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post #41 of 88
Isn't the data plan for data over the cell network?
Wi-Fi doesn't count in this, correct?
post #42 of 88
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Isn't the data plan for data over the cell network?
Wi-Fi doesn't count in this, correct?

I don't think the can or will charge you for wifi data, except for using their wifi HotSpots.

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post #43 of 88
Tulkas,

Do you care to explain your signature quote?

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post #44 of 88
I was wondering if anyone has looked into buying an unlocked iPhone 3G and using their existing Rogers SIM card with it, and signing up for the $30 promo data plan.

I came across this link from timtechs.ca but I have never heard of this company.

Here is the response I got back from timtechs:

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Thank you for your enquiry.

Please note we are unable to give an estimated listing date or price on the iPhone 3G.

Apple is releasing the model on July 11 so we would expect to be able to offer the device shortly thereafter.

It will be unlocked to work on all GSM carriers worldwide including ATT, TMobile, Fido and Rogers.

Please take the price listed on the website as a guide only we will be unable to give an exact price until the model is officially available. We recommend if you are interested in this model that you click the green 'add to wishlist' button on the model page and you will be notified when stock becomes available: http://www.timtechs.com/apple_iphone...ed_prd113.html
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post #45 of 88
I think the only way I can afford this is to go voice-only.

My only question would be: is it possible to disable the "data" feature so I can only access via WiFi to avoid data charges?
post #46 of 88
Like this changes anything.

It's still a massive ripoff, and I still don't know anyone planning to buy an iPhone in Canada.

Fuck you Rogers.
post #47 of 88
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Originally Posted by Stormchild View Post

Like this changes anything.

It's still a massive ripoff, and I still don't know anyone planning to buy an iPhone in Canada.

Fuck you Rogers.

Do other Canadian carriers offer 6GB for $30? I think some people are just never satisfied or need something to complain about.
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post #48 of 88
Congrats to our northern neighbors! Although it looks like they are just trying to pacify the early adopters and then revert back to the original plans after August 31st --- thus screwing all the "normal" people who don't know any better. My god, Rogers is so SLEAZY! If they really were interested in providing better value, they would have just tripled their existing plans data allotment!
post #49 of 88
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Originally Posted by techno View Post

Tulkas,

Do you care to explain your signature quote?

Just something someone posted here. I thought others should be aware of his feelings, but took it out of my posts.

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post #50 of 88
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Originally Posted by winterspan View Post

Congrats to our northern neighbors! Although it looks like they are just trying to pacify the early adopters and then revert back to the original plans after August 31st --- thus screwing all the "normal" people who don't know any better. My god, Rogers is so SLEAZY! If they really were interested in providing better value, they would have just tripled their existing plans data allotment!

Based on the data charges you posted yesterday, this will certainly push people to the iPhone, though I'd try to buy one outright before signing up for a 36-month plan.
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post #51 of 88
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Originally Posted by jabohn View Post

I think the only way I can afford this is to go voice-only.

My only question would be: is it possible to disable the "data" feature so I can only access via WiFi to avoid data charges?

I've been told that they can disable it on their end..

--->

As for the new rate it isn't clear at all like all their offers; what's on the table...

Is this offer just for a month and then you get sucked back to normal rates ?

Or is just available to the early scukers..

Looks like it doesn't include visual voice mail +8$
Looks like it doesn't include text message +8$
Looks like it doesn't include call display +8$

Looks to me like a PR fast one...

An acceptable plan would be:

60$
500 minutes anytime in Canada
Unlimited data
all included (voice mail, call display etc.)
One year contract
Everyone eligible


Simple and effective
post #52 of 88
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Do other Canadian carriers offer 6GB for $30? I think some people are just never satisfied or need something to complain about.

The 6GB for $30 is a pretty good deal as I think only an extremely heavy user would go over that. What steams me is that it looks like I have to sign a 3 year contract to get it. What if I want to use an unlocked 2.5G iphone or another smartphone I already own? Do I have to sign my life away to Rogers for 3 years to get that data package? I thought the whole point of a contract was to make you pay off their subsidy on the handset itself? What if you have a handset already?

