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post #41 of 63
7/1/08 at 10:59pm
Can anyone comment on using Google SMS from the iPhone? Would it be the same or "good enough" as having it from at&t? Pro's/Con's?? http://www.google.com/intl/en_us/mobile/apple/
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post #42 of 63
7/1/08 at 11:21pm
It seems reasonable that removing those two screws will allow the back to snap off. What better reason than to change the battery? As such, you'll find the battery is no longer soldered on. They may now be viewing this differently because the phone is a critical device, unlike the iPod... it must be usable. Whereas before, they considered design aesthetics more important, they made a "concession" here for a higher purpose. I've had this post reviewed by Schlepsky, flunkerstilipop, and bloopintrank for anything that might upset *someone* and they basically said don't worry about it.
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post #43 of 63
7/1/08 at 11:37pm
When I travel to Europe I can now take my iphone with me and use it as my computer.

I was afraid before that if I turned it on not in airplane mode, even within a wi-fi zone,
that the edge network would kick on for awhile before the wi-fi kicked in, resulting in
huge charges over the life of a vacation. I have heard of this happening. Now I can turn
on the wi-fi only, pick up my email and cruise the internet without being charged.
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post #44 of 63
7/2/08 at 12:32am
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Originally Posted by 8CoreWhore View Post

Can anyone comment on using Google SMS from the iPhone? Would it be the same or "good enough" as having it from at&t? Pro's/Con's?? http://www.google.com/intl/en_us/mobile/apple/

"Google SMS" doesn't mean you get a SMS service from Google, it means you can get information from Google using your existing SMS service from your cellular carrier.
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post #45 of 63
7/2/08 at 2:13am
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Originally Posted by 8CoreWhore View Post

It seems reasonable that removing those two screws will allow the back to snap off. What better reason than to change the battery? As such, you'll find the battery is no longer soldered on....

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Originally Posted by wanchaiman View Post

Yes.... that' what I thought


It'll be interesting to watch/monitor the working life expectancy of the battery over the course of 3G iPhone ownership. With all its chockablock features --- voice, video, iPod, email, aGPS, WiFi, etc --- a heavy user could really work a battery into the ground...

A few of many possible scenarios:

.... work a battery into the ground,

a: before the 1 year warranty expires

b: just after the 1 year warranty expires (gotta luv planned obsolescence

c: before a 2-year contract expires, thereby precluding a user from the customary new contract incentive, like an iPhone upgrade

d: and for our fellow Canadians, before a **3-year contract** expires (the lone option for an iPhone)


Having an easy(ier) battery access might be beneficial all 'round.


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post #46 of 63
7/2/08 at 3:56am
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Originally Posted by merdhead View Post

There's no need for you to be an arse, calling me an ass. The statement isn't supported by the facts. Apple don't care about screws, they care about design. Screws are neither here nor there. What other companies do with respect to their screws is irrelevant.

AI has a long history of delivering the most appalling analysis. Only ongoing, harsh criticism will make them stop.

so don't read the site. Easy solution.
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post #47 of 63
7/2/08 at 5:29am
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Originally Posted by rg_spb View Post

They mention speaker (singular) and microphone. Which means only one of those is a speaker (the one on the left per the demo) and the other is the microphone.

They probably didn't point that out because it's no different than the current iPhone.
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post #48 of 63
7/2/08 at 7:05am
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Originally Posted by bostocked View Post

One detail is missing is how the AT&T rep will activate iphone? If he's going be holding it, his hands better be clean.

METhinks that the att reps will not need to touch the screens at all, they should be able to plug them into their terminals and\\or cashwrap stations and activate them using a special tool.
You can't quantify how much I don't care -- Bob Kevoian of the Bob and Tom Show.
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You can't quantify how much I don't care -- Bob Kevoian of the Bob and Tom Show.
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post #49 of 63
7/2/08 at 8:24am
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Originally Posted by merdhead View Post

There is no evidence that Apple "pride themselves" on having no screws.

Depends on where the screws are. Apple has no problem requiring 30 internal screws to be removed before replacing basic components in a Mac. But when it comes to screws on the outside, Steve Jobs brags about how the outside of the aluminum iMac has only 2 screws for the memory door. Hence the need for idiotic tools like putty knives and suction cups to open up certain Macs. The original iMac G5 had 3 screws on the bottom, allowing the entire back panel to be easily removed for easy access to internal components. But never mind all that, as long as Apple gets to save 1 screw on the outside.
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post #50 of 63
7/2/08 at 8:26am
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Originally Posted by merdhead View Post

There's no need for you to be an arse, calling me an ass. The statement isn't supported by the facts. Apple don't care about screws, they care about design. Screws are neither here nor there. What other companies do with respect to their screws is irrelevant.

AI has a long history of delivering the most appalling analysis. Only ongoing, harsh criticism will make them stop.

OMG. I got a feeling that is how you treated your parents before they tossed you out.
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post #51 of 63
7/2/08 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by nothowie View Post

When I travel to Europe I can now take my iphone with me and use it as my computer.

