Spat with Rogers leaves Canadian Apple stores without iPhones - Page 5

Now that explains everything. By the way, I gave a list of links that came from independent users, not from carriers or their employees. Of course they could have lied as some may be doing here.

Sorry for trying to wake you from dreamland. Please don't respond.

Nah, I will respond.

Who is living in a dreamland by asking for proof of usage on an device no one can use yet? But then, as you have proven yourself, it really doesn't matter. Some people will use numbers based on real world number, such as average web page size and their own current data needs. You instead use Rogers and other carriers 'information'. You will only accept info from either the carriers or from iPhone users, whose data is not relevant. Like I said before...Brilliant.

The Rogers rep did say to keep an eye on their site for announcements. So far, I don't see it.

I had planned on adding the $30 Data Plan to my existing family/night/weekend plan which starts at 6PM.

It's on the Rogers site here:

http://your.rogers.com/investorrelat...s_wireless.asp

It's not on the plan page yet, but first link on the above page confirms the 6 gig plan.

This has to beg the question, why would you care? You have been very busy posting, telling us all that the announced iPhone packages were reasonable and that it was so very unlikely that anyone would need more than a few hundred MB per month? Why be such a hypocrite and even look at the promo packages, if they are beyond your needs? Just go with the iPhone plans you were so vigorously defending. Or were you just full of shit?

Because the UK Apple Store says so:
http://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/buy/

Notice that the Apple Retail Store is nowhere on this page.

This is consistent *with every other market* Apple has retail stores in, except the U.S.

No, it does not say it will not be available at the Apple Stores, just that it will be available at O2 and CarPhoneWarehouse. That is not the same as saying it will not be available. As Abster2Core said, he called a UK store and all they could say is that they did not know.

No problem, easy to forget. I've done a bunch of web app performance tuning, so it's the first thing I think of.


Fair enough, I've stayed away from smart phones to this point because the ones I saw sucked. Glad they are getting better.

I would be amazed if they had no browser cache. Even a small disk cache of 50MB will have a major impact on browse speed. The iPhone makers will be keenly aware of the benefits of caching, I just can't see them going without. They may have limited or no memory cache as RAM may be more of a bottleneck with the iPhone (as is often the case for mobile devices) but with at least 8GB of disk, there is plenty available for caching.

Very helpful, thanks for that link. So there is a memory cache, but apparently no disk cache. Perhaps they did that to extend battery life. Hopefully Apple has improved safari caching on the 3G.

Could you direct me to my comments that stated as you so kindly did? Until then, perhaps it is you that needs to have their ass wiped.

So, again, why be such a hypocrite. Go with the iPhone plans or even the $30/300MB you were so fond of. If you don't like what you wrote now, maybe you should not wrote it then. Backtracking just makes your arguments look that much weaker. You were quick to swallow whatever Rogers told you to explain their high prices. Willing to argue their points for them, in these various threads. Have the balls to stand up to your convictions.

Edit:Also, if you are asking to wipe my ass, feel free. Perhaps you could use some of those Rogers talking point sheets or Wireless industry propaganda rags you love so much.

Abster2core: yeah, figured as much....

so you never did let us know, which of the original iPhones packages are you signing up for. Or are you doing the $30/300MB? Because you said that is all the data you would ever need. Right? And of course we have your comments from O2 and Rogers and ATT stating that average use never got above, what, 100MB with the original iPhone? And they are reliable sources, right?

Come on you asked me to show you your quotes 7 hours ago. Your reading comprehension should have allowed you to digest the small sampling of your info I dug up. You ask for the info, but I guess you didn't like what it showed.

Rogers have made such a big mistake, with $$$ in their eyes, you have now incurred the wrath of over 60,000 customers or would-have-been customers. The Canadian carriers are all greedy, Rogers with their mistake with the iPhone launch, and now Bell and Telus wanting to charge 15 cents per incoming text message! Their actions of these carriers retards the telecommunication advancement in Canada. I am so disgusted with the lot of them that even if the iPhone in Canada goes down to a reasonable rate, I will not get one here. Instead, I will go get an unlocked iPhone in Asia, and pop in a SIM card and use it instead. So I don't get the continuous data, it's a price I am willing to take to not be imprisoned with long sentences with these loser service providers!

have only just found this, but thought I would offer my experience, basically I have a corporate plan with Rogers, 250 mins a month, free evenings/weekends caller display and visual voicemail plus 2500 texts, all for 35 bucks, so far, so normal. I wanted an iphone, but not to download data, I want an ipod/phone more than a browser, so I called Rogers and asked to do an upgrade, and despite trying to warn me off it, I got an iphone, with no data plan whatsoever...I will still be able to use Wi-Fi hot spots like Starbucks for nothing which will suite me just fine.The data plans are not obligatory, but Rogers are implying they are, all that remains is for me to sell my previous phone to recoup some of the outlay on the iphone, anyone want to buy a Nokia 8800 ?

Hi there !!
The story here is that Canada will be the only country in the world that does not have people lined up outside of the Apple store. That in itself is news. For every Apple store lineup story that is out there, there will be a mention, be it on CNN, BBC or others that the only country in the world that is not is Canada. T And they will mention the high data rates as the cause. Looks like Rogers is going to be on Bloomberg and CNN business this week, alot. They are probably fielding calls right now. This is a PR nightmare for Rogers, They won't see it as such, being Rogers, they're arrogant pricks, negative billing anyone, but they are going to feel the heat for a while.
I don't think it will change them one bit. Until the government steps in. It's a Canadian thing. There will be a commission set up.

I don't think Rogers will care that Apple didn't sell them at their stores. Although there were some here that said that because Apple did not mention it on their website, they never had plans to sell it at their own stores, this was obviously wrong. They did sell it in other countries, where they also did not mention it on their website.

While not selling it here may have been a reaction to Rogers policies, it isn't one that was likely very effective. Rogers still managed to sell out. This was mainly because they improved upon their pathetic initial iPhone plans (I mean, who would actually consider those?). If not stocking them at the Apple store helped pressure Rogers, great, but I think the rumored redirection of stock away from Rogers was likely more effective. Rogers knew they would sell out and if replenishments were slow, they would lose a lot of potential customers, especially because Bell and Telus announced their HTCTouch and Instinct devices and plans at the exact time the rumors of stock redirection was happening. Rogers was in a position where they might lose a lot of people to three year contract with Bell and Telus if they were told they would have to wait weeks or months for the iPhone to come back in stock.

So long as Apple now keeps them in stock and as long as they keep the $30/6GB option around, they will continue to make their sales and Apple selling it their store or not does not impact them in any significant way.

so was told by Rogers that phone would be delivered in 3-5 days, rang back on the 4th day to enquire for a tracking number, only to be told that my order is 'unfulfilled' (how apt...) and may now take 10 days ?? While I realize there are many more troublesome things in the world, why do they quote 3-5 days when they don't have a clue about stock levels ?? They have started charging me for the visual voicemail package, despite not having a device to use it on, go Rogers !!