That and the fact they nickel and dime us for all the other little features and also tack on the bogus SAF and 911 fee.
post #53 of 88
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Originally Posted by RonK View Post

The 6GB for $30 is a pretty good deal as I think only an extremely heavy user would go over that. What steams me is that it looks like I have to sign a 3 year contract to get it. What if I want to use an unlocked 2.5G iphone or another smartphone I already own? Do I have to sign my life away to Rogers for 3 years to get that data package? I thought the whole point of a contract was to make you pay off their subsidy on the handset itself? What if you have a handset already?

Rogers policy is that if you make any change to your current price plan mid-stream, you are automatically committing to a contract extension of up to 3 years. The variety of plans available to choose from may vary depending on the duration of the contract extension you're willing to commit to. It seems to me that this $30/6GB data plan will just be one of those things you can only get if you commit to a 3-year extension.
post #54 of 88
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Originally Posted by Megawatt View Post

I just called Rogers customer service, and the rep was unaware of the new $30 data plan promotion, so it hasn't quite filtered through their lines of communication. I'm a current Rogers wireless customer, and have 1 year left on my current contract.

The current upgrade prices for me are:

8GB iPhone - $299 (after $50 mail in rebate)
16GB iPhone - $399 (after $50 mail in rebate)

I called Rogers. No information at customer service, got sent up to customer relations.
What I learned is:

First: It is impossible for me to upgrade to an iPhone AT ANY PRICE! I will have to wait until the end of the year to become eligible. No exceptions! (I replaced a broken phone late last year and reset the clock in spite of assurances that this would not be the case). Customer Relations told me that "this is a good thing because the iPhone is new and might break." Guess they've never used Apple products and don't know about warrantees?

Second: I can't add an iPhone data plan to my voice plan because it is a family plan and you can't have an iPhone on a family plan. So its not as simple as "add a $30 data plan to your existing voice plan."

I've been with Rogers for >10 years, some months my cell bill looks like my mortgage payment, but still no customer service - just customer relations.
post #55 of 88
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Originally Posted by lfmorrison View Post

Rogers policy is that if you make any change to your current price plan mid-stream, you are automatically committing to a contract extension of up to 3 years. The variety of plans available to choose from may vary depending on the duration of the contract extension you're willing to commit to. It seems to me that this $30/6GB data plan will just be one of those things you can only get if you commit to a 3-year extension.

Okay, but that does not really address my point. They charge $X for service per month which presumably covers their costs to provide said service plus some profit (or alot of profit in some cases). Now with most phones there is a no-contract price which I assume covers the full cost of the phone and then there are subsidized prices depending on the length of the contract. The longer you sign for, the more they will profit from the accumulated monthly fees and the more they will subsidize the phone as they can recoup the larger subsidy over time and presumably still also make a profit via the monthly fees? Correct me if I am wrong so far.

So, if I have my own phone that Rogers has not subsidized then why can I not sign up for the same service on a month to month basis? They will still make a profit on the monthly charges and they have not had to subsidize my handset. Why can I not have the same plan without a long term contract if I provide my own handset?
post #56 of 88
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Why can I not have the same plan without a long term contract if I provide my own handset?

post #57 of 88
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Originally Posted by RonK View Post

Okay, but that does not really address my point. They charge $X for service per month which presumably covers their costs to provide said service plus some profit (or alot of profit in some cases). Now with most phones there is a no-contract price which I assume covers the full cost of the phone and then there are subsidized prices depending on the length of the contract. The longer you sign for, the more they will profit from the accumulated monthly fees and the more they will subsidize the phone as they can recoup the larger subsidy over time and presumably still also make a profit via the monthly fees? Correct me if I am wrong so far.

So, if I have my own phone that Rogers has not subsidized then why can I not sign up for the same service on a month to month basis? They will still make a profit on the monthly charges and they have not had to subsidize my handset. Why can I not have the same plan without a long term contract if I provide my own handset?

