tilt and Blackberry 8310. Paying $143 for 550 minutes of talk plus $5 per phone for 200 text messages. My plan for the Tilt is $59.99 (w/ unlimited data) so going to $69.99 for just the pleasure of using an iPhone does suck imho. Tilt already has 3g, has GPS, and does it all except it's not an iPhone. So having to pay an extra $10 a month just because it's an iPhone stinks.
Where are you getting the $59.99 number if both phones are on a family plan? Is the iPhone $10 more to add to the family plan than the tilt? I guess I didn't look much into the family plans, but a Tilt or any other smartphone on a regular individual voice+data plan is the same price as the iPhone plans.