I was afraid before that if I turned it on not in airplane mode, even within a wi-fi zone,
that the edge network would kick on for awhile before the wi-fi kicked in, resulting in
huge charges over the life of a vacation. I have heard of this happening. Now I can turn
on the wi-fi only, pick up my email and cruise the internet without being charged.

Your fears were well founded. Sitting in a coffee shop in Amsterdam last year - getting several days of email - suddenly the wifi 'died' (someone sat too close?) - nice $115 charge to At&t. At least they made a change so that you could turn data services OFF if you were 'roaming' this already helped prevent this problem.
BTW the $115 was for the whole 4 day trip - so it probably happened several times
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post #52 of 63
7/2/08 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by merdhead View Post

Your reading the fairy tales seems to be a bit off.

Give the kid a break, guys ... He's obviously got nothing else to do...
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post #53 of 63
7/2/08 at 9:39am
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Originally Posted by merdhead View Post

Yeah, like the seven screws on my MacBook, including two on one side that are purely cosmetic.

Thank you again for your thoughtful analysis, AI.

No, thank you for your thoughtful analysis French swear word head.
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post #54 of 63
7/2/08 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by bostocked View Post

One detail is missing is how the AT&T rep will activate iphone? If he's going be holding it, his hands better be clean.

Adrian Monk, I presume?
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post #55 of 63
7/2/08 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

OMG. I got a feeling that is how you treated your parents before they tossed you out.

Wow, you analysis is even better than AI's. Congrats.
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post #56 of 63
7/2/08 at 4:27pm
Has nobody noticed the new 'Two Finger Tap' to zoom out? Pretty cool I think, oh and why is everyone arguing about a couple of little screws, blimey!
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post #57 of 63
7/2/08 at 5:04pm
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Originally Posted by Claude427 View Post

I am totally surprised by the dearth of comments about the possible mitigation of the fees proposed by AT&T for SMS, give the overwhelm debate in an earlier post. That, to me, is the biggest news in this article.

i suspect this app is part of why no one at Apple seems to care about the lack of included SMS messages. they knew this was coming.

and even if there is a charge, I imagine most folks would be willing to play a one time $5-10 than the same every month. although I'd have thought that apple would have made an ichat for the iphone by now.
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post #58 of 63
7/2/08 at 5:35pm
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Originally Posted by Animal Farm View Post


Any word if AT&T's text charges are for outbound only, or both inbound and outbound messages? Regardless, it'll cut at least half the cost if you care to deal with the hassle... and if this works.

i do it on my regular phone. it is both ways. so every message regardless of original costs you money.
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post #59 of 63
7/4/08 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by merdhead View Post

Yeah that was a bit of a joke, but it obviously went over your head.

Find a current forum member that agrees with you that it's a joke and I'll concede that.

My current impression is that you decided to backtrack and try to call it a joke when shenanigans were called.
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post #60 of 63
7/4/08 at 8:48am
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Originally Posted by nothowie View Post

When I travel to Europe I can now take my iphone with me and use it as my computer.

I was afraid before that if I turned it on not in airplane mode, even within a wi-fi zone,
that the edge network would kick on for awhile before the wi-fi kicked in, resulting in
huge charges over the life of a vacation. I have heard of this happening. Now I can turn
on the wi-fi only, pick up my email and cruise the internet without being charged.

This works with the current iPhone, I have done it for a year (at least after 1.1 release). If Data Roaming is off then egde data won't be used.
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post #61 of 63
7/4/08 at 8:49am
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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

i do it on my regular phone. it is both ways. so every message regardless of original costs you money.

ATT does not charge for incoming calls on the current iPhone plans. Check your bill, I just did. Total minutes this month so far 88. 56 outgoing, 32 incoming. 56 charged against my minutes limit.
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post #62 of 63
7/4/08 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by merdhead View Post

Thank you for your pandering support of AI. Now do you have anything that supports the notion that they really don't like screws? I've already said that they aim for good design, which is my point. Movie references are not very convincing arguments since they are based on a work of fiction and fantasy. The only fact you assert in your post is incorrect. Pixar is a division of Disney and has no CEO. Jobs has no executive position in Disney or Pixar but has a seat on the Disney board (he is the largest individual shareholder).

You're right on the CEO/Disney part. Although Steve Jobs is no longer the "CEO," he does still have tons of influence in Pixar and is a stakeholder (and stockholder) in Pixar (and Disney).

But regardless, let me bring you back to the original point:

Fact: none of Apple's other iPods or the original iPhone (collectivly "handheld devices") have visible screws.

Conclusion: Apple tries to keep screws hidden.

Is that really too daring of a conclusion?
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post #63 of 63
7/16/08 at 8:35pm
Having finally tried to watch the source video for this article, I think it's quite annoying. There were eight mentions of the product name in the first minute, once in title and seven times verbally. That seems a little condescending, as if the audience doesn't the product's name. I've also found the man's near constant hand motions to be pretty distracting as well.
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