Rogers simply doesn't offer any attractive month-to-month data plans except for the $7 WAP service. Why? I guess the only answer I can give you is, they don't want to.

It appears that Rogers accounts for repayment of any phone subsidies exclusively through the income it receives from its voice plans. Any data plans you enroll in are just icing on the cake for them.

Rogers does have month-to-month voice plans available in both prepaid and postpaid formats, but they don't push them aggressively, probably because they prefer the security of a long-term guaranteed revenue stream. None of their most attractive deals (like $20 MY5) are available unless you commit to a multi-year contract.
post #58 of 88
I'm still disgusted with Robers (whoops, I meant Rogers... or not). I moved to Canada from (Western) Europe...Canada's great, but Rogers is a real shame to this country.

In France/Belgium, here's what you ALWAYS get for free:

-Called ID (Rogers has to go ahead and turn that thing OFF on the account, it doesn't cost a thing).
-Unlimited incoming calls (as long as you're not roaming of course)
-Unlimited incoming texts (with the Belgian carriers, you can be roaming to the US and incoming texts are still free...which makes sense because users can't say no to incoming texts like they can for calls).

This means that your cheap-ass teenager with a pay-as-you-go SIM card, with 0 euros left on it, can still receive texts, receive calls (e.g parents can always call their kids and find out where they are, etc.)... and EVERYBODY gets caller id.

And of course no System Access Fee.

When THAT is put in action in Canada (heck even the US), then and only then will I consider North America on par with other developed countries in terms of wireless!
post #59 of 88
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Originally Posted by lordeagle View Post

I'm still disgusted with Robers (whoops, I meant Rogers... or not). I moved to Canada from (Western) Europe...Canada's great, but Rogers is a real shame to this country.

In France/Belgium, here's what you ALWAYS get for free:

-Called ID (Rogers has to go ahead and turn that thing OFF on the account, it doesn't cost a thing).
-Unlimited incoming calls (as long as you're not roaming of course)
-Unlimited incoming texts (with the Belgian carriers, you can be roaming to the US and incoming texts are still free...which makes sense because users can't say no to incoming texts like they can for calls).

The later two are N. American standards.
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post #60 of 88
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

The later two are N. American standards.

To be completely transparent, Bell and Telus only just changed their policy and started charging for incoming texts earlier this month. So for the Canadian marketplace, it is Bell and Telus that are charting unprecedented waters here.

Rogers currently offers unlimited incoming mobile-to-mobile texts from any domestic network, on every account in good standing, and hasn't announced any plans to change that policy.

Regarding caller ID, with Rogers you don't pay any extra for it on any of their PAYG plans - it's one of those paradoxical situations where Rogers seems to actually be punishing their customers for signing up for a contract.
post #61 of 88
I *was* referring to the news that Bell & Telus will start to charge for incoming texts.

The "journalist" from CTV (who just asked for comment from Bell/Telus but didn't have an actual conversation with them) asked why that was and their answer was oh soo dumb: "basically because people are texting more than before". That's a fact, but since people sending the texts are paying for them already... I don't get their point. Plus you'd think after years of their system in place, that texting would be a commodity on the network. I mean common, texting doesn't need QoS, texting isn't affected by latency or jitter or w.e else that's important for voice.

@solipsism: that may be true with plans but not PAYG. Last time I was in the US, I had a prepaid ATT card, and every time any of my friends (in the US) would phone me up, it'd use my credit (just as much as if I'd made the call myself). When I ran out of credit, I couldn't receive calls anymore....
post #62 of 88
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Originally Posted by lordeagle View Post

@solipsism: that may be true with plans but not PAYG. Last time I was in the US, I had a prepaid ATT card, and every time any of my friends (in the US) would phone me up, it'd use my credit (just as much as if I'd made the call myself). When I ran out of credit, I couldn't receive calls anymore....

Sorry I wasn't clearer. I wasn't stating that the Belguim/French cellular policy was a N. American standard, but Rogers charging for incoming is the standard among most carriers in N. America. Though from what I've read on these forums there are EU carriers that are adopting a policy for charging for incoming and outgoing; you do get more minutes but the carrier can't be abused by a one minute outgoing call to a landline and an excessively long incoming call back.
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post #63 of 88
Still 3 year lock-in. Still $6.95 'System Access Fee' charged. Still not buying.

Nice try Rogers, but no sale.
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post #64 of 88
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Originally Posted by Frank777 View Post

Still 3 year lock-in. Still $6.95 'System Access Fee' charged. Still not buying.

Nice try Rogers, but no sale.

Not even a nice try. Why is anybody even considering this as some kind of concession? For a few months you get a deal on one of the additional packages, then for the remaining 33 months or so ... snafu.
post #65 of 88
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

Not even a nice try. Why is anybody even considering this as some kind of concession? For a few months you get a deal on one of the additional packages, then for the remaining 33 months or so ... snafu.

I was reading it as a contract lock in at that data rate if you signup with that timeframe, not only 3 months at that rate.
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post #66 of 88
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Do other Canadian carriers offer 6GB for $30? I think some people are just never satisfied or need something to complain about.

Depends on the phone. You can get unlimited data from Telus and Bell for $30 on basically any phone that is not a Blackberry. This includes the new Samsung Instinct and LG Dare.

Rogers cannot even come close to the rates that Telus customers can get, especially since Telus lets customers change their plan at any time, and lets customers choose legacy/regional/retention plans even in mid-contract.
post #67 of 88
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I was reading it as a contract lock in at that data rate if you signup with that timeframe, not only 3 months at that rate.

Solipsism, I believe you are right. I can't find info to back up any claim on Rogers' site, but most reports suggest you are right. I read somewhere that the promotion was limited for 20 days, then three months. I took it to mean you only got the promotion for those days / months, which is common in terms of free local calls promotions.
post #68 of 88
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Originally Posted by ktappe View Post

...the equivalent of union busting--they are trying to break the resolve of petition signers to not get phones. Due to the limited supply of phones and the expiration date on this deal, only a few early buyers (scabs) will get the reward, and the masses will still get stuck with the original, petitioned plans. ...

Hoffa lives.

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Customers attending the launch day events at any of those stores will be treated to a free early bird breakfast and have a chance to win prizes, Rogers and Fido said.

I'm flippin' YOU the bird Rogers.


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post #69 of 88
Now, what the hell does "in-market" mean in terms of the plans? I like my current voice plan, I'm 7 1/2 months into a 3 year contract. I don't mind signing a new 3 year contract- so even if my current voice plan doesn't exist anymore, can I still keep it for another 3 years and change my data plan to the 30 dollar offer? If so, sign me up. Telus has lost me forever because of charging me for ringtones and songs I never downloaded and refused to reimburse me. (FYI- broke my contract with them and they stopped trying to get me for the cancellation charge after a little talk with my wife the lawyer). Telus and Bell are flogging a CDMA network that is headed nowhere. I'll pay the access fee- at least Rogers has actually built a 3G network. And 50 cents for a 911 fee? Hmm- I'll suck it up and scrape that little bit of change off my coffee table.
If I can keep my voice plan, sign a new 3 year and get myself an iPhone for 200 bucks a 6 gb a month for 30 beans, I'll pony up- just don't expect me to eat any free breakfast- the Rogers employees will all be spitting into the eggs, methinks.
post #70 of 88
So I talked to FIDO to enquire about my voice and data iPhone options as I live in an area where I am frequently outside of my 'home' area = long distance voice charges (I CANNOT believe we do not have a National cell phone plan like in the US...arrrrg).

So, FIDO they said that data rates are .05 cents per Kilobyte when you are outside your home 'area'!!!! WHAT???? This is impossible as the data rates would be astronomical @.05/KB.

Has anyone been charged for data (on any smartphone) outside their 'home' area?
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

Thanks for messing up the thread with a Rogers advertisement. Perhaps you work for them?

On the internet however, there is this thing called a "link" that you might consider using instead.

If you don't like it, don't read it! I included it provide the facts of what rogers is has said for those who argue and make unfactual comments without bothering to click a link! Cheers to you for being one to click a link!
post #72 of 88
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Originally Posted by jabohn View Post

I think the only way I can afford this is to go voice-only.

My only question would be: is it possible to disable the "data" feature so I can only access via WiFi to avoid data charges?

I hear it is possible by disabling 3G AND deleting edge settings, but thats only rumour.
post #73 of 88
If they tell me that, since I've replaced 2 phones in the last year and half, I guarantee I'll be upto a supervisor, and if they REFUSE, I'll inform them that effective immediately I'm cancelling my $175 a month account of 8 years.
post #74 of 88
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you are probably right. It is probably a response to the media attention, the complaints and to the bell and telus offers. But, i would suggest there is a strong possibility it will become a permanent offer and they introduced it as a promo as a face saving measure. They might have thought it would look bad to completely scrap the original plans right away.


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Originally Posted by Tulkas View Post

You are probably right. It is probably a response to the media attention, the complaints and to the Bell and Telus offers. But, I would suggest there is a strong possibility it will become a permanent offer and they introduced it as a promo as a face saving measure. They might have thought it would look bad to completely scrap the original plans right away.

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LOL First two posts dedicated to finding out the riddle of the Sphinx. Judging by the grammar of the first post he probably doesn't understand the signature and is on the verge of making accusations of epithets.
post #77 of 88
Boynton said existing price plans for the iPhone will go back into effect Sept. 1.

What were trying to do is satisfy a very small group of people, the early adopters, he said. When those customers are done, were back to our basic user.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/457180
post #78 of 88
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Originally Posted by lfmorrison View Post

No. It means you can use ANY of Rogers' existing voice plans, and add the 6 GB data plan for $30 per month.

To use my current plan as an example, that would be:
$25 - voice
$11 - conventional voicemail + Caller ID value package
$6.95 - system access fee (really should be rolled into the "voice" category above, but Rogers doesn't swing that way)
$0.50 - 911 fee
$0.43 - Nova Scotia government 911 fee
$30 - 6 GB data
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73.88 per month. Will not include visual voicemail, which will probably only exist in conjunction with the iPhone value plans.
Also does not include 13% sales tax.

I just talked to a Rogers rep and he indicated that the new $30 fee is ONLY for data. That is, no texting and no VV. The real kicker is that no voice plan at $30 or below is eligible either, so the voice plans start at $40 for 250 min. So here is the pricing if you don't want to use one of the exisiting voice & data packages:

$40 for (250 min.)
$30 for data (6 GB)
$8 for visual voicemail
$15 for caller ID & 2,500 texts
$6.95 for SAF
$0.50 for 911
+GST

Total of $105.47/month for 36 months to use the iPhone as intended without using the existing voice & data packages with Rogers.

Not a deal at all.
post #79 of 88
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Originally Posted by A Miller View Post

I just talked to a Rogers rep and he indicated that the new $30 fee is ONLY for data. That is, no texting and no VV. The real kicker is that no voice plan at $30 or below is eligible either, so the voice plans start at $40 for 250 min. So here is the pricing if you don't want to use one of the exisiting voice & data packages:

$40 for (250 min.)
$30 for data (6 GB)
$8 for visual voicemail
$15 for caller ID & 2,500 texts
$6.95 for SAF
$0.50 for 911
+GST

Total of $105.47/month for 36 months to use the iPhone as intended without using the existing voice & data packages with Rogers.

Not a deal at all.

I thin kit is a good deal for existing customers, in their upgrade window that have a good, inclusive voice package that is $35. I happen to not be in any of those criteria. I am not in an upgrade window and have a good package, but it is $30/month. To 'upgrade' to a $35 package to be eligible, I would lose features since mine is an older plan that included things like call display, voice mail etc. I had hoped to just add $30 for the data and consider the $8 for VVM later. But, as with the original iPhone plans they had, it looks like I will loose feaures by switch plans and my plans will increase in cost.

Guess I may not be getting one for a while.

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post #80 of 88
What ever happened to that $20.00 unlimited plan that was announced